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opendoors
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Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again?
#22389484 - 10/16/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done shrooms three times to date and the first and most recent times I had a bad trip (the most recent one ended with me sobbing and begging my best friend to murder me, the first time was less intense but I had taken less). The time in the middle was pure happiness and total confidence but that was a very low dosage and I would hardly even consider it a "trip". Now I know the first time I had a bad trip because of internal guilt about my drug use (I was still living with my parents at the time and I thought they would be disappointed or mad at me because I had always been a "good child" and shrooms was the first substance other than marijuana I had ever used, these feelings have gone away since moving out) and so that's not what I'm worried about. My second bad trip (third trip) was out of control, and I had definetly made the wrong decision to take them before going out to a resturant with friends (one friend with me had taken them as well). I was super uncomfortable with the situation. After we left I was still just super fucked up I even threw up once. I was very very confused, during my peak I had forgotten what substance I had even taken, it was very scary and the reason i started to freak out is because I was overwhelmed.
Do you guys think I should try them again? And if I do try them again do you guys have any tips for how to have a good trip?
TLDR: Done shrooms 3 times, first trip was bad because i had internal guilt, second trip was a low dose but it was fun and happy, third trip was bad and i was confused to the point of not knowing what I was on. Should I give them another chance? What tips do you have for me?
Edited by opendoors (10/16/15 05:26 PM)
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Achillita
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: opendoors]
#22389520 - 10/16/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd say go for another trip. But make sure to take a lower dose. For some people, higher doses are just too much for them to handle.
If you're going to go out into public(and since you're not experienced) stick with the lower doses of 1-2 grams. 2.5 grams is what I'd consider a trip that is strong and psychedelic, but mostly easily controllable.
It's all about starting low and working your way up, and being in the right setting.
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geffer
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: Achillita]
#22389592 - 10/16/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely try it in a different setting such as you or your friend's house. Going to a restaurant of all places while tripping especially with friends who aren't tripping would give most people an unpleasant experience.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: Achillita]
#22389610 - 10/16/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I'd say go for another trip. But make sure to take a lower dose. For some people, higher doses are just too much for them to handle.
If you're going to go out into public(and since you're not experienced) stick with the lower doses of 1-2 grams. 2.5 grams is what I'd consider a trip that is strong and psychedelic, but mostly easily controllable.
It's all about starting low and working your way up, and being in the right setting.
what achillita said. I've had quite a few bad trips myself OP, I thought I might have to quit too. Now I'm a huge fan of microdosing. Even half a gram can be quite interesting. Probably a good way to get used to existing in that realm without freaking out.
And definitely avoid impulse dosing and dosing in public. Take much more care with your setting as it is quite important. Once I was having a really bad time in a public setting, went home and the rest of the trip was totally smooth and enjoyable.
Since you asked your friend to kill you I'd recommend you always have a trip sitter until you're more comfortable/experienced.
At the same time: unpleasant trips are not a waste, they can be more educational than fun trips. Learning how to cope with a "bad trip" is an important skill in this hobby. (and a good life skill too )
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: opendoors]
#22389772 - 10/16/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are asking the question, I think you already know the answer
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cvh
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22392192 - 10/17/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try to understand why you had a bad trip.
Are there things wrong in your life? Are you unhappy or even depressed? Or is it just the setting? Try to deal with these things first.
If you have a troubled mind, tripping is a very BAD IDEA. And NO you shouldn't do it until you are mentally stable. Do it when you're content and happy in life in a secure and private setting.
To me a bad trip is the result off underlying life issues or bad setting. Psychedelics enlarge life problems, many people (like me) use psychedelics to become a better person and find solutions for problems. Self-healing and reflection.
Like you feeling guilty for drugs use while living with your parents is not a bad trip but a realisation, the shrooms will teach you to fix that situation and become a better person.
Edited by cvh (10/17/15 08:06 AM)
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: cvh]
#22392501 - 10/17/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sometimes the best thing you can do is take a break from psychedelics and focus on getting your life where you want it to be.
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: opendoors]
#22392895 - 10/17/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you having bad trips usually you're not listening to the truth. Resistance is futile. Face your shadow man
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In order to understand the Shadow, it is important to understand a little bit of psychology. Carl Jung, one of the fathers of current psychology, was actually a student of the occult. His teachings closely parallel the teachings of the Huna in Hawaii on the three selves. His concept says that the aspects of the human psyche are named the Ego;
The Shadow (everything in the psyche apart from the conscious Ego). The Anima (a man's buried feminine side). The Animus (a woman's buried masculine side). The Personal Unconscious. The Collective Unconscious. The Persona (the cloak around the Ego). The Self (The centre and ultimate foundation of our psychic being).
The greater part of the psyche is unconscious, out of the reach of our conscious Ego, but it strongly influences the Ego’s behaviour without our realizing it. Unconscious is also connected to the collective conscious (an individual outcrop of it, so to speak) and it often knows better what our real needs are than the Ego does. The Ego, on the other hand, possesses gifts which the unconscious lacks; the ability to analyse and categorize incoming data, to think by logical steps, and to communicate with the Ego by the precise and subtle means of speech. When communication between the Unconscious and the Ego is faulty, conflicts emerge, leading to all kinds of problems, such as tension, neurosis, psychosis, schizophrenia, and nervous breakdowns. What is needed, obviously, is greatly improved communication between the conscious Ego and the Unconscious. The Ego must become aware of the fact that the Unconscious has messages for it, then the Ego must learn how to interpret those messages, which the unconscious can only express in symbols. The Unconscious is all too eager to communicate. Obviously, the whole content of the Unconscious can never be made directly available to the Ego, but a great deal of it can, enough to remove all major conflicts and to enrich significantly the Ego’s range of effectiveness, both by increasing the amount and variety of incoming data on which it can act, and by teaching it the lesson that it is not the only, or even the most important, function of the total psyche. The more the Ego learns this lesson, and acts on it, the closer it comes to activating the central self and handing over control to it. The work of the Shaman is to integrate conflicting aspects of the psyche with each other, and the whole of the Cosmic Psyche, and to develop the power and the self knowledge to enable the shaman to achieve results that are beyond the abilities of the undeveloped, un-self-aware psyche. Integrating conflicting aspects of the human psyche is the basis of all character development. It releases and channels those potentially limitless psychic powers which are inherent in all of us.
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The Shadow is the entity created in our psyche when we attempt to separate good from evil. It is literally the embodiment of all the impulses and qualities we have thrust into the unconscious because the Ego finds them unacceptable. It is all that we are that we feel we should not be; sexual, angry, hostile, vulnerable, masochistic, self-hating, guilty, weak, etc. For men, showing compassion and emotion may be included, if these things are not acceptable to express in your family or culture. Social ideas, such as stereotypes about physical appearance, life roles of men and women, and sexual and racial prejudices reside here. Shadow also includes positive traits that you may have denied, such as power, justice, sexuality and creativity, as well as interest in and desire to practice shamanism, paganism, magick, etc. Anything you, your family, or society (consensus reality) deems as ‘forbidden’ or ‘sinful’ may be found in your Shadow Self. These things are not ‘evil’, they simply are not perceived as being ‘acceptable’; again by ‘consensus reality’. Each time we allow our thoughts to dwell upon strong, negative feelings, we add to the strength of our Shadow Self. In its mildest aspect, it is that part of us that we are uncomfortable accepting and hope that no one else sees. In its most radical aspect, it becomes Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, where two totally separate aspects and personalities share a single biological body, each oblivious to the other, but each having their outlet into the physical realm. Shadow Self has also been called the Guardian of the Threshold. It stands in the threshold gate between the Subconscious and the Ego, refusing us passage until we have looked it in the face and acknowledged our own essential humanness. Some of the Archetypes of Gods and Goddesses associated with the Underworld (Shadow Self) are Hel, Hecate, Hades, Janus (a really good example of the Guardian), Persephone, Rhea, Cronus, Isis, Anubis, and the Crone. This may not be a complete list of all Gods and Goddesses associated with the Underworld, but it should give you a start, if you are interested in further study. No shaman can deny the existence of the Shadow self. This being is very much alive and active in the Otherworld realms. The shaman will encounter the Shadow self and its sly opposition when journeying, especially if the journey is for soul retrieval, healing, or problem solving. The shaman cannot attack the Shadow with the idea of destroying it, but rather must recognize it as a vital, important part of himself/herself. By confronting the Shadow self, the shaman learns to work with it, channelling its energy into shamanic ritual. A shaman knows that both so-called positive and negative energy are required for balance. A healthy person is a balanced person. By separating good from evil, we set up a conflict within ourselves that presages a potentially destructive downfall. Let me clarify here. To make moral judgments, ‘right’ or ‘wrong’, ‘good’ or ‘evil’, based on consensus reality within any social structure is absolutely necessary to maintain law and order. But when we internalize that judgment and reinforce it with strong negative emotion aimed at ourselves, the Shadow grows and becomes more difficult to maintain. Remember the Wiccan adage: ‘To light a candle is to cast a shadow’. Any time a polarity is over-lived, without having been balanced by its counterpart, an eruption of the counterpart can be expected. A ‘boogey man’ is created that begins to haunt us and make us fearful. Remember the old movie-line, ‘Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?’ The Shadow knows. It knows the deepest, darkest, ugliest secrets of your very existence. The more we separate ourselves from it, the more this ‘boogey man’ grows in darkness, size and power. No fear is stronger than the fear of our own Shadow, and nothing is more destructive than the defences we adopt to avoid confrontation.
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Edited by Eggtimer (10/17/15 11:26 AM)
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Re: Two of of three times tripping I had a bad trip. Should I trip again? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22392943 - 10/17/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice reading
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