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 crazycanadian
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 1 week and no cultivation! help! 
#2238592 - 01/13/04 07:56 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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It has been 1 week since I incoculated my jars and there is no sign of any growth in any of them. I was wondering is there was something I could do or if they are not recoverable.
Here is what I did:
I soaked some wild bird seed in water for just over 24 hours. I then strained it really well and let it dry for like 30-45 minutes. I then put it in my half pint jars with a little dry vermiculite on top. I screwed on the top with tin foil under it. I then pressure cooked all the jars at 15psi for about 90 minutes. After 24 hours I inoculated all of them with 1cc in each jar. I was sure to heat up the needle and wipe it down with alcohol. I then put duct tape over the holes and placed them in a dark warm enviroment (70-75).
The jars seem to not be too moist inside for what I can see. I have opened one up and put some water in to see if that is the case. If that one messes up I dont care because as they are now they all seem to be a failure. Any help on this situation would be greatly apprecited. Thank you.
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Granola
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2238607 - 01/13/04 08:11 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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given your temperature it may take a little longer, 82-85 F is ideal but if they were contaminated you would know it already, either raise the temp a little or wait a little longer
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2238621 - 01/13/04 08:20 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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And what do you call this? "The Mix & Match Tek"?
Why would you put whole grain in a half pint jar and top it with verm? I can't see 1 benefit.
You pressure cooked for a tad too long.
and the temp your keeping them at is about 10 degrees too low.
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 simplemachine
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2239849 - 01/13/04 04:59 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I saw in the grow guides that polyfill is needed for gas exchange when using whole grains. I have never tried grains, but I always use polyfill.
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SixCee
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: simplemachine]
#2239853 - 01/13/04 05:01 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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The verm. layer does the same thing everytime, regardless of which substrate you use. You just can't shake.
P.S. That one you opened is definitely contammed :/ .
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simplemachine
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2239860 - 01/13/04 05:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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>You just can't shake.
yeh thats why it sux
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: SixCee]
#2239867 - 01/13/04 05:05 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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hrm id say no the verm layer on the cake keeps bacteria out as with grains it is way to easy to have the verm pieces falling with just little movement breaking the barrier. The use of polly fill or tyvek is is the best and keep the dry verm layer for dense cakes.
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2239872 - 01/13/04 05:08 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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why did you let the wbs dry?
your supposed to dump it in the jars after it has drained for 5 minutes.
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: ]
#2239879 - 01/13/04 05:10 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow 5 minutes man that would cause a lot of water in my opinion to be collected in jar i let mine drain till i cant even shake one droplet out almost 45 minutes better to be to dry then to wet... thats just my opinion
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: FallenShroom]
#2239891 - 01/13/04 05:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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cool,i dont even drain for 5 mins,i just load in the seed,fill with water above the top,soak for 24,then just turn the jar upside down and drain/drip shake till no drops, then pc it.
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FallenShroom
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: ]
#2239976 - 01/13/04 05:54 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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im gonna give that a try next time lamblancer seems to save some time and no problems with excesive water
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: FallenShroom]
#2240046 - 01/13/04 06:33 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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well you PC'd for a long ass time (usually only need about 1 hour from putting your lid on the PC to turning off the flame. also, 1cc per jar is a little low. I know it says to put that in there from the PF Tek but, i honestly put about 3-5cc per jar (i make my own syrings, so no biggy there).
so there is 1 point against you, low amount of spore solution.
your other minus 1 point goes to your temp. 70-75? i dont even begin to sweat at that temp. get that bad aboy up to around 80-85.
also might depend on what type of shroom you're growing. one time i ran some TC and they took 2 weeks to shoot off, and that was with 3cc per 1/2 pint jar.
also... too much water = bad bad bad.
g'luck bro.
pz
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Re: 1 week and no cultivation! help! [Re: crazycanadian]
#2240500 - 01/13/04 11:00 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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This birdseed didn't have sunflower seeds by any chance. Im sure it didn't but if it did then you might have a big problem there. Ive read that in temps as low as yours, its a normal thing for no growth to show for even up to 8 days. I guess at the 10th day and no growth... then something might be up. Get those temps higher man.
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