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just_curious
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Some questions for the experts!?
#22380830 - 10/14/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm about to start my first grow. Plan on doing a bulk monotub (or 2?). Here's my questions.
Should I use BRF and Verm, or WBS and Verm?
Is it the same preparation for both?
If I don't have a pressure cooker, will boiling for 90 minutes be fine?
To shake or not to shake for either of them after inoculating?
For the bulk substrate, should I use 50/50 coir and Verm, or pasteurized manure?
Do I have to boil the 50/50 mix?
If I do the bulk substrate, is it okay to crumble the cakes and mix them in the bulk?
Do I dunk the cakes at all before crumbling or add water to the 50/50 or manure or is moisture from the boil enough?
Do I put a casing layer of Verm on the bulk after its mixed?
During this time, I just cover it until the mycelium takes over the bulk right, no holes?
Mycelium is done growing, now I can add holes to the tub. Do I do a couple holes every 2-4 inches, or just shotgun?
Should all this be split between more than 1 tub in the event of contamn? Like if I make 10 cakes, should I spread that across 2-3 bulk monotubs?
I know, lots of questions, but also a lot of opinions. I want to do this right! First grow and I hate failure lol
Edited by just_curious (10/14/15 09:36 PM)
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LocN9ne
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22380837 - 10/14/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just_curious
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22381019 - 10/14/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey! Glad to see you contributing so much to a fellow shroomery member. Maybe someday you'll need advice and somebody will troll you. Yes, I am aware of a lot of teks, I have studied the shit out of them. What I am asking is, what has worked the best for people. Also, a lot of these teks are old and cultivation an short cuts have come a long way. I understand to follow to the T. Some people say just go with cakes, other people are against one thing and for another. I've also read some people using perlite for cakes in a sgfc, but not for bulk grow. I've seen some people say to use other methods other then crumbling. I'd rather ask questions now and be good to go then to waste time and money. Sorry if you're unable to provide any insight because trolling seemed more important to you. It's okay, I have faith that some legitimate good shroomery members with a passion for mycology and want to see other people succeed as well, will hop on and give me some advice.
Maybe I'm taking your post as an insult when it wasn't meant to be, but at first glance, and second, it definitely appears that way
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22381049 - 10/14/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sayin that your questions are all over the place...the best advice I can give you in response to that is pick a tek, and follow it...you got bits and pieces of at least 6 teks in your questions... and if you were to pick one and follow directions you would succeed... if I went down the list and answered your questions 1 by 1 you would be in the same position you are in now... don't mean to come off rude, but my suggestion still stands as the best response to your list... do PF tek.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22381071 - 10/14/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's the one that I planned on following, but for the bulk, I've gotten mixed responses on whether to use 50/50 or manure, and some people told me that crumbling the cakes is bad and to use a cheese grater.
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LocN9ne
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22381086 - 10/14/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A cheese grater is the most efficient way of "crumbling" cakes imo...and CVG (coir/verm/gypsum) is a great substrate to spawn to, especially for your first grow because you don't have to pasteurize and it's naturally pretty contam resistant.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22381098 - 10/14/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've read different things on that too. That you don't have to pasteurize it, and that I need to mix in a bucket and dump hot water over it. Any opinions on that?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22381117 - 10/14/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just_curious said: That's the one that I planned on following, but for the bulk, I've gotten mixed responses on whether to use 50/50 or manure, and some people told me that crumbling the cakes is bad and to use a cheese grater.
Hold a moment while I pray.
Okay.
Now then, what do you mean when you say "50/50 or manure"? Would you mind explaining, what is 50/50? We're talking about the casing mixture?
A cheese grater is fine for the cakes, however you can crumble them is fine, but you want them in very tiny pieces.
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LocN9ne
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22381128 - 10/14/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not necessary...that being said, when I hydrate my coir I do put it in a bucket with my verm and gypsum and dump boiling water over all of it to hydrate...which in turn ends up pasteurizing it anyways...2 birds with one stone type... if you search bucket tek you'll find it... I'll dig some links up for you when I get home if you can't find them...
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22381140 - 10/14/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051 Check that out.
Yeah I wrote that, and if you followed it you wouldn't have problems. Hint: CLICK THE PICS.
Step 1: Use The Search Function (UTSF)

Doing so you'll find up to date info from TC's. Pretty much all saying the same thing....
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22381146 - 10/14/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just_curious
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22381160 - 10/14/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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just_curious said: That's the one that I planned on following, but for the bulk, I've gotten mixed responses on whether to use 50/50 or manure, and some people told me that crumbling the cakes is bad and to use a cheese grater.
Hold a moment while I pray.
Okay.
Now then, what do you mean when you say "50/50 or manure"? Would you mind explaining, what is 50/50? We're talking about the casing mixture?
Sorry, damian50/50's coir tek. I can see how that's confusing. And no, not for the casing layer, for the bulk substrate
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22381305 - 10/14/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll give out the same gems I always do since those don't just jump out of the search results when you don't know what to look for but the rest is pretty easy to find.
Hey man, I appreciate it. That's what I'm talking about!
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22381406 - 10/14/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you mean.. damion5050's coir tek?
This one? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1
50/50 is a casing tek, been trying to figure out how this is happening for months.
I swear I'm gonna make a mod/admin change damion's name.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22381539 - 10/15/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get a pressure cooker and make an inexpensive SAB. Boiling for 90 minutes isn't going to do the same thing as boiling under pressure for 90 minutes. Much higher temps are required than with a PC under pressure to eliminate most contaminants.
Consider learning how to work with agar or at least start reading about its place in cultivation.
If you are going to invest your time, save a little money and invest the little extra it takes to do it right. Nothing like spending a whole lot of time doing something half ass resulting in suboptimal results.
Other than that, if you pick a Tek and roll with it you'll do fine.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Kalistis]
#22381541 - 10/15/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, and welcome.
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Inocuole]
#22382580 - 10/15/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: So you mean.. damion5050's coir tek?
This one? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1
50/50 is a casing tek, been trying to figure out how this is happening for months.
I swear I'm gonna make a mod/admin change damion's name.
That's a casing tek? It doesn't appear that way to me. It looks like he uses like 3/4 of it for the bulk substrate and then the rest for a casing layer. Am I reading this wrong?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22382686 - 10/15/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just_curious
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: Yerow]
#22383383 - 10/15/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is. It says to mix the Verm an coir into a bucket, add boiling water, let cool, add to monotub (leave leave a little in the bucket to add on top)( I would consider this a casing layer?)add spawn to the monotub/mixture (I would consider this the bulk substrate?) mix well, then add the remaining coir on top of the mixture. I understand it fully, maybe I'm just getting the terminology wrong, but I would consider anything I'm putting on top of the spawn/coir mixture a casing layer?
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Re: Some questions for the experts!? [Re: just_curious]
#22383412 - 10/15/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no. its not. thats just a layer without grain to keep a layer of pasturized, contam resistant bulk sub on top. also its a gauge of colonization. once the top (which has no spawn points) is colonized, the whole sub is. with proper spawn ratios and substrate distribution/evening, of course.
a casing is added AFTER full colonization.
Edited by aerow.thefox (10/15/15 01:14 PM)
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