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Psilosoulful

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Inocuole]
#22426126 - 10/24/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So is it necessary to wait till you see pins popping up to actually introduce the tub into fruiting conditions? Will this result in a stronger flush?
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Inocuole]
#22426132 - 10/24/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's not a lot of point in putting your tub into fruiting conditions and effectively dehydrating your substrate if it's not ready to pin. OFC that's on the grower to know, but I don't think there's many genetics that would be pinning under a week after spawning, though I always case and haven't tried.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22426133 - 10/24/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, and maybe. It helps prevent some moisture loss.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Inocuole]
#22426168 - 10/24/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think consolidating till knots start forming on the surface, is the best indication that the tub wants to switch over to fruiting mode. I'll give that a try next time. I have a bad habit of fruiting my tubs too early.
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22426251 - 10/24/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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we don't consolidate bulk subs because they are low-nutrition and don't need the extra time, unlike a highly nutritious substrate like brf.
when a tub is 100%, its ready for fruiting conditions. there is no waiting for pins or knots. by the time pins and knots are forming, you are going to wish you had given them much more FAE for a more even pinset. forcing your tub to pin under non-fruiting conditions would definitely be disadvantageous to the pinset.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Munchauzen]
#22426261 - 10/24/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up Munchauzen, that makes a lot of sense.
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insanemike

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22426288 - 10/24/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: insanemike]
#22426328 - 10/24/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting read.. I always assumed bottom holes had to be taped up at the time of spawning, but those results prove otherwise! This makes fruiting monotubs a whole lot easier!! 
Only thing that wasn't mentioned was if the top holes should be stuffed as well or just taped over when spawning. I would think you would want to have them taped, to keep those co2 levels up. Dialing them in with poly after the sub is fully colonized is probably the best avenue to take.
Either way, I will be trying this out with my next tubs!
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insanemike

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22426464 - 10/24/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Medium stuffed top and bottom holes at time of spawning.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: insanemike]
#22426574 - 10/24/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks! 
So I guess we can say that taping up a monotub is outdated information now?
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Munchauzen]
#22427274 - 10/24/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: we don't consolidate bulk subs because they are low-nutrition and don't need the extra time, unlike a highly nutritious substrate like brf.
when a tub is 100%, its ready for fruiting conditions. there is no waiting for pins or knots. by the time pins and knots are forming, you are going to wish you had given them much more FAE for a more even pinset. forcing your tub to pin under non-fruiting conditions would definitely be disadvantageous to the pinset.
Didn't Muda say he exclusively did this with his tubs, at one point?
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omni420916



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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Inocuole]
#22432954 - 10/25/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey so i have few questions about lighting up my tent, could i just get 2 shop lights and run them vertical in each corner? i plan on stacking my tubs till i get a shelf for my tent, or just keep them stacked. thats how i have them right now also is there such thing as too much light during fruiting phase?
and my last question about fruiting, when i start fruiting inside my tent people say to run a fan inside your room but not directly onto the tubs, since im using a 4x4 room,. could i just run a duct fan into my tent exhaust port to circulate the room instead of adding a fan inside the tent? does anyone understand what im referring to? if not., then ill probably have to set it all up then snap a pic to show you all. again thanks for replies ill hit yall up soon.
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: omni420916]
#22433713 - 10/25/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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omni420916 said: hey so i have few questions about lighting up my tent, could i just get 2 shop lights and run them vertical in each corner?
Yea, that'll work, just make sure they're 6500K daylight bulbs.
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omni420916 said: i plan on stacking my tubs till i get a shelf for my tent, or just keep them stacked. thats how i have them right now
Ditch the tent, it's unnecessary. Monotubs create their own humid environment, you just have to dial it in correctly with polyfill, and they're pretty much set and forget. 
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omni420916 said: also is there such thing as too much light during fruiting phase?
As long as it's on a 12/12 schedule and it is not too close to the tubs (which would heat up the substrate and cause aborting, growth of contams, dry sub, etc.), then you should be good!
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omni420916 said: and my last question about fruiting, when i start fruiting inside my tent people say to run a fan inside your room but not directly onto the tubs, since im using a 4x4 room,. could i just run a duct fan into my tent exhaust port to circulate the room instead of adding a fan inside the tent? does anyone understand what im referring to? if not., then ill probably have to set it all up then snap a pic to show you all. again thanks for replies ill hit yall up soon.
I'd keep the fan at the opposite corner of the room pointing against the wall on the lowest setting. This way you can be sure there isn't stale air in your grow room and your tubs will not dry out.
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Kalistis


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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22434254 - 10/25/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is synthetic lighting necessary? The area where I keep my tubs has good indirect sunlight through windows.
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Kalistis]
#22434257 - 10/25/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Artificial lighting can be beneficial for those without good natural sunlight. One thing to watch with sunlight is that the chamber doesn't heat up too much, that will open the door for trich and bacteria. Artificial lighting on a 12/12 is pretty simple and easy to manage for many. Especially basement and closet grows.
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Kalistis


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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22434408 - 10/26/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The tubs stay nice and cool but my house is bright! There are essentially wall to wall windows. I had to buy black out curtain for my bedroom just to sleep at night. The ambient lighting drive me nuts.
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omni420916



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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22440669 - 10/27/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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appreciate all those answers, only reason im using a tent is because im sharing this room with a cloning/mother room for .. tomatoes 
ill post a picture of my setup once lights kick on., once i do if you could let me know some changes then thatll be great, i ended up using a can-fan as an exhaust fan and an inline duct 4" fan as intake, the room is ac'd so the interior tent is on-point for fruiting temps. i guess at this point is my lightning. im using a hydro farms t5ho fixture and now im not sure how to place it knowing heat could harm the tubs. the fixture does not give off a lot of heat. but i can feel it about a foot around the fixture. so how much light do my tubs actually need? could someone post a picture of minimal light i would need on the "casing layer" sorry for the long rant.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: first time grow,. need advice [Re: omni420916]
#22441313 - 10/27/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've gotten some pretty damn good results from indirect light from a 4500K bulb. It's possible yield is increased, but I've certainly never had any problems with pinset.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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