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ipwn
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compulsive threatment
#22389492 - 10/16/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was place in compulsive threatment against my will,doctor says i have 'psychosis schizo of type paranoid' and that i must do threatment which is an injection per month of an antipsychotic/neuroleptic(100mg) and 2 pills,one to reverse side effects of injection other is a light benzo.. i've tried to put myself free from the forced threatment (as i feel very bad with it)by writting letters to institutions and by speaking to public lawyer.. i've also did some research on the internet about antipsychotics/neuroleptics using some keywords on search engines and i did find lots of bad things about neuroleptics. by what i read CBD(cannabidiol) can be used to threat psychosis,but in my country they canot prescribe CBD yet,AFAIK there 3 types of CBD meds called: - epidiolex - bedrolite - bediol none of them can be prescrived in my country. it can also be used weed with high % of CBD.
one day while i was browsing the web i found some articles related with neuroleptics about torture https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient i did find an interesting thing called ICCPR(International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights ) and there 2 important articles there that could help me:
9)Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention. No one shall be deprived of his liberty except on such grounds and in accordance with procedure as are established by law. 7)No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.
so i tough what the judge/doctors/police did was against these two articles and left a note on court arguing that these 2 articles from ICCPR not fulfilled but i didnt obtain reply.
the problem is if i miss a consult and/or do not take the injection/meds they intern me ia psychiatric hospital,when they do this usually police gets my home with a warrant which says im a danger to myself and goods which is lie.
so my question would be,how do i get rid of the court process of compulsive threatment? thx
Edited by ipwn (10/16/15 06:54 PM)
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22389701 - 10/16/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude I don't think any of are qualified to answer this. We simply don't know enough about you and your situation. We might be doing great harm if we try to help you. I'm sorry.
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ipwn
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HardTrippin said: Dude I don't think any of are qualified to answer this. We simply don't know enough about you and your situation. We might be doing great harm if we try to help you. I'm sorry.
there is no need of qualification to answer, just some knowledge,i tried to explain the situation resumed but can develop more about the situations if is need.. i don't think help from this forum is an harm,perhaps other members have heard of similar stories.. i can answer any question/doubt if needed.
Edited by ipwn (10/16/15 06:14 PM)
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22392453 - 10/17/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22394127 - 10/17/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You certainly are asking some difficult questions. Sounds like there was an insanity plea on some charge and you were court ordered to see a psychiatrist?
I can see why you would be distrustful of this situation and perhaps you need a professional to consult through your own avenues? Do you have the money or insurance to talk about these things with a psychiatrist that isn't a public worker? Can you choose a different psychiatrist that you trust through this program? Have you thought about taking these ideas you've presented here to your public lawyer, or whatever?
I guess I'm a little ignorant to your situation and don't know if I read it correctly.
To be 100% honest, the medicine might be a beneficial thing that you just have to give time to work. You are probably questioning all this because of your paranoid tendencies and may be better off devoting your time to understanding the situation (research the drugs and your condition), rather than fighting it. Knowledge is power and that's the only way to gain a broader perspective and enact change in your world.
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Giftofdeprivation said: You certainly are asking some difficult questions. Sounds like there was an insanity plea on some charge and you were court ordered to see a psychiatrist?
yes,according to what doctors say and i've already change doctors 2-3 times but they use my history from past doctors and they did not remove me from "compulsive threatment"
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I can see why you would be distrustful of this situation and perhaps you need a professional to consult through your own avenues? Do you have the money or insurance to talk about these things with a psychiatrist that isn't a public worker? Can you choose a different psychiatrist that you trust through this program? Have you thought about taking these ideas you've presented here to your public lawyer, or whatever?
yes i did try to contact other "professionals" 2 times,the first talked with me 10minutes finish the consultation and refuse to help,the other said that private system is better but have more costs.(sometimes they know who is the psychiatric that is with my case and they know each other,so they dont want to give different opinions)
I guess I'm a little ignorant to your situation and don't know if I read it correctly.
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To be 100% honest, the medicine might be a beneficial thing that you just have to give time to work. You are probably questioning all this because of your paranoid tendencies and may be better off devoting your time to understanding the situation (research the drugs and your condition), rather than fighting it. Knowledge is power and that's the only way to gain a broader perspective and enact change in your world.
i've already researched the neuroleptics they give to me and i can describe some effects which are:
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induce psychosis, pathological changes, damage (physical/mental), learning disorders/cognition, atrophies, dyskinesia, akathisia, opistono, vomiting, nausea, dizziness, changes in sleep, appetite and metabolism, lack of libido, muscle aches, abdominal pain, involuntary movements , emotional disorders, premature death, etc., and the people who are behind this fraud such "Dr.s" or "pr.drs" are fraudulent/quacks whose main objective is financial ..
basically they r giving me chemical weapons that are "synthetic toxic chemicals" aka neuroleptics/antipsychotics to threat a disease i dont have,even if i had they should be using CBD to threat it..
so,any ideas to solve this situation?
Edited by ipwn (10/17/15 07:49 PM)
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22395567 - 10/17/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, I can't solve much. I only have a BA in psych and am posting on a drug forum to try and help people with their anxiety/depression.
I don't even really know much about the system that you feel is abusing you and I highly doubt anyone here could really understand. I think you need to post on a more active, psych related forum (instead of this mushroom forum). You'll reach a better demographic that way.
I've never advocated drug treatment, but I do know that it's all about getting you to function so you can live your life and survive. I doubt that they are consciously trying to poison you. Either they are ignorant, or they probably feel that your symptoms are so severe, that these drugs are the best way, despite their cost on your health. I don't think they want money, I think they want immediate results, regardless the cost.
I have no intention to invalidate your experiences, nor how you feel about this, but you must understand that anxiety to this extreme can cause some severe paranoia and some paranoid delusions. You must understand that your own mind may betray you at times. At this point, you kinda need to trust those around you more,
Some questions that come to mind for me: Do you have family or close friends to help you right now? Are you employed? How well can you take care of yourself on your own? What changes have you noticed since this compulsory treatment?
Btw, I've done a lot of research into CBD and it isn't well researched in general. I know you want an answer to ease your suffering, but CBD is short term relief for a small amount of anxiety. Paranoid delusions are a bit too much for CBD to be effective. In fact, for all humanity knows at this point, it could make it worse. You can talk to your doctor about introducing that into the cocktail they have you on (by procuring it yourself), but who knows how it'd react.
Seriously, try and trust those around you more, if possible. Unless you can take care of yourself on your own, you probably need others to help you through this tough time.
I sincerely wish you the best. Keep posting if you want to talk.
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Giftofdeprivation said: Some questions that come to mind for me: Do you have family or close friends to help you right now? Are you employed? How well can you take care of yourself on your own? What changes have you noticed since this compulsory treatment?
family does not help much as they agree with doctor,some friends help me yes,im not employed but i do some works using computers and get some bitcoins,i can take care of me well on my own.I've noticed lots of changes like i told on my previous post about neuroleptics effects.. it seems that you agree with their stupid diagnostic and i've already told i have no delusions/paranoia/psychosis,im just trying to get rid of the 'compulsive threatment' against my will. as for CBD,it can be used as anti-psychotic,take a look at this graph
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#22396992 - 10/18/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear about the forced aspect of the treatment. What happened leading up the diagnosis? I'd like to know more.
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22397778 - 10/18/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't say I agree with their diagnostic, I really know nothing about it, nor you to make those claims. I was merely spouting off some of the aspects of those conditions. I didn't realize that you were in contest with those diagnoses. Why are you looking into CBD if you do not agree with their diagnoses? Also, that graph does not equate to countless replications of testing with high sample sizes and meticulous statistical analysis of the effects within a broad demographic. The testing is just not there and people do not know enough about CBD to prescribe it for what doctors feel is severe anxieties.
I'd too like to learn more about what lead up to your compulsory treatment and the diagnostic you find egregious. I don't think there's much we can do in general, other than talk about it in a safe place. Like I said solutions are kinda beyond us, but if you want to talk about it and hear advice from laymen, lay it on us! What happened.
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lovelaughlibs said: Sorry to hear about the forced aspect of the treatment. What happened leading up the diagnosis? I'd like to know more.
it's a complex story,i dont want to reveal many details here,all i can say its that my private psichiatric start by tolding me to take a neuroleptic and i take it and did get many adverse/extra-piramidal/side effects,after that he told me to take again and i refused,then my mother told me i could go home only if i take the neuroleptic and i said:"no!",then i decided to go out and take LSD-25,i take a small portion 1/2 of a stamp,the next day i tried to return to home but my mother told again that i could only go if i take the neuroleptic or go with her at hospital to see observed by doctors,i decided go hospital to speak with doctors,and they said they got a court order to intern me,after that they flood me with neuroleptics(injection and pills),then i was released but they continued to administer this toxic poisons..
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Giftofdeprivation said: I didn't say I agree with their diagnostic, I really know nothing about it, nor you to make those claims. I was merely spouting off some of the aspects of those conditions. I didn't realize that you were in contest with those diagnoses. Why are you looking into CBD if you do not agree with their diagnoses? Also, that graph does not equate to countless replications of testing with high sample sizes and meticulous statistical analysis of the effects within a broad demographic. The testing is just not there and people do not know enough about CBD to prescribe it for what doctors feel is severe anxieties.
I'd too like to learn more about what lead up to your compulsory treatment and the diagnostic you find egregious. I don't think there's much we can do in general, other than talk about it in a safe place. Like I said solutions are kinda beyond us, but if you want to talk about it and hear advice from laymen, lay it on us! What happened.
i look into CBD because if i had this 'psychosis' they say i have i would prefer to take it as is natural and does not harm,i also think is better for other problems with problems the CBD.
i think that my situation could be solved with a private lawyer but i dont have money to afford one,what should i do?
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22401048 - 10/19/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey man, I'm currently on a community treatment order in Australia, sounds like a very similar position to you - 400mg monthly of Abilify neuroleptic.
Definitely has to be one of the worst things to happen to me to date. Has completely destroyed all happiness, health and wellbeing I once had and left me a dull, drugged up zombie.
By cooperating with my doctor I was able to get a dose reduction to 300mg, but last week his decision was overridden by someone I had never met and I've been forced to take the max dose again. Its criminal what they're doing to us.
My CTO is for 6 months, expires in december - how long is yours for? They're renewing mine in November with the aim to cancel it in March 2016 - a total of 1 years injection.
Have done extensive research on the topic with not much luck, still can't find a way off this shit.
Most people say it's best not to argue, just comply, hopefully it won't be forever. I'm most worried about the damage its doing, and if I'll ever be the person I once was again.
Stay strong, hope you find a way out, will keep you updated if I do.
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ZombieMode]
#22402802 - 10/19/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ZombieMode said: Hey man, I'm currently on a community treatment order in Australia, sounds like a very similar position to you - 400mg monthly of Abilify neuroleptic.
Definitely has to be one of the worst things to happen to me to date. Has completely destroyed all happiness, health and wellbeing I once had and left me a dull, drugged up zombie.
By cooperating with my doctor I was able to get a dose reduction to 300mg, but last week his decision was overridden by someone I had never met and I've been forced to take the max dose again. Its criminal what they're doing to us.
My CTO is for 6 months, expires in december - how long is yours for? They're renewing mine in November with the aim to cancel it in March 2016 - a total of 1 years injection.
Have done extensive research on the topic with not much luck, still can't find a way off this shit.
Most people say it's best not to argue, just comply, hopefully it won't be forever. I'm most worried about the damage its doing, and if I'll ever be the person I once was again.
Stay strong, hope you find a way out, will keep you updated if I do.
hey man,u didnt show them this? 9)Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention. No one shall be deprived of his liberty except on such grounds and in accordance with procedure as are established by law. 7)No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.
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Declaration of Human Rights for Medical Access to Cannabis and Cannabinoids
According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the United Nations in 1948:
"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person" (Article 3).
"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control" (Article 25, Paragraph 1).
Whereas this Declaration applies to everyone and all people, whereas many doctors are banned by legal requirements from treating their patients with cannabis-based medicines and whereas many people cannot afford access to cannabis-based drugs we thus declare that:
1. Every medical doctor has the right to treat his or her patients with cannabinoids and cannabis products according to the rules of good medical care. 2. Every patient has the right to access cannabis and cannabinoids for medical treatment supervised by a medical doctor, regardless of social status, standard of living or financial means.
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Re: compulsive threatment [Re: ipwn]
#22473031 - 11/03/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've seen 2 other psychiatrists in the private sector who believe I was wrongly diagnosed.
Not sure which country you are in, but in mine it seems a lot easier to get off meds if you can swap to a private psychiatrist rather than the community doctors.
Hope you're well
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