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Peyote Road
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Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread"
#22388886 - 10/16/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am about to inoculate my jars and will hopefully be posting updates in the coming days about how this works and pics if it is successful. I have followed the method outlined by Donald Teeter in his book Herb of Immortality.
I am really excited about this, because if it works I will have a virtually unlimited supply of amanita muscaria mycellium (which is apparently psychoactive just like the mushroom), which I find far far superior to psilocybin.
Is this a shroomery first? I searched but could not find any threads on this.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
Edited by Peyote Road (10/16/15 03:19 PM)
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22388924 - 10/16/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no it's not a first. it's just that 99.9% of people think it's totally worthless, and you will be there soon too.
reason why you don't see everyone doing it. because the bogus websites that talk about that shit, doesn't really work like they say it does...
please prove wrong, will be waiting.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: bodhisatta]
#22388942 - 10/16/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can't imagine someone really thinking amanitas are superior to psilocybin.
I mean... seriously, the effects of psilocybin/psilocin are so damn scaleable it's ridiculous. Maybe you need to eat an ounce of cubes or something.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Inocuole]
#22389016 - 10/16/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believed that Amanita only grow symbiotically with trees.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Buckthorn]
#22389043 - 10/16/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: orison]
#22389061 - 10/16/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vegitative growth can happen independent of the symbiotic relationship. Idk how well or if it even does for this species tho
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: bodhisatta]
#22389109 - 10/16/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So peyote will you explain the tek in the more?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: bodhisatta]
#22389135 - 10/16/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's just a deliriant. The possibilities of delirium are endless. You could have a dangerously high fever or almost die of heat stroke if you want. It doesn't matter how you get to that state, it's the same basic nonsense experience each time. Just take a more readily available deliriant and save yourself some trouble.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: healing]
#22389149 - 10/16/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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healing said: It's just a deliriant. The possibilities of delirium are endless. You could have a dangerously high fever or almost die of heat stroke if you want. It doesn't matter how you get to that state, it's the same basic nonsense experience each time. Just take a more readily available deliriant and save yourself some trouble.
Mmm good ol devil's trumpets and nutmeg.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Inocuole]
#22389466 - 10/16/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Can't imagine someone really thinking amanitas are superior to psilocybin.
I mean... seriously, the effects of psilocybin/psilocin are so damn scaleable it's ridiculous. Maybe you need to eat an ounce of cubes or something.
Or maybe you need to eat an ounce of amanitas. I don't really want to eat an ounce of psilocybin at this point, I've tripped on mushrooms, cactus, LSD and DMT a good number of times and I find the come down from high doses and subsequent re-integration with reality to be a rather exhausting and tedious process with questionable long term benefits. Yeah, I know the peak on high doses is mindblowingly incredible but it ain't a free ride and I am more concerned with how I feel in the days and weeks following a trip than during.
I am more interested in the spiritual aspect of tripping and I find amanita far superior in that regard.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: oontribe]
#22389480 - 10/16/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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healing said: It's just a deliriant. The possibilities of delirium are endless. You could have a dangerously high fever or almost die of heat stroke if you want. It doesn't matter how you get to that state, it's the same basic nonsense experience each time. Just take a more readily available deliriant and save yourself some trouble.
I've experienced delerium from dangerously high fevers and don't find it at all similar to what I experience on amanita. With amanita there is the potential for great clarify, insight, and healing. Never experienced any of that from a fever, just confusion.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22389491 - 10/16/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmmmm... I take rather high doses oF cubensis, and I go to sleep afterwards (amazingly comfortably) and wake up feeling amazing...
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: oontribe]
#22389504 - 10/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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oontribe said: So peyote will you explain the tek in the more?
I would just download the book if you are interested: http://ambrosiasociety.org/download.html
If it works, I will write out a proper tek for you guys so you dont have to go thumbing through a book that is not particularly well organized if you ask me but just let me see if it works first.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22389673 - 10/16/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said:
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healing said: It's just a deliriant. The possibilities of delirium are endless. You could have a dangerously high fever or almost die of heat stroke if you want. It doesn't matter how you get to that state, it's the same basic nonsense experience each time. Just take a more readily available deliriant and save yourself some trouble.
I've experienced delerium from dangerously high fevers and don't find it at all similar to what I experience on amanita. With amanita there is the potential for great clarify, insight, and healing. ever experienced any of that from a fever, just confusion.
Delirium is by definition just a decline from your baseline cognitive function. You're basically turning off cognitive function. You're declining your ability to comprehend your reality.
It's just noise. You can't tell what's real and what's not. Even if you could you can't process what's happening. You can't even understand your own thoughts. You're left waking from one entirely random absurd dream into another for an eternity until your mind regains its ability to comprehend the passage of time. It's just luck. It's like forcing yourself to think in complete nonsense. Sometimes you're going to be in boat floating above the desert eating pineapple, sometimes you're going to have deep spiritual experiences. There's no predicting the specifics. They're infinite. But the same thing is going to happen every time, eternal waking meaningless nonsense dreams.
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Edited by healing (10/16/15 06:02 PM)
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22389680 - 10/16/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do it!
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: healing]
#22389688 - 10/16/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lmmfao...bro...you make that shit sound appealing af.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: LocN9ne]
#22389699 - 10/16/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Lmmfao...bro...you make that shit sound appealing af.
It's not enjoyable, but it definitely makes you question your perception of reality. Worth doing at least once in your life.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: healing]
#22389742 - 10/16/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They grow up here apparently... but I'm yet to come across even one... I need to go hunt some more...imma give em a shot.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: healing]
#22389758 - 10/16/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not enjoyable, but it definitely makes you question your perception of reality. Worth doing at least once in your life.
Oh but it's very enjoyable, ecstatic even.
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Edited by Peyote Road (10/16/15 06:21 PM)
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22389766 - 10/16/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess you realized "then where are the threads on this?" was a self-answering question. Gotta love the ability to ninja-edit for 5 minutes.
Might be up to you to make a thread on this. Gonna use this one or start a new one for the actual attempt?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Inocuole]
#22389886 - 10/16/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I found Amanita Muscaria var. Guessowii - I pealed the skin off the cap, dried it, and smoked it.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Buckthorn]
#22389966 - 10/16/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cherubim said: When I found Amanita Muscaria var. Guessowii - I pealed the skin off the cap, dried it, and smoked it.
I can't help but notice that's where your story ended.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Inocuole]
#22392075 - 10/17/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're right. How were you able to notice that?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Buckthorn]
#22393063 - 10/17/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, nothing came after the part where you smoked it, and to me, it seems like that's where the details would start picking up. I'm no storyteller though.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Inocuole]
#22393118 - 10/17/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what are your plans with your "endless supply of psychoactive mycelium" do you take this shit on the regular or just trying to kill off a few friends?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: tetherface]
#22393265 - 10/17/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Without the presence of living roots from a tree species proven to be the natural ectomycorrhizal associate of the fungi in question it will be almost impossible or probably impossible to germinate the spores.
There may be some methods that could work like watering potted trees of the right species with spore slurries(very hit and miss) also growing these tree species in tissue culture and then attempting to germinate spores in these cultures may be an interesting experiment, the spores of Amanita spp may have a dormancy period or may be only viable for a short period of time after dispersal. Taking tissue samples from fresh fruit bodies directly to tissue culture grown trees may also be an interesting experiment. I'm interested to see if anyone can provide any useful data regarding these experiments not only for Amanita but for other Ectomycorrhizal Fungi also. Good luck.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: tetherface]
#22400716 - 10/18/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update:
Forty eight hours after inoculation, one of my jars is beginning to show signs of colonization just like the tek said.
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tetherface said: So what are your plans with your "endless supply of psychoactive mycelium" do you take this shit on the regular or just trying to kill off a few friends?
I take it on the regular, that's why I want to grow. I was spending a fortune on dried amanitas. I consider amanita to be the supreme entheogen. Nothing else is as good.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22400763 - 10/18/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please post pics of the process, if you can. Also, in contrast to what healing said, do you have any methods you use before or during a trip on amanitas to control the trip to make it more pleasant? I remember you being very religious and having very religious experiences on amanitas. Do you pray during your experience?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Near Dylan]
#22400859 - 10/19/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do pray during the experiences but I don't use prayer to guide the experience the way I might with mescaline or psilocybin. For me, amanita is much more conductive to meditation than to prayer, or at least active/verbal prayer. It's more about silence and stillness, which could be considered prayer (according to adyashanti meditation is a form of prayer) but what I do is focus on/tune into the energy amanita provides me with and meditate beside it, trying to my match my vibration with its.
Another way to guide the experience which I have found, is listening to shamanic drumming which I discovered courtesy of John Scott, an Australian guy who had a life changing NDE after mistakening amanita for an edible mushroom and eating a huge dosage. You can find these healing drumming meditations in his videos section on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnscottartist/videos they are perfect for amanita just like the native american peyote healing music is perfect for mescaline. I also sometimes listen to his talks or read Jacob Boehme who was a Lutheran theologian and mystic who used aminita.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22401016 - 10/19/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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How will you be sure you have germinated Amanita spores and not a contaminant mold or other fungi?
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: inski]
#22401084 - 10/19/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think he didnt use spores!
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: inski]
#22402810 - 10/19/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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inski said: How will you be sure you have germinated Amanita spores and not a contaminant mold or other fungi?
because they dont grow as fast, im pretty sure what i have is amanita mycellium it has grown rapidly since last nigtt. i just need to watch for signs of contamination.
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: healing]
#22402907 - 10/19/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have only experienced 1 High dose Amanita trip. And it was absolutely fucking terrible.
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Peyote Road said:
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healing said: It's just a deliriant. The possibilities of delirium are endless. You could have a dangerously high fever or almost die of heat stroke if you want. It doesn't matter how you get to that state, it's the same basic nonsense experience each time. Just take a more readily available deliriant and save yourself some trouble.
I've experienced delerium from dangerously high fevers and don't find it at all similar to what I experience on amanita. With amanita there is the potential for great clarify, insight, and healing. ever experienced any of that from a fever, just confusion.
Delirium is by definition just a decline from your baseline cognitive function. You're basically turning off cognitive function. You're declining your ability to comprehend your reality.
It's just noise. You can't tell what's real and what's not. Even if you could you can't process what's happening. You can't even understand your own thoughts. You're left waking from one entirely random absurd dream into another for an eternity until your mind regains its ability to comprehend the passage of time. It's just luck. It's like forcing yourself to think in complete nonsense. Sometimes you're going to be in boat floating above the desert eating pineapple, sometimes you're going to have deep spiritual experiences. There's no predicting the specifics. They're infinite. But the same thing is going to happen every time, eternal waking meaningless nonsense dreams.
I ate 20g.
However, 8g (moderate dosage) is very euphoric, warm, beautiful/colorful. Happy!
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Re: Attempt at growing amanita muscaria mycellium on barley aka "The Living Bread" [Re: Peyote Road]
#22403050 - 10/19/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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inski said: How will you be sure you have germinated Amanita spores and not a contaminant mold or other fungi?
because they dont grow as fast, im pretty sure what i have is amanita mycellium it has grown rapidly since last nigtt. i just need to watch for signs of contamination.
Ok, good luck.
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