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OfflineStill_tripping
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Whose right?
    #22382354 - 10/15/15 10:07 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

The idea is that the story of Santa was influenced by or created about pre-Christian Pagan Shamans. A Shaman was a psychedelic adventurer that was the man in the village who was most traveled in the world of the mysteries of the mind, and that he would lead others into this world by conducting rituals with this sacred mushroom.


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"The Santa Claus we know and love was invented by a New Yorker, it really is true," Hutton said. "It was the work of Clement Clarke Moore, in New York City in 1822, who suddenly turned a medieval saint into a flying, reindeer-driving spirit of the Northern midwinter."

And Moore brought that beloved Santa Claus to life in his poem, "A Visit from St. Nicholas,"  otherwise known as "The Night Before Christmas."
Was it the shroom or the poem?
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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22382454 - 10/15/15 10:47 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

most religious stuff is based on previous religious stuff. Hindu/Babylon/Egyptian all has a lot of shared elements as pagan stuff. also drugs were very often used as sacraments during rituals of spirit realms.

most definitely the mushrooms.


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Re: Whose right? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22382574 - 10/15/15 11:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

This is the first time I've heard of Santa being a shroomin expert. I like it, I'm going with shrooms.

But I'm pretty disappointed that he has been holding out on me all this time, I want some motherfuckin' shrooms in my stocking this year Santa no excuses your secret is out!


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping] * 2
    #22382578 - 10/15/15 11:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

invalid poll, threads trash


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping] * 1
    #22382605 - 10/15/15 11:38 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Neither are correct.

Santa was invented in the early 70s by teachers to underprivelaged kids in Harlem's ghettos. In order to make it seem like he had already existed, they fabricated stories of Saint Nicholas being a tradition white people had been using for decades. Soon after the planting of propaganda that santa was white, white people started having white guilt over the inner city kids reciving no presents, thus creating charities and donations in which they would be given gifts.

The plan worked, and now inner city kids all over America benefit from the charities that were made as a part of an elaborate hoax created by school administrators in the 70s.

Ever see lean on me? Think again. Watch it with this perspective and be amazed, it was really the story of the invention of Santa Claus.

The first santa in my avatar was the original.


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22382810 - 10/15/15 12:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Probably both are right. The world may not be as black and white as you think. There are old ways that get re purposed to suit new ways. Cultural recycling.


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Re: Whose right? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22382839 - 10/15/15 12:48 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Read the sacred mushroom and the cross :thumbup:


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22382842 - 10/15/15 12:49 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I imagine the new yorker was probably inspired somehow by the laplandian shamans, or imagery of them. Perhaps the connection between them and Santa was never previously suggested, or maybe it actually is just a coincidence. :shrug:
Either way, the specific appearance and character of santa today is definitely more fitting with the american origin than the shamanic one


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22382888 - 10/15/15 12:59 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Santa originated from a shaman who would harvest amanita mascaria throughout the year. He would find a centrally located tree where he was hunting these amanita and place them in the tree to dry (what we know now as decorating a Christmas tree) The original Christmas ornaments were all mushroom shaped and colored red and white the same as an amanita mascaria. Shamans would dress in the same colors as the mushroom they worshipped and is how the red and white Santa suit came into play. Once the mushrooms were dried the shaman would place them in a big sack and ride a sleigh pulled by elk during the winter going from home to home bartering his mushrooms for other items like furs and food. If the snow was too high and access to the door of these homes were blocked a ladder would be used to climd in and out of these homes through the smoke stack on the roofs. That's how the whole Santa coming through the chimney came to be. The book (The sacred mushroom and the cross) is a must read. It makes sense of everything that doesn't make sense about religion


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Re: Whose right? [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22382929 - 10/15/15 01:07 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

i like that theory, but I'm highly suspicious of every effort to connect virtually every culture to early drug culture. Maybe there's truth in it,
but mostly it strikes me as wishful thinking, especially since it can't be proven either way, and most of the proponents of these kinds of ideas are clearly biased (like Mckenna etc)


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Still_tripping] * 3
    #22382935 - 10/15/15 01:08 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Whose  Who's


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Re: Whose right? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22382948 - 10/15/15 01:11 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
i like that theory, but I'm highly suspicious of every effort to connect virtually every culture to early drug culture. Maybe there's truth in it,
but mostly it strikes me as wishful thinking, especially since it can't be proven either way, and most of the proponents of these kinds of ideas are clearly biased (like Mckenna etc)



Like they can prove religion lol?


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Re: Whose right? [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22382990 - 10/15/15 01:19 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

i just mean, if something cannot be proven either way, I prefer not to treat it as fact. In this case at least there's some convincing evidence though.
I like the theory about the cult of Elusys being a mushroom cult. That one makes a lot of sense.


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