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just_curious
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: aerow.thefox]
#22383775 - 10/15/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, because at the start of this I was saying that Damian50/50's coir tek was for substrate but somebody up top was saying that's a casing tek. But I read it as a bulk substrate. I understand to put a casing layer of dry Verm in my mason jars on top of my BRF/Verm then to PC. I thought I was in decent understanding until somebody said damian50/50's tek is a casing tek. So, is it a casing tek, or a substrate mixture? I understand it as just another substrate substitution instead of manure.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22383863 - 10/15/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damion50/50 is not his name. His name is damion5050. I'm telling you that there is a 50/50 casing tek, with a slash. Damion5050 doesn't use 50/50 of anything just because his name is damion5050. It's still a whole brick of coir and 2 quarts of verm to 5 jars of spawn which is nowhere near 50/50 of anything, not like the 50/50+ casing tek that is VERY easily confused when people call damion5050 damion 50/50.
Do you understand the difficulty I'm having?
Yes, his tek is for a bulk substrate, you have that correct. It's just not 50/50 of anything and when you say 50/50, that implies a 1:1 ratio of something.
edit: Go here, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php type 50/50, specify mush cultivation only, hit enter, take note of the results.
Edited by Inocuole (10/15/15 03:36 PM)
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just_curious
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22384506 - 10/15/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bulk substrate is the one I'm talking about and got confused when somebody said its casing. Now that that is said and I'm actually not pulling from a bunch of teks like another user stated, should I use BRF or WBS for the mason jars, and manure or the coir tek for the bulk. I guess that's the main question I was trying to ask. I just put it in a lot more words for more accuracy in answers from ya'll
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22384533 - 10/15/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want to go bulk you should be doing grain. Leave the BRF for cakes.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22384618 - 10/15/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay. I will give that a shot. NOW I'm going to ask a dumb question. I know a lot have appeared that way but I think I've been miscommunicating my thoughts lol. You say to use grain for bulk, are you talking about for the original inoculation jars, or the actual bulk substrate. I can't claim to have researched this method because I don't believe I have. But, because you said don't use BRF, I'm assuming you me grain the jars. Is that rye grain? And then what would be the bulk substrate? Anybody got a tek link?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22384635 - 10/15/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just_curious said: Is that rye grain? And then what would be the bulk substrate? Anybody got a tek link?
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Inocuole said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1
Between the first and fourth link I gave you yesterday, and especially considering the second one, I don't understand why you're confused.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22384683 - 10/15/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay cool. Well I looked at the ones that I was most interested in doing and already had the framework in my mind from other teks I've read, but if you guys think that grain will be the best bet for bulk then I will go with that! I hope it turns out good. I'm going to keep a grow log and document everything so the next guy that has questions like mine, I can hopefully pay it forward and hopefully help out a fellow shroomery member
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22384689 - 10/15/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should be interested in doing them all. There's something of value to take from every link posted in here. Don't just look at the agar one and go "Oh that's cool I'll check that out later". I'd have posted them later if you needed to see them later than right now. I'm telling you this stuff at the stage I wish I had taken up the stuff I'm suggesting now. If I could go back and do it myself I would.
Human evolution continues by picking up where those before us left off, no use spending tons of time making all the same mistakes.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22384847 - 10/15/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell yeah man! I'll read them all right now. I just didn't want to cram a bunch of stuff to confuse me on the path I wanted to take, but I'll take your word for it man. Thanks for all your help, that's what a good fellow shroomery member does. Assist fellow shroomery members in the name of everything mycology and mushies
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22384895 - 10/15/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well they're not different means to the same end, it's a matter of doing everything at the same time, in the correct order, efficiently. Agar, tubs, spore prints, liquid inoculants and cultures, drying, storing, etc, is all happening at the same time for most of us. One tek'll never get you all the way.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22386017 - 10/15/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I've spent the last couple hours looking over all of the links you provided. Could you tell me if I'm on the right track?
I want to stay away from inoculating my WBS with spores, but instead create an agar from spore syringe. After that, prepare my WBS, follow the tek exactly, but instead of spore syringe, use an agar wedges. Once my jar of WBS is 100%, I want to prepare my bulk substrate using the coir tek (follow it exactly), mix the spawn into 3/4 of the coir mixture, and coat the top with the remaining 1/4 of the coir. Wait until fruiting conditions, fruit, harvest, spore print or live culture, transfer to agar, and repeat all over again. Does that sound right?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22386038 - 10/15/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty much. Tho you should look into cloning and culture storage. Its pretty much what people do instead of continuously printing and starting on spores. Tho it seems like an endless amount of starting on spores for me hahah
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22386044 - 10/15/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That would be ideal, yes, but you don't have to print each grow to start on agar again, you can just keep transferring the culture you have on agar while the grow is going on so that you can start a new grow using the same culture you began with, it should last quite a while if you keep expanding it. You can shoot spores in WBS if you really want to get a few jars going, but definitely plan to be doing what you just outlined.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22386117 - 10/15/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's great. It seems smarter to use agar instead of spores since they last pretty much forever and you can keep making them rather than reordering syringes. I'm assuming the room for error is pretty big with agar? Would you recommend makin your own in glad Tupperware type bowls, or ordering Petri dishes, or ordering pre-agar''d dishes?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22386140 - 10/15/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just use agar agar powder from the asian market with potato flakes and honey, or just mix diluted grain water with agar agar, done.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22386185 - 10/15/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, I'll try to find a tek for that. Do you use actual Petri dishes?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22386199 - 10/15/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22386208 - 10/15/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, I checked out pastys tek earlier. I'll probably go with that. Thanks again for all your help. I'll be stocking up on supplies and getting at it soon
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22386623 - 10/16/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you are going for a record there noc... most times having to repost the same links to answer another question that was covered in the links...
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Mad Season]
#22386655 - 10/16/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He came in playing 20 questions basically. Expecting us to be his trained dogs and research it all for him. I don't mind a couple questions, or needing some clarification. But this was just wow..
The dude needs to read like days worth of material. Not really interested in rewriting every tek. No one is, that's why we send links of teks. All you gotta do is read them, but you got snappy when loc told you to.
That's what I did. Read read read. Search search search. Look at my main posts. I made 3 threads in cult, to ask a single question in each of them. And 2/3 of them people didn't even answer them anyway, so I read some more to get my answers. Lol.
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LocN9ne said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051 Check that out.
Yeah I wrote that, and if you followed it you wouldn't have problems. Hint: CLICK THE PICS.
Step 1: Use The Search Function (UTSF)

Doing so you'll find up to date info from TC's. Pretty much all saying the same thing....
Its actually a rule too..
1. Please use the search posts function before asking a question. Your question has already been asked and answered hundreds of times, so don't think you're going to get a better answer by asking it again. In the 'search posts' link at the top of the page, you can select an individual user or the trusted cultivator group as a whole to filter results to come only from them.
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