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Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions?
    #22386753 - 10/16/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Does this sound about right? Where does one go to learn about how the body/brain psychologically heals?


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22387296 - 10/16/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Try Stan Grof.

And I wouldn't overlook this reality:

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Negative Entities, or NEGS is an umbrella term in use that covers non-human energy beings with varying levels of intelligence that may deliberately attach themselves to humans. Some are merely mischievious, some just want a good energy feed, others are downright malevolent.

Astral Parasite is a term I use to describe the many forms of energy parasites that feed off the human energy field. Like physical parasites they aren't usually especially 'dark', or even very aware, but they are hungry! Think of them as psychic leeches.

These parasitical creatures are very common, but are unlikely to be noticed unless the host is sensitive, or they grow large or numerous. At this point the person's energy becomes compromised and they will most likely display some of the signs listed on the Signs and Symptoms page.




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Most people with unwanted energy attachments will have more than one of the following signs and symptoms:


    Your intuition telling you that all is not well
    Fatigue
    Headaches
    Cold or clammy patches in the aura
    Insomnia
    Bad dreams and nightmares
    Unexplained aches and pains
    Anxiety and fearfulness
    Depression
    Obsessive behaviour
    Self mutilation
    Eating Disorders
    Out of character behaviour, especially angry outbursts
    Lack of eye contact or a ‘haunted’ look in the eyes
    Drug addiction or alcoholism
    Suicidal thoughts or actual attempts



http://www.entity-removal.co.uk/What-are-Entities-.html


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #22387319 - 10/16/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You should check out a book called Spiritual Emergency: When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis.  Its a collection of work edited by Grof that shines some light on the psychological healing aspect of these troubling states.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #22387334 - 10/16/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From Amazon:
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From Spiritual Emergency to Healing and Rebirth

Increasing numbers of people involved in personal transformation are experiencing spiritual emergencies — crises when the process of growth and change becomes chaotic and overwhelming. Individuals experiencing such episodes may feel that their sense of identity is breaking down, that their old values no longer hold true, and that the very ground beneath their personal realities is radically shifting. In many cases, new realms of mystical and spiritual experience enter their lives suddenly and dramatically, resulting in fear and confusion. They may feel tremendous anxiety, have difficulty coping with their daily lives, jobs, and relationships, and may even fear for their own sanity.

Unfortunately, much of modern psychiatry has failed to distinguish these episodes from mental illness. As a result, transformational crises are often suppressed by routine psychiatric care, medication, and even institutionalization.

However, there is a new perspective developing among many mental health professionals and those studying spiritual development that views such crises as transformative breakthroughs that can hold tremendous potential for physical and emotional healing. When understood and treated in a supportive manner, spiritual emergencies can become gateways to higher levels of functioning and new ways of being.

In this book, foremost psychologists, psychiatrists, and spiritual teachers address the following questions: What is spiritual emergency? What is the relationship between spirituality, “madness,” and healing? What forms does spiritual emergency take? What are the pitfalls — and promises — of spiritual practice? How can people in spiritual emergency be assisted by family, friends, and professionals?

This groundbreaking work reveals that within the crisis of spiritual emergency lies the promise of spiritual emergence and renewal.




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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: FishOilTheKid] * 1
    #22387452 - 10/16/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
You should check out a book called Spiritual Emergency: When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis.  Its a collection of work edited by Grof that shines some light on the psychological healing aspect of these troubling states.





I have this book and would be willing to mail it to OP as a gift if he wants. :pm:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: yogabunny]
    #22387525 - 10/16/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

I mailed used copies to all of my family cause my original diagnosis was bipolar.  Completely allowed me to re-frame what I was made to believe about my own life by doctors and heavy anti psychotics.:peace:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #22389242 - 10/16/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there is this, as well; https://ttg1heal.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/thay/

and i know i already mentioned, not tryin' to over-mention, but tara brach; to me she is the best healer in the world; very close to it.

thay said once, 'don't shut yourself off from suffering in the world -- be in contact with it by all means, visits, images, etc; this helps wake us up to the reality of plight of the world,'

and he also said. . .

'freedom from suffering is a great happiness,' i think, as a golden-balm-cure for those who. . . well ya :sun:

:peace:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22389283 - 10/16/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The title of the thread perfectly describes what I seeked professional help for about half a year ago.

In that time I also read Spiritual Emergency. An entertaining read but it wasn't a life changer in any way for me.

The therapy I am still in is pretty good though. Haptonomy. A form of mindfulness meditation aided by touch.

It has made me much more aware of my patterns of suppressing emotions, and also where these patterns originated from.

Changing them is a process but becoming aware of them is certainly the first step.

I now feel like it's not so much the actual storage of old emotions that's problematic and the cause of depression. The cause seems to be the torment of the self by repeating to suppress current emotions because of an inability to feel them.

Suppressing emotions was a survival mechanism and somewhere along the lines it became the norm. It being the norm is the problem. Not the old stuff that was suppressed. That's long gone.

I can really recommend haptonomy, it's been very helpful.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22389387 - 10/16/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

that sounds very spot on to me, golden; ya touch has always been very interesting to me. 

a simple touch, can be so beneficial because it releases a lot of endorphins, and when this is done out of love, not fear, it can be quite healing.

then especially, if one is very deeply healed, one's ability to uplift, be kind to, heal and strengthen others increases a lot;

when i was younger, i had anxiety having to do with my mouth; it would be almost impossible for me to close it. . .


sound strange?  it was like, i wished to close it more than anything, yet i was basically totally unable to -- the muscles would simply not function in that fashion. . .


so needless to say, i spent plenty of time playing guitar alone, climbing trees, writing and reading, smoking sacred herb up in a tree, or waaaaaaaaaaay out in natuer. . . like, down the train tracks, over the huge bridge ( of tracks ) the river below, and then off

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the left side :sun:

hehe


and - also why i only took a little bit :smile: hehe. . .



annnnyway -- this is all to mention -- later on i --- oh


and,

if you heal from a lot of anxiety - like, fully. . . the beautiful thing is-- then you have deep, deep peace. . . like -- it's just beautiful and lovely.  wonderful.  gratefulness.  love.

peace.  we all get there.



so - to mention -- i took aikido during this time, and loved a girl who was -- older -- i always fell in love, haha, okay,


and i mentioned to my friend the composer -- i am learning, being relaxed is where it's at - basically that's everything; and he's like, 'Yep.' :sun:  ( he was in that class )


Paul Ely Smith.


so then - ( oh and i wrote he was in that class just now )



then i spent a lot of my life learning how to be relaxed. . . and - fortunately also, had perfect health since birth; so that was wonderful :sun: hehe. . .


an i worked thru everything w/ only once in a while partaking of sacred herb - never even one xanax, until yeeeeeeeeears later. ..  then only one :sun: hehe


so - relaxed was a part of my life. . . and -  so, touch, can be so healing --- as i learned,



also, it is very useful & worthwhile to massage one's feet, calf & ankles; simply. . . a nice practice. .



i haven't done, a long time -- every good thing, is a good thing;  ' like a water fill'd up drop by drop, similarly the virtuous man fills himself ever with more good ' -dhammapada


an - i kno i'm a round'a'bout, so then i learned, open face is good. . . relaxed face -- 



also - besides feet & calf, which i practiced my whole life -- arm muscles, hands, fingers -- to practice is worthwhile; very healthful.



eventually, i learned --- the great sort of secret, for me anyway, was -- all of these ya, but then --


to do the same, with jaw, neck, cheek muscles, whole area --- this was so good.  is so good.


and -- also learned, a relaxed face. . . is a smiling face, pretty much, hahaha. . .



anyway, there you have it. :sun:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22389538 - 10/16/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome feedback!

I battle depression every single day. I have a loss for words of how much I enjoy seeing a flower open but lately I have been just lost. I seek help and the waiting game starts for the therapy to actually work.

Medicine is important to me but right now I'm on probation and can't consume cannabis. How much I do enjoy this healing plant. I've been relying on pharmaceuticals but there is no real method to take those in my opinion.

I did some damage to my brain by doing 'designer drugs'. Now that I have been off them for close to five years I've been able to notice healing in the brain where it matters. Ex.  Touching, self awareness, and the guiding force are all noticeable.

Basically what I'm dealing with right now is lost time and sulky emotions.

I know what is waiting for me but I just need a human being to tell it to and most of the humans around me have there own problems that there dealing with.


OP as far as books I have no suggestions besides your inner child subjects. For me I'm really not ready to delve in that dubious layer of emotions.

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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22393984 - 10/17/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's not so much that you are "bottling things up", that analogy, so often used, is egregious. It's more like you are choosing not to engage your emotions and are consciously learning to tune them out by routinizing that behavior.

I deal with depression and as a result, have a pretty flat affect often times, find myself indifferent to near everything often, and just all around don't give a shit.

Emotions aren't a bad thing when you are an emotional creature. They are hardwired into your physiology, so try to embrace them.

Idk about all the new age hippy stuff others are posting, I have a BA in psychology and have thought about this stuff a lot, with a plethora of mainstream and esoteric readings in the field under my belt. So I'd say take a course or two on psychology, or start reading some of the greatest contributors and branch out. Starting with the nutcases and working your way in is one approach, though.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22395811 - 10/17/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ah yes, Stan Grof. I have read The Adventure of Self-Discovery. It certainly veers into the esoteric here and there. Doesn't really offer much in the way of therapy techniques except hyperventilation and LSD. :sun:

So I choose not to feel? Sounds about right... I think I've been a bit of a control freak of myself and my emotions since my first psychotic episode. It was so terrifying to experience such extremes of emotions that since then I've been kinda voluntarily numb. Also very negative, but at least some of the negativity is perceived persecutions in public due to the schizoaffective. I think, though, if life really kicks you in the balls like that (psychotic episode) life loses its appeal to some extent.

Feeling good today, sort of worked a few things out - first of all, that I'm not really right about a lot of negative ideas. Second, that I over think and should slow the hell down.

Also, I need to go outside. :sun:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22397609 - 10/18/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Outside is good :thumbup: - especially in Aus, I'd be outdoors all the time with one of those:



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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22398181 - 10/18/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Being outside is good medicine.

How I miss the woods.

I'm no longer in the suburbs.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22398369 - 10/18/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was getting a little persecutory myself in my last post, so I apologize to everyone for that.

The best thing for you is probably to speak to a psychologist, or counselor of some sort, if you have insurance or some spare cash to throw at this. Otherwise, you are probably going to have to do some pointed research into some specific treatment options for schizoaffective disorder, or perhaps even PTSD for the psychotic break and just see what you can do on your own :shrug: it's better to be in the hands of a professional though.

You already know of some of your goals right now, just by knowing your behavioral patterns as expressed by these labels. For psychosis, you really do need to avoid stress and being highly emotional. This can work counterintuitively, because of the issues with numbing your emotions outright, like we discussed. It's more about finding the right places to feel the right things to the right degree, right?

I've always had an appreciation for mindfulness based therapies (there's a lot of good research out there supporting the various styles) because of their simplicity in objectives; namely distracting yourself from the unproductive trains of thought and through this practice breaking those habits, which cause the behavioral irregularities. A lot of depression and anxiety comes from ruminating on unhealthy thoughts, or misappropriated emotions. You already say you are critical of yourself, so you would have no difficulty turning to introspection and analyzing the basis of your thought processes. Ask yourself questions like:
How do I feel right now?
Is there a common theme to my thought processes? Am I ruminating?
Are my thoughts majorly positive, or negative right now?

Don't be hard on yourself, just notice these things. If you start viewing them as maladaptive, your mind will naturally drop the weird thoughts without you focusing too much on punishing those thoughts (which is counterproductive).

Anyway, this is a very basic introduction into the world of mindfulness based therapies. It's been a while since I wrote my dissertation on it, so you'll have to choose some that you find practical for your situation, then either seek out a professional to guide you, or see what you can do on your own.

If you are ever interested in sharing your experiences, or need help with current issues, we aren't professionals, but we can read and are here to help how we can :smile:


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes] * 1
    #22398379 - 10/18/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Self help is wonderful but I'll never ever regret going to a therapist for help.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: Convikt Kelly]
    #22411037 - 10/20/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Storing negative emotions deep within your subconscious is really unhealthy. It is better to accept your emotions and feelings rather than to ignore them. Face them head on and find a way within yourself to overcome them.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22428180 - 10/24/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LSA, via Heavenly blue, ten seeds a day, for 2 weeks. This, compounded by ripe serotonin receptors, via fluoxetine, yielded to me an extremely powerful journey.
Information: The subconscious is emotional energy. It's way, way, deeper than most dare dream. I saw the most effective route is to make the subconscious manifest. Each and every person I interacted with began to cry. Cry hard. It is by far the best way to improve quality of being.


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: Seedowl]
    #22440406 - 10/27/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:laugh:

Thanks for the replies, a lot of variation between us.

I just started clozapine about 6 days ago, and this being hard of myself stuff seems partly to be induced by the crappy state of my brain and its neurotransmitters.

Not entirely though. Will have to set aside time to analyse my thoughts...


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22447566 - 10/29/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm glad that you are getting some help but please keep in mind that meds are only temporary. You don't want to spend the next decade on some meds and not

remember any of it because of them. Doctors are so quick to prescribe but don't know where to start without them. I hope that you feel better and best of luck!


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Re: Depressive episodes due to not choosing to feel "stored up" negative emotions? [Re: circastes]
    #22447790 - 10/29/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just started clozapine about 6 days ago




What do you get out of the clozapine?  I heard you post about it helping you in the past so I got a script for it and tried it for a while not too long ago.  It just felt like another mind numbing, confusing med that makes one feel more insane and unstable.  At least it did for me.  And I know that we are all different and would respond differently but really how does it make you feel with your current mental circumstances?


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