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New guy :) First grow
    #22381878 - 10/15/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whats up everyone. My names moshe, glad to join shroomery! This year i've been getting more and more curious about cubes and i was just slowly gravitated into learning about cubes, cultivation, experiences, etc. I was just naturally drawn more and more to the shroomies i felt like they were calling me.


Heres an album of my first attempt at cultivating some cubes. Hows it look so far?


http://imgur.com/a/SXC5V
Heres the tins in colonizing stage. I use cake tins in a tub. I kept one lid on just to see how much faster the myc would spread.

http://imgur.com/a/JvbwT
heres where i'm at right now as of today. Just started fruiting, hoping to see pins in next week. The tub i used has 8 holes total. 4 at the sub level, 2 on each side at 1.25 inches width tightly packed with poly. The 2 other holes above them on either side  are 1.5 inch holes and have loosely packed poly. The 2 holes on either long end are i think 1.65? not sure a bit bigger than the 1.5 i believe and are also loosely packed with poly.


close up of my myc
http://imgur.com/a/r42fA


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22381900 - 10/15/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I may be wrong, I'm just gonna throw these out there... it looks to me to have a bacterial infection, or is going aerial in search of oxygen...either way, don't look right to me...


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22381904 - 10/15/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good job. How many days it took to coloniza on this stage?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Jaboka]
    #22381940 - 10/15/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What was your spawn and substrate and did you case?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: insanemike]
    #22383278 - 10/15/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I may be wrong, I'm just gonna throw these out there... it looks to me to have a bacterial infection, or is going aerial in search of oxygen...either way, don't look right to me...




I posted the myc on reddit and showed a few peeps and I was told it's just aggressive rhizomorphic mycelium growth, which is a good thing. Shows strong growth i guess?

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Good job. How many days it took to coloniza on this stage?




Day one of fruiting today. The casing took about 10 days to colonize completely


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What was your spawn and substrate and did you case?




Spawned to a 2lb rye grain bag. I cant remember the strain so we'll see when they grow. I took the colonized rye and mixed it about 50/50 with coco coir and some verm. Eye-balled it. I'd say a 50:50 mix of rye and 30/70 verm coco mix.

Yes, i have about half an inch of the coco/verm mix on top as casing (what you see the myc growing on right now)


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22383479 - 10/15/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I figured that was a casing on top that was fully colonized. You should be seeing pins with in the next 3-5 days. You will first notice little white specs (hyphal knots) all over the place. Once this happens pins will start to form.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: insanemike]
    #22384040 - 10/15/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@insanemike

I just got a bit unsure of myself. I know that it says to case with a nutrient-free substance. I cased with 30/70 verm/cocoa, is that a big deal? Will my yield be less since it's not cased with verm or something else?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384060 - 10/15/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just got a bit unsure of myself. I know that it says to case with a nutrient-free substance. I cased with 30/70 verm/cocoa, is that a big deal? Will my yield be less since it's not cased with verm or something else?




Nahhh you got this.  As long as that aerial mycelium is in fact not because of bacteria then you're good.  Don't listen to anybody on reddit though, they're fuckin awful over there.  Talking about wiping sterile syringes with isopropyl alcohol, talking down on flame sterilization (the only way to properly sterilize outside a PC), colonizing in the dark, or god knows what else.

Coir/verm makes a fine casing though as long as you wait a few days before you add it.  Otherwise it's likely to get consumed... looks like it might've.  That's not a problem either though, it just means you don't have a casing really anymore.  Good thing cubes don't need em.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Inocuole]
    #22384082 - 10/15/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hahaha. Cool, thanks.  So this type of mycelium is not a good sign? Bummer, I thought i had beginners luck with awesome myc lol.

How does my fruiting chamber look? the bottom 4 holes are super tight and the top 4 on each side are very loose



now im freakin' out that i a contam lol. what do you suggest it is cobweb?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384166 - 10/15/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It can be fine.  It's not the end of the world.  Aerial mycelium shows up for a number of reasons, sometimes no reason at all, but it can be a sign of bacterial infection.

You would know if it was cobweb because you wouldn't even be able to see anything else.  Seriously, look at a picture of cobweb, the shit grows the size of a quarter pound of polyfill in like a day.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Inocuole]
    #22384171 - 10/15/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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@insanemike

I just got a bit unsure of myself. I know that it says to case with a nutrient-free substance. I cased with 30/70 verm/cocoa, is that a big deal? Will my yield be less since it's not cased with verm or something else?




Don't listen to anybody on reddit though, they're fuckin awful over there.



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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22384418 - 10/15/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i just want me some good flushes :mushroom2:


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384428 - 10/15/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well... you have a mono full of trays that's about to pin so... I mean... you're closer to a good flush than I am right now.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Inocuole]
    #22384435 - 10/15/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hopefully. Have you seen this kind of myc colonize a whole tub before?

what was this rhizomorphic mycelium i was told about?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384464 - 10/15/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I done told you it was fine.



Yours is just REALLY spiky.  It either has bacteria or it doesn't, it should still produce something.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384466 - 10/15/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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hahaha. Cool, thanks.  So this type of mycelium is not a good sign? Bummer, I thought i had beginners luck with awesome myc lol.

How does my fruiting chamber look? the bottom 4 holes are super tight and the top 4 on each side are very loose



now im freakin' out that i a contam lol. what do you suggest it is cobweb?





Rule #1, mushroom cultivation and Reddit do not mix - stay far away from that place and the information they spread!

/u/knotheadtoo, mod at /r/mushroomgrowers, literally said once that still air boxes and flame sterilization are "bullshit," which couldn't be further from the truth. those guys have their heads so far up their asses, and the community surrounding them does not know enough themselves to call out such bullshit. his bad info is constantly upvoted because his celebrity status, and whenever anyone corrects it with factual information, they flip shit and respond with downvoting to censorship. Fuck that!

Now, as for your substrate and the aerial mycelium.... I would personally mist it to knock down that aerial myc. I've found the extra surface area from aerial myc can speed up evaporation from the surface of the substrate, so a little misting will help with the initial pinset.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22384892 - 10/15/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I hear you guys.

Just a question though, why would i get such aerial mycelium (lets just say its not bacteria)? Thats supposed to be a sign for poor FAE right? During colonization it just grew this way. So how do you tell the difference between the arms of aero myc. and the branching of the "good" rhizo myc?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22384902 - 10/15/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Aerial mycelium isn't a sign of poor FAE.  That's fuzzy feet, and even that can be attributed to genetics in high FAE grows.

Aerial mycelium is really just the no-longer branching strands of a rhizomorph, or at least it seems.  If it weren't in the air it would be in the substrate and it would look more or less normal there.  Just don't worry about it.  Those are all signs you have cube myc, nothing else takes on that spikiness, so hold onto that for now.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Inocuole]
    #22396298 - 10/18/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

to my surprise came home tonight to a a bunch of hyphal knots all over. Well, pretty sure what im seeing are knots

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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22396351 - 10/18/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If they look like tiny white speckles all over the place. :thumbup: it won't be long before you begin to see pins.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: insanemike]
    #22396363 - 10/18/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If they look like tiny white speckles all over the place. :thumbup: it won't be long before you begin to see pins.





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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: insanemike]
    #22397996 - 10/18/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. i see the tiny dots all over now. It's kinda hard to tell with tiny balls of fluffy myc everywhere cause of how my myc decided to grow, but underneath and in the fuzzy parts its littered with tiny white dots. I took some pictures because i noticed pictures of hyphal knots aren't really abundant and on google searches there have been so many people asking about them. I snapped some pictures also with 2 things that caught my attention

So my attached pictures were giant, so i'll just post a link:


http://imgur.com/a/Sa4AJ



first two are some knot pics, the other two need some help on. Noticed a little, about 3x3 inch area of the aerial myc has a slight yellowish tint on the tops. Not too bad but noticeable, is this normal? I don't have a humidity gauge but its pretty damn humid in there and if you check my other post theres a picture of my monotub and its the condensation/ trails in it, everything seems dialed in great. I even fan then mist once a day to give it that little boost of evap. The last picture is this weird, yellowish blob i noticed today. Wasn't there yesterday i believe. What could it be? I wanna poke it to see if its liquid lol but i haven't touched it.



I have needlenose tweezers, would it be smart to try to remove this blobby thing?   

EDIT: I just looked inside and saw when i was taking pictures one of my eyelashes fell on the myc so i removed it carefully lol. good thign i just showered. BUT! I noticed another tiny, a bit more golden colored than that first blob, blob. That makes 2 tiny yellow/golden blobs one on each try. Is this myc piss? I even noticed like 2 of my tiny arms of myc bruised blue at the very tip. What do these signs indicate?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22398208 - 10/18/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Mycelium does not urinate, does not have a bladder, and there is no such thing as myc piss.  Why this horrible disinformation persists after we've known for over 50 years that these liquids are antibiotic and released in response to bacteria is beyond comprehension.
Next time you get sick, ask the doctor for a myc piss shot instead of antibiotics and see him look at you like you just bumped your head or fell off a turnip truck.
If your grains are infected, there will be metabolites.  If you've colonized at above normal room temperature, bacteria has been stimulated and thus the metabolites.
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It's not even a waste product, and people who call it piss are ignorant.  The liquid is excreted to help break down the substrate, and in a different formulation is produced to fight contaminant molds and bacteria.  These are the products antibiotics are made of.



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Mycelium does not urinate, not is it infused with bacteria.  Metabolites are anti-bacterial in fact.  Mix it with water and use it on your plants.  It's an excellent fertilizer.
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The mycelium secretes enzymes to help break down the substrate for digestion and also to help ward off competitors.  If you're using excessive temperature or have excessive contaminants, you'll have more of these secretions, which have nothing to do with urination.
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These enzymes can be many colors, including red.
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These enzymes are secreted to help break down substrate materials and also to help ward off competing organisms.
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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22398221 - 10/18/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is my first grow, and I didn't assume that my mycelium is urinating in my trays... I called it "myc piss" because, after doing A LOT of reading mind you, probably more than the average "noob" that jumps into cultivation also, is the only commonly used name I found both on shroomery and other forums. If you do searches with anything that has to do with contams you'll run by the name eventually. (even though its not a contam) The only thing i didn't read on was what exactly is this yellow liquid, and what it does.  Any time I happened to run into it users said "oh, its just piss its normal". So i took it as a normal sign and moved on. This was during my colonization of the spawn.  I just new it as a possible side effect while cultivating, and that it's normal. I've only just got into the shrooms and shroom communities for a few weeks now, and when there is so much outdated info i think its a bit unfair to be so condescending.

Excuse me for not saying "enzymes that mycelium produce" instead, when i didn't even know what it was. I hadn't seen it in a tray, but rather plenty of pictures of peoples jars/rye/corn bags with it inside.  It's why I ask :thumbup:

Awesome siggy btw, really dig it.


Yesterday the myc was in a warmer-than-usual climate, could that have been why i see the two drops of enzymes?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22398284 - 10/18/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

not trying to sound condescending, my apologies, I'm just very direct and trying to supply information. I'm pretty noob myself.

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Awesome siggy btw, really dig it.




Thank you!

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Yesterday the myc was in a warmer-than-usual climate, could that have been why i see the two drops of enzymes?



Certainly is possible, i would suggest waiting to see if a TC pops in (they usually do). Inocuole is very knowledgeable as well so you might just wait for him to respond.

Other than that just keep reading and learning, sit back and relax, let your mycelium do what they do.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22398295 - 10/18/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Excuse me for not saying "enzymes that mycelium produce" instead, when i didn't even know what it was. It's why I ask :thumbup:




All that and you still didn't get him calling them metabolites.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22398305 - 10/18/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool! I assumed it might be the warmer weather yesterday. I didn't have the ac on (the ac blows pretty much right past my tub). I don't have a fan so it does the job well. :smile:

So, since the golden blobs are cool i'll give it a few days and come back with some pics of hopefully pins :smile:


yeah, he really helped out a lot. If i could give rates on here you guys would have it already!


Thanks a lot :mushroom2:




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Excuse me for not saying "enzymes that mycelium produce" instead, when i didn't even know what it was. It's why I ask :thumbup:




All that and you still didn't get him calling them metabolites.





LOL i was just doing some google searches after reading his comment and someone called them metabolites and i just came back here without thinking that he had said enzymes at first  :sleep:


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22398339 - 10/18/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, things might go okay, but since you do have visible metabolites, it would behoove you to watch that substrate like a hawk.  Stuff crops up real easy on slightly weakened subs.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: Inocuole]
    #22398355 - 10/18/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What actions would i take to combat something, that is if anything pops up of course.


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22404454 - 10/19/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So i fanned once a day, and today i noticed some of the tips of my mycelium arms are bruised.  I'm yet to harvest (obviously) but i have a crazy amount of hyphal knots all over.

If you take a look at my my pictuers youll see all that aerial mycelium i had. So now, esecially on one of my tins, a bunch of those little fluffy arms have seemed to bruise and subside a bit where they look pinny.

Bruising before flush indicates dryness? My mycelium looks pretty healthy otherwise, how else could i tell if it's too dry? My monotub shows signs of a properly dialed in tub so what else approach should i have?


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Re: New guy :) First grow [Re: moshe1]
    #22451680 - 10/29/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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