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B+ and Penis Envy - first time
    #22388738 - 10/16/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello again my inter-galatic friends. Two weeks ago i was in a amsterdam trip and bought some magic truffles [1st trip - lvl 1 and 2nd trip - lvl 2]. I never experienced psilocybin before and i was thinking that the truffles i bought maybe will be to weak or something. SO, i bought 2 100% mycelium - supa gro kits (B+ and Penis Envy). By the time i got home my gf made me a big surprise: she bought me a 100% mycelium B+ kit and a heating pad ! :bow2:

I started "growing" the 1st kits (supa b+ and PE) 5 days ago, i followed the kit instructions: cleaning the grow area, washing my hands with antibacterial soap, i used antibacterial gel, removed the casserole lid, put it in the filter bag and let them stay without opening for 3 days. Put them on the heating pad and tried rise the room temp from 18-19C to 22.5-23.5C. After this 3 days, i started doing some manual fae ( putting the bags near the open window ) and myst. Yesterday (day 4) the first pins appeared on the B+ kit. Today there were more.

Still not much action on the PE kit, but i read they "move" a little slower. The other B+ kit is too young ( 3 days old  :inlove3: ) to talk about it yet.

Now with the question : i had 2 pc fans and a digital timer that i want to use for FAE, is ok to put the fans ~30cm at direct air flow for 1 minute every 4H ? (6 times a day for 1 min )

Sorry for no pics but my camera quality really sucks :thumbdown:, so until i can get a better camera the pics are not relevant :confused:. (8 mpx with no focus ... )


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22388778 - 10/16/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

throw away the heating pad, they have no place in growing mushrooms.

if you're reading instructions that say to use a heating pad, your reading some old ass bullshit, or you have a grow kit :mad2:

fans and timers too :sad:

those kits would do better if you ditch the pad, the fan, the timer, and just put a plastic bag with some holes in it over the top.

grow kit instructions seem to be intentionally bad. it wouldn't hurt those con artists one bit to at least tell you how to get the most out of your insanely over priced kit.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22388884 - 10/16/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you bodhisatta very much for stopping by and gave me a bit of your time ! :cheers:



I used the pad cuz the room temp was very low, 18-19C. Ok, i listened to ur advice and removed the pad. I read here on forums about FAE and mysting, should i or  should't i use fans for fae ? I`m a bit confused :eek:


It's a promise that in my next ams trip i will buy some spores,  already got some verm and perlite :blush:


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22388901 - 10/16/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fans/fanning is not a replacement for fae... with a properly built fruiting chamber you will get all the fae you need.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22388902 - 10/16/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

sorry I probably come off as a dick(so I hear :lol:)
18C is on the cool end but you don't need any supplemental heat if you can maintain 18C. 20-21C is perfect, I would say at least 75% of my grows were done in the 18-19C range.  65-67F or so.

Passive FAE > active FAE. if you can have holes rather than a fan do it always.

monotubs sometimes people use a fan next to their tub, but the holes are stuffed with poly fiber so the fan just helps in some people circumstances.

Honestly to determine when you need to mist and if you need more FAE is something that comes with a few grows under your belt. you need the first hand experience and data your eyes give you to make those determinations. you can't just mist X times a day. you have to mist when it needs it and also the volume of mist needs to be correct. you don't want to soak it.

if it's got a dome or humidity tent over the top chances are you won't have to mist very often, you can just "bottom water" it every other day by placing the mycelium block in a tray of water for a few hours.

literally just pick it up and put it in the water and then put it back into it's fruiting thing. or pour water into the fruiting thing and pour it back out after an hour or two.

chances are the "fruting thing setup" they gave you is less optimal than it would be if you just put a plastic bag with some holes in it over the top.


it's hard to give advice for things like this to a total beginner because some things you just need to have done already to know what they're supposed to look like. if you keep the shroomery updated and with pictures(if you can manage) that will severely help out your chances of getting the most out of the kit.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22388906 - 10/16/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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fans and timers too :sad:




Okay I do use a timer for my lights, let's be fair now.  FANS on a timer, however, nope.  Well.... Actually. A fan across the room from the grows, pointing away from them, running 5 minutes out of an hour might be okay.  Maybe.

Fans do increase FAE though... it's just fanning that doesn't really help.  A ceiling fan being on in a grow room makes a huge difference.  Wouldn't really recommend it without a casing layer but that's not the same as it being pointless.

Bod has already sort of cleared that up since I typed all this but I'll leave it anyway.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: Inocuole]
    #22389392 - 10/16/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fans/fanning is not a replacement for fae... with a properly built fruiting chamber you will get all the fae you need.




Thanks for your advice LocN9ne :thumbup::cheers:




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sorry I probably come off as a dick(so I hear :lol:)
18C is on the cool end but you don't need any supplemental heat if you can maintain 18C. 20-21C is perfect, I would say at least 75% of my grows were done in the 18-19C range.  65-67F or so.






:grin: if u ware a dick perhaps you have not bothered to answer me.

Now that i fix the room heating source i can use the thermostat to set a fix temp for the whole room, as i read in older and newest threads the 75-80F, 23-26C is the best temp for pinning and fruiting (from what i understood, the pinning and fruiting stage is the same thing, i am right ?)



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chances are the "fruting thing setup" they gave you is less optimal than it would be if you just put a plastic bag with some holes in it over the top.


it's hard to give advice for things like this to a total beginner because some things you just need to have done already to know what they're supposed to look like. if you keep the shroomery updated and with pictures(if you can manage) that will severely help out your chances of getting the most out of the kit.




I try to get a camera as fast i can. Until then, all can say is that every hour appear more and more knots that turn into primordia. So far are 21 big primordia :bow2:

[offtopic]bodhisatta, what is the name of the pattern from your sign ?


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22389450 - 10/16/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's a geometric eye... I was fuckin with my daughters cheap ass protractor the other night.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22389456 - 10/16/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's lock9s image bit its some sacred geometry thing.

68-72f is great 72-75f is perfect 75+ isnt worth it.
20-21c range is great

Colder temps = slightly slower growth but thicker less hollow shrooms which most ppl prefer


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22389593 - 10/16/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LocN9ne sorry for mistake ! Last night u say ? Last night i had my 2nd trip  and this pattern was everywhere ! :eek:

@bodhisatta  Ok, i set the thermostat to 21.5C, to have great-perfect range  :hi:

The table where the kits are, it is relatively close to one of the radiator (water radiator). I had 2 radiators in room, the one that is close to kits is on 40% power and the other one is at the opposite side of room a 100% power.

would i need to stop the closest rad. ?


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fresh photos [Re: freshul]
    #22396729 - 10/18/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

B+ KIT 1 -DAY: 7





Penis Envy - DAY 7



B+ KIT 2 - DAY 5



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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22401319 - 10/19/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What do you guys say about the fruits and the casseroles ?

I noticed that too much water gathered at the bottom of [1]B+ tent bag, this means that i mist too much, so i made some holes in the corners of the bag to drain off  the excess water. I don`t want to wake up with mold there ..
I searched on the forum but did not find exactly when should i mist, if i leave the bag alone even after 24H is wet on the edges/borders ...

The [2]B+ kit it seems to be moving better then the first [1]B+ kit ..:bow2:

And the Penis Envy still do not give signs of pinning ...:sad: It does not look too dry ? :sad:


Any advice is well welcome :inlove3:


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22401379 - 10/19/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For these trays you want to lightly mist until you see a fine coating of water on the surface, the last few photos you linked look great. If its looking dry then mist, there isn't really a formula / set number of times to mist per day.

Not sure about the PE, haven't grown it yet.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: psilobob]
    #22403575 - 10/19/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi psilobob . Thank you for stopping by.

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For these trays you want to lightly mist until you see a fine coating of water on the surface




Were should i see the water coating ? On the mycelium and fruits or on the bag tent ?


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22407183 - 10/20/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

B+ KIT 1 - Day 9



Do they still grow up? I have seen that the biggest mushroom begins to detach the ventil .. :eek:

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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: Inocuole]
    #22407423 - 10/20/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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fans and timers too :sad:




Okay I do use a timer for my lights, let's be fair now.  FANS on a timer, however, nope.  Well.... Actually. A fan across the room from the grows, pointing away from them, running 5 minutes out of an hour might be okay.  Maybe.

Fans do increase FAE though... it's just fanning that doesn't really help.  A ceiling fan being on in a grow room makes a huge difference.  Wouldn't really recommend it without a casing layer but that's not the same as it being pointless.

Bod has already sort of cleared that up since I typed all this but I'll leave it anyway.





Hmmm...When I'm fruiting in the mono I have the fan running 24/7. It's a 6" fan situated above the tub on a shelf pointing at the opposite wall.  I'd rather put it on the timer with the lights instead of having it running all the time.  Good to know man.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22407441 - 10/20/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well 12 hours a day isn't really a good timetable for a fan, you'd need separate timers, at that point you're better off turning off the fan and just pulling out polyfill.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: Inocuole]
    #22407475 - 10/20/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well 12 hours a day isn't really a good timetable for a fan, you'd need separate timers, at that point you're better off turning off the fan and just pulling out polyfill.




Well my grow room is in a storage closet.  5x4 I would say.  There isn't air movement in there at all (Atleast with the door shut)
5minutes out of an hour huh?  I'm going to give no fan a try and see how things go that way.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: midnightmaraude] * 1
    #22407507 - 10/20/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That was a random estimate with consideration for a full sized room.  If you do this in a closet, call it your idea, not mine. :lol:


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22407511 - 10/20/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well my grow room is in a storage closet.  5x4 I would say.  There isn't air movement in there at all (Atleast with the door shut)
5minutes out of an hour huh?  I'm going to give no fan a try and see how things go that way.




In a closet is easy to make a passive air intake with  a tubing cooker hood. Theoretically you take the one end of the tube outside the physics will do the rest for you.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22408031 - 10/20/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you bodhisatta very much for stopping by and gave me a bit of your time ! :cheers:



I used the pad cuz the room temp was very low, 18-19C. Ok, i listened to ur advice and removed the pad. I read here on forums about FAE and mysting, should i or  should't i use fans for fae ? I`m a bit confused :eek:


It's a promise that in my next ams trip i will buy some spores,  already got some verm and perlite :blush:



theres no need to buy spores just take a few prints off of each kit you have and your golden....search for a good print to syringe tek I don't remember which one I use but there all basically the same:shrug: and the PE's probably wont print so you'll have to use sterile q tips and swab the gills from what ive read


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: tetherface]
    #22412217 - 10/21/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

B+ KIT 1 - DAY 10



More than likely today i will have the first flush harvest, i'm right, right? :inlove3::bow2::nyan:


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: freshul]
    #22412303 - 10/21/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nice man, congrats. Most likely tonight the veils will break and you can harvest.

Now you have the kit thing down make some prints and become self sufficient. Nothing beat doing it all yourself. You will learn and yield allot more.


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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: Th3Issu3]
    #22413083 - 10/21/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sooo, the final results are ... :sad:

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Just kiddin' !  :rockon:
:freewilly::freewilly::freewilly:
282.5g wet, without aborts :bow2: I'm very satisfied for the 1st flush !


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Spore Printing help [Re: freshul]
    #22414017 - 10/21/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If i already have harvested the foods, is too late to take the biggest mushroom a spore print ? :sad:
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Spore Printing Tek


Here is how I do spore prints. I am open for any advice.

The material you will need:

Scalpel
Push pins
Something to manipulate the mushrooms
Ethanol 95 %
Gloves
Cotton-woil
Bleach/Lysol/Some other disinfectant
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500 ml jars with lids


Step 1
Cut some aluminum foil pieces. My jars fit perfectly 12x6 cm pieces. The idea is to have a rectangle with one side x and the other 2x(twice as big).

The photos show every side being 7 cm, but it was too big and I had to modify it a bit.

Step 2
Fold the piece ion the middle. Here is how the result should look like.


Step 3
Put the ready piece in a jar and just put the lid, without closing it.


Step 4
Sterilize the jars for 1 hour at 200 degree Celsius in you oven. If you close the lids now, you might not be able to open them later, because when the jars cool down, negative pressure is created inside.


Step 5
While the jars cool down you should clean your work area and instruments with ethanol and spray with disinfectant. If you can do the following streps in a glove box. Find a mushrooms with a good form a pick it up, using clean gloves. Cut the cap and insert a push pin in it.

Step 6
Open the lid of the jars and insert the mushroom holding it by the pin as quickly as possible and close the lid.


Step 7
24 hours later remove the mushroom cap and you should have a spore print. Close it inside the jar and after that take it out of the jar and push the sides well.

The result:


Step 8
Put your spore print in you dehydrator for 24 hours if it has a desicant, or for longer if it doesn't. Then put it in a space bag and store it in a cool, dark, dry place, but not your freezer!!! Low temperatures are lethal for spores and most normal organisms.




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Re: B+ and Penis Envy - first time [Re: tetherface]
    #22414311 - 10/21/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you bodhisatta very much for stopping by and gave me a bit of your time ! :cheers:



I used the pad cuz the room temp was very low, 18-19C. Ok, i listened to ur advice and removed the pad. I read here on forums about FAE and mysting, should i or  should't i use fans for fae ? I`m a bit confused :eek:


It's a promise that in my next ams trip i will buy some spores,  already got some verm and perlite :blush:



theres no need to buy spores just take a few prints off of each kit you have and your golden....search for a good print to syringe tek I don't remember which one I use but there all basically the same:shrug: and the PE's probably wont print so you'll have to use sterile q tips and swab the gills from what ive read




Syringe with water works good on pe for me. All you have to do is find a shroom with a purple tint in its gills


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250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22425751 - 10/24/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is possible that of 250 grams wet to remain only with 12-13 grams cracker dry ? :sad:


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Re: 250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: freshul]
    #22425754 - 10/24/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is possible...but on average I would expect at least 19-20g.


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Re: 250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22425772 - 10/24/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the first flush is dried cracker dry and from 250 remained only 12-13 ...

20 grams wed took me into a level 2, that's mean i have to eat 1 - 1.2 gr cracker dry for the same experience ?  :confused:  :confused2:  :confused3:


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Re: 250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: freshul]
    #22425775 - 10/24/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Eat.


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Re: 250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: freshul]
    #22425776 - 10/24/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Idk man...I never weigh anything unless out of curiosity... I just go by the handful... best unit of measurement I've come across.


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Re: 250 wet to 12-13 cracker dry ? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22425790 - 10/24/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've gone down to like 7% dry weight, especially in the summer where a lot of misting is required they seem to come out wet.  Maybe genetics.  So for 250g --> 17g dry would be the minimum I've gotten.

Nicely done.  Don't sweat it if you can't get a PE sample.  B+ prints will do you fine, and if you ever want a PE swab, they're easy enough to get.

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Fans/fanning is not a replacement for fae... with a properly built fruiting chamber you will get all the fae you need.




Fans are not a replacement for FAE?  Fans are like pure FAE, just way too much in a small chamber.  Fans of some kind are responsible for FAE in many greenhouse designs.  Still, I agree with the general principle and would avise against fucking around with any stupid fan/mist chambers which are more apt to waterlog or speed dry whatever's in them than hit the perfect balance.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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B+ and Penis Envy - First Flush weights. - Lazy Dick update [Re: freshul]
    #22444391 - 10/28/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From 282.5g wet, ~50 was consumed fresh, i ended with ~19 dry from 1 kit.

The other kit, give me i think 330g wet, 31.2 dry.

The second flush is running ok, little cobweb:frown: i stopped his developing with a better attetion at FAE, no that as much pins, but seems are a little bigger then the first.

Lazy dick [Penis Envy] is starting to work again, every hour i can see more and more pins forming, the biggest pin is about 2mm. :sunny:

The room temp is constantly 21.5C and i use coolers to move the air in room after i air the room.


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