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King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran
    #22379944 - 10/14/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just made up a filter patch bag with 3 lbs of PFP and 4 oz of wheat bran using Lipa's tek. Any bets as to whether it will contaminate.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22380169 - 10/14/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Following.

My bet is on no contam.

I'm thinking of doing a run of King's also. Can't decide on what substrate I want to go with though.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: TheBeardedNerd]
    #22387562 - 10/16/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm quite new to this, but from what I've read the more supplement the higher the risk of contamination, specially when just pasteurizing (as in Lipa's Tek).

Anyway, it would be great to get a more informed opinion from a veteran cultivator :smile:

If you can get it through, I might consider doing this for my next King Oyster grow.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Erthel]
    #22387812 - 10/16/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm no veteran, but I enjoy experimenting some times. If my calculations are correct I used approximately 8% bran and approximately 17% spawn. We shall see.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22390002 - 10/16/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The spawn has started to spread to the substrate. So far so good.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22390653 - 10/16/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: shroombasa]
    #22390699 - 10/16/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I suppose I should get some pictures up soon


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22394963 - 10/17/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Such a low supplement rate and high spawn rate you should be ok? I would definitely treat it almost like it's sterilized with the bran and be as sanitary as possible with your grain transfer. Did you add any gypsum? I actually have 6 4 kilo lipa bags pasteurizing right now in a cooler. First batch so i'm keeping it just the oak pellets and 7% gypsum. Ill be doing kings as well. What do you plan on using as a casing layer?


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22395199 - 10/17/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No gypsum in this one. But I have just started trying some with and without to see if there is much difference. I hear some say it makes a difference, and some say that it doesn't do much. I also don't think that I will case them. I have heard that it really doesn't need a casing. I know that it would help with moisture retention, but I plan to just cut slits, so that shouldn't be a problem. If I do try casing later, I will most likely go with verm.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22396518 - 10/18/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22441554 - 10/27/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So far, so good. Seems to be colonizing well, and no sign of contamination, regardless of what the poor pic may appear to show.



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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22443063 - 10/28/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: vvHeavyvv]
    #22447152 - 10/28/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22447793 - 10/29/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! I hope I can get some decent fruits. I have some outside right now pinning, but humidity has been a problem.  Just to low right now. They pin and die. Also temps varying allot. Anywhere from 35-70 degrees. May have to bring them inside and put them in a SGFC. Stems will just be bigger I guess.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22448042 - 10/29/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

maybe try putting them in a poly tent? That would help with humidity and stabilizing temps.  You can even put some pails filled with water to act as heat sinks to keep the temps more stable. Or better yet make the tent out of four water filled pails then drape poly over it.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22450445 - 10/29/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I put them in a SGFC in a room that I can keep at between 55-65 degrees. They already seem happier. Cant wait to eat my first homegrown. I had them once from the store and they were great.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22451626 - 10/29/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was talking about the outdoor ones.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22452194 - 10/30/15 03:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I was talking about the outdoor ones.



Understood. I'm letting those go as an experiment. I learned a lot by doing things like that.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22479586 - 11/05/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No contams yet. On day 22. The pink color on the pic is not there in person, so no, there isn't contamination. Just a quick question. When doing supplement calculations, is it with dry substrate or hydrated?
For eg. Would it be 4 oz of bran to 3 lb of dry fuel pellets? So it would be like 8.3%?



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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22479819 - 11/05/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea dry weight. Use metric system, much easier to figure out %, 900g sawdust 100g bran =10%


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22480390 - 11/05/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea dry weight. Use metric system, much easier to figure out %, 900g sawdust 100g bran =10%



Thanks for the info! Yeah, I should go metric, but I have my moisture dialed in, and hate to mess with it. I figure 5.5 oz bran will give me 10%.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22485524 - 11/06/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22485687 - 11/06/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't tried to fruit it yet. Might experiment, and put it in the freezer for a day, then put it in the SGFC.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22485786 - 11/06/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno about the freezer, i think the fridge would be a much better option. You don't want ice cubes you just want to trick the growth into thinking the temps dropped for fall.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22485967 - 11/06/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I dunno about the freezer, i think the fridge would be a much better option. You don't want ice cubes you just want to trick the growth into thinking the temps dropped for fall.



I know, but I want to see what will happen. If it doesn't work, I still have 2 fruiting and 3 colonizing.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22485993 - 11/06/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Did you lose any bags? I ended up losing most of my first batch but my supplimented and third batch unsuplimented blues I only lost 1/7. I think transferring from large to extra large bags after cooling was the source of contamination.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22486164 - 11/06/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I only did 2 with bran. I didn't want to do a bunch and find out it wouldn't work. No problem with this one but I did another with more bran and like 40% spawn.  That one has a very tiny spot of contamination. It looks like maybe penicillin. Definitely not trich. To slow and more turquoise colored.  It hasn't grown in two days. So maybe the mycelium will overcome it.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22490053 - 11/07/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Wouldn't it be 7.7% then?  4 oz/52 oz

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: shroombasa]
    #22490265 - 11/07/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Wouldn't it be 7.7% then?  4 oz/52 oz

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Absolutely! I'm still figuring out how to calculate spawn rates and such.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22490716 - 11/07/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #22491001 - 11/07/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just put it into fruiting conditions today. Fingers crossed.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22516870 - 11/13/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OK. So, I cut the top off the bag about a week ago. Left around 1-2 inches of the sides. Scratched the surface on half of it. Stuck it in my SGFC. Dropped the temp from 65 to about 58 or 60. An we have pins! The scratched side has nothing though, so I don't think that works. I'm sure the biggest factor was the temp drop. I'll tuck that little bit of knowledge away for the future :laugh:!


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22517076 - 11/13/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nice!  Congrats.  Would love to see some pix when you have the time.  I have four bags of Black Poplar growing out on an identical (slightly richer) mixture, and have some clones of wild Chicken of the Woods and King Stropharia I'm going to treat similarly to your King Oyster grow with wheat bran supplemented wood pellets - possibly as early as this week-end.

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22517126 - 11/13/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Will get pictures up after work. I now have access to a PC so I'll probably be sterilizing from now on, but at least we know it's possible.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22518555 - 11/13/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good. Get some pics up! Looks like my pins aborted for some reason.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22518976 - 11/13/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, here you go. The first two pics are the wheat bran supplemented bag, and the last pic is a bag that I put some unbrewed coffee in with the pellets.





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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22519384 - 11/13/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Looking good! how long did it take for them to form that big and whats your fruiting temps? I just cut the tops off my bags and rigged my martha for fog.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22519510 - 11/13/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The ones in the last pic took I think about 5 days. I guess I wasn't paying to much attention. Seems to me that they grow fairly slow. Guess I'm used to pink oysters that almost grow while you watch them! Temps are about 64 degrees or so in there now. I am going to take the lids of the SGFCs at night for about 2 or 3 hours and maybe even a little more on weekends, to get some bigger caps.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22520057 - 11/13/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Why not just make more or bigger holes? Or turn the fan on a higher setting in the room.


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    #22521035 - 11/14/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Taking the lid off occasionally is just as easy.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22522293 - 11/14/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I just placed an order with outgrow for the things I think I need to start doing agar. I'm nervous, but excited. I got some PDA, gypsum (for doing spawn), a scalpel, and Tyvek sleeves. I need to make a SAB, but didn't really like the clear totes I saw at Wallyworld. Not tall enough for my liking. Will check Menards soon. I also got some 1/2 pint wide mouth jars to use as petris. Need to do some studying now. I was going to get some rye berries also, but I can get them at my supermarket cheaper after you add in shipping.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22522505 - 11/14/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Go to your local home improvement store for gypsum next time. It's only like $6 for a 40 lb bag. With grains look for a local feed store and pick them up by the sack. A 50 lb sack runs anywhere from $10-25. The most expensive is millet @ $20-25 then the cheap ones are rye, barley, oat, wheat and milo around $10-15. Pietris you will be much happier using actual peitri dishes, you can pick up 80 for like $25 on ebay. I get my agar powder from amazon then make my own PDA, much cheaper than prepared agar and its easy to make using some old potatoes. Hope this helped!


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    #22522632 - 11/14/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:  Exactly.  You can get Telephone brand agar at a Korean grocery store for cheap.  Buy multiple packets and you'll not have to go back for quite a while.  Agway sells grain, and all the rest you need can be acquired online or easily made from scratch, like an inoculation loop.

The most exciting part of agar is cloning wild specimens of edible mushrooms that you forage.  I've got grains growing out Chicken of the Woods, Oyster mushrooms, Hen of the Woods and King Stropharia, all from fruits I found while hiking in the woods this summer and fall.  :thumbup:

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22522958 - 11/14/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The most exciting part of agar is cloning wild specimens of edible mushrooms that you forage. 

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Exactly what I was thinking! I have a spore print from this mushroom:




Unfortunately, that won't produce a clone. Fortunately, I also have just a little of it growing on a piece of paper towel, and THAT will be a clone. Not sure if it will clean up very well though. I'm sure gonna give it a go!


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    #22523734 - 11/14/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I remember that image quite well - it left a lasting impression, I assure you!!  Here's the wild oyster I cloned just a few days ago.  The one on the left:



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    #22523792 - 11/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I remember that image quite well - it left a lasting impression, I assure you!!  Here's the wild oyster I cloned just a few days ago.  The one on the left:



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    #22527223 - 11/15/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Alright, here you go. The first two pics are the wheat bran supplemented bag, and the last pic is a bag that I put some unbrewed coffee in with the pellets.







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    #22527263 - 11/15/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22527748 - 11/15/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure why, but they sure seem to be growing slow. Temperatures are about 63 or so. Maybe raise temp to 68 or just let them grow slow and meaty.  Will get a few more pics up after super.


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    #22528130 - 11/15/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Here ya go. I also have my very first sawdust bag in the PC right now, cooking away. No supplements in this one because I am going to use 1.5 lbs of shiitake spawn to 3 lbs substrate. I heard that too much supplement will cause problems with shiitake, and since spawn is a supplement, I didn't want to get too crazy.

Ah shit! Just heard a "pop" inside the PC. I'm wondering if my bag didn't blow out. We'll find out in a few after it cools off enough.

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    #22528143 - 11/15/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22528150 - 11/15/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pop??  Maybe just the lid settling in?  You didn't seal the bag, right?  So why would it pop?

Here's a pix of the mycelial growth of that wild oyster mushroom after only a couple of days.  Blows my mind how fast and aggressive vigorous wild mycelium can be!



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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22528165 - 11/15/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I folded the top and put a 2.5 lb weight on it to keep it from expanding and blocking the valve. Maybe too much weight and the air couldn't escape fast enough. Just lost pressure. Will check and let the world know in a few. Might have a little clean up to do :rolleyes:


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    #22528197 - 11/15/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eeks.  Try pushing out all the air manually, then fold the bag once or twice and use a wooden clothesline spring clip to keep the steam/water from entering the bag and ruining your moisture level.  That method works well for me.  The likelihood of the bag blocking the valve is just about zero.  The rationale for clipping the bag is to preserve the field capacity of your substrate.  Hope it's nothing and everything is ship-shape in your PC!

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    #22528217 - 11/15/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OK. So the bag began to inflate and managed to slip the weight off to the side and the "pop" was actually a "thunk" when the weight fell of the side of the bag onto the bottom of the PC. No cleanup yet. So I took the weight out and refolded it. Then I just put a dinner plate on top. I'm thinking maybe the weight was right on the filter patch and not enough air could escape, causing too much expansion? It's back in the PC for another try.


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    #22528311 - 11/15/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

DAMN IT!!! Now the air vent/cover lock started leaking before I got up to 15 psi! Cooling now, again, to see what the hell is wrong now. Will fold Tyvek into opening this time to ensure pressure relief in the bag just to be sure.


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    #22528707 - 11/15/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Man, you re working hard!  Good luck. No clothes pins at home?

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22528771 - 11/15/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I got it sterilized, but the bag seems to keep wanting to unfold. I had a plate on it, and it kind of pushed it to the side and inflated half way. I will try the cloths pins next time, but won't it just push them off if it inflates?


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22529195 - 11/15/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You should put a plate or some sort of disc over the bags to keep them from plugging your vent, gauge, and overpressure relief button.


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    #22529264 - 11/15/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Um, please check the post right before yours. Had a plate on it but it was pushing it up and to the side. Will try accordion style with tyvek next time and a plate with a weight.


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    #22529443 - 11/15/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

oh i just saw weight. Was it just one bag in the PC? Maybe use a larger plate next time?


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22531093 - 11/16/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I used to have the unfolding bag problem too.  I found that the binder clips you get at Staples work well, one on each side of the bag, folded accordion style.  IME, they grab tighter than clothespins and take up less space in the PC.  I haven't had one pop off yet.  Maybe double up on plates too?

Another thing I noticed is that I have better results when I turn off the heat to the PC and let it cool down slowly on a hot stove, rather than taking it off the burner and letting it cool on the counter.  I think it's the same concept as agar boiling over.  The PC cools at a rate faster than the contents inside of it, so if the PC drops to ambient pressure too quickly, the temp of the grain can be greater than 212, causing boiling inside of your bags/jars as everything equalizes.


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    #22532136 - 11/16/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Will try the tyvek accordion fold and a heavier plate.


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    #22533816 - 11/16/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Came home from work and put my bag in the PC. Started it up, and the damn air vent/cover lock started to leak again! So I let it cool, took it apart, which of course inflated the bag. Refolded the bag (carefully as it was hot as hell), started check the air vent/cover lock for the problem. I'm thinking the gasket is dirty and not making a seal, or the gasket is bad. Then I notice that the two pieces that it consist of on both sides of the lid are loose! So when the vent thing pops up, it still doesn't completely seal because of the gap. I tightened it back up, and it works like a charm. Man, am I glad I figured that out! I was getting pretty frustrated. I'll use the two bags that I will have sterilized to make some cold weather shiitake bags. I'll have to start another thread then :laugh:.


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    #22534722 - 11/16/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22550218 - 11/20/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Seem to be having some problems with my kings. Looks like they get to a certain size and start dying from the cap down. I have been misting them directly, but leaving the lid off for a couple hours in the morning and a couple hours in the evening. I'm wondering if I'm getting them too wet. Maybe no direct misting? RH in the room is about 55%. RH in FC is about 90%, but I'm wondering if misting directly and 90% is not allowing enough evaporation off their suface. Will leave the lid off while at work and then start indirect misting in morning. Will leave lid on while at work, then at night mist directly, but leave lid off till morn.



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    #22550445 - 11/20/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I found that my yields were low (and lots of aborts) before I was able to fruit in a 95-97 % RH environment with a desktop type fan indirectly blowing to increase evaporation. Our yields were at 20% for a while and then last week I got rid of a mesh that I'd put over the fan and the yield went straight up to 25%. I think they really dig high RH and lots of air movement :smile:


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    #22550513 - 11/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I understand the humidity part. What I'm wondering about, is the direct misting that I'm doing. Maybe not such a good idea. I also have a little space heater, but I can turn on just the fan. Maybe I'll throw that in there at night.


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    #22550545 - 11/20/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We mist directly by hose morning and evening even with high humidity..


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    #22550568 - 11/20/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe I have an unseen bacteria :shrug:


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    #22550605 - 11/20/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm.... I doubt it, I think its just lack of RH. Kings are very susceptible to bacterial blotch but your photo doesn't show anything that suggests that. I think misting alone can't replace the high RH. If you watch the mushrooms for a while after misting them you will see that their surface dries very quickly. So they are humid for a short while at the start and end of the day but the rest of the day they are dry. Casing with peat would go someway to compensate for this because it creates a high RH microclimate. (I can't remember if you're in bags or columns, obviously casing columns is a tricky one :P )


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22550616 - 11/20/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

They're in bags. I'll try keeping the RH higher. Even in the SGFC I can keep it at around 85 to 95 at all times.


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    #22550625 - 11/20/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Have you tried leaving the bag closed with a clothespeg inbetween mistings? Obviously casing would help again in this situation...


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Have you tried leaving the bag closed with a clothespeg inbetween mistings? Obviously casing would help again in this situation...



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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22564320 - 11/23/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure what is going on with these. There are some healthy looking fruits but at least half look like this. The last picture is where I cut a cluster off. They seem soft and spongy.









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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22564641 - 11/23/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Whats your RH? They look dry. Dont cut clusters, twist and pull.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22564780 - 11/23/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

RH stays at 75%-90%. Temp is 59-63.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22564812 - 11/23/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Kings really need 95+ I run mine at 96-98%. When i mist i get the walls and door and it sticks at 100% for about three hours before all the water evaporates.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22566216 - 11/24/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yep, needs to be real high. Mine dropped to about 90-94 this week with a change in temperatures and I can see the difference straight away


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22570445 - 11/24/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Not sure what is going on with these. There are some healthy looking fruits but at least half look like this. The last picture is where I cut a cluster off. They seem soft and spongy.









Looks like they are being eatin up by trichoderma mold. Is there green spores any where on the back side of those bags.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: lipa]
    #22570520 - 11/24/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No green anywhere that I can see. I wonder if it's in the center of the bag.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22570686 - 11/24/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Id say we already kind of have it singled out to RH%


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22571313 - 11/25/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It may very likely be the RH considering they're in a SGFC, but I still like to hear other opinions. There's allot of experience here in the Shroomery, and there may be more than one cause. I'll look the bags over better once my coffee kicks in. A contamination is not out of the question, considering I did thiese bags before I had a PC.


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    #22572181 - 11/25/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you mist throughout the day? and if so do you spray down the walls and lid?


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    #22572200 - 11/25/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you mist throughout the day? and if so do you spray down the walls and lid?



If I am working I mist the hell out of them in the morning, when I get home, and before bed. Tub, mushrooms, and lid. If I am off work, I mist probably 6-8 times a day. I was avoiding misting the mushrooms themselves because I though they may get soggy but in the last 3 days or so, I'm misting everything. The bag that is in that FC, which I supplemented has tons of pins. Hope at least 7 or 8 make nice big fruits!


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    #22573107 - 11/25/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Not sure what is going on with these. There are some healthy looking fruits but at least half look like this. The last picture is where I cut a cluster off. They seem soft and spongy.









Looks like they are being eatin up by trichoderma mold. Is there green spores any where on the back side of those bags.




I kinda agree. They look a little diseased to me.  There's definitely some funk growing on the bottom stems if you look closely, probably mold.

Are you having problems with gnats or have you picked any and examined the stems/butts closely for mites?


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    #22573194 - 11/25/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Only saw one gnat in the room. No mites. I removed the sick looking ones. I have a few nice looking fruits still there.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22576091 - 11/25/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've noticed that my kings have a tendency to return to vegetative growth on the stems if they are too wet (I saw this more when I was running at lower RH and without enough turbulence in the FC. I think that is what the white fluff is on the stems, not mold.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22576750 - 11/26/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I've noticed that my kings have a tendency to return to vegetative growth on the stems if they are too wet (I saw this more when I was running at lower RH and without enough turbulence in the FC. I think that is what the white fluff is on the stems, not mold.



I believe you are correct. Looks to me like mycelial growth.


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    #22589217 - 11/29/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Seeing a few more gnats. Man I hate those little fuckers. Most likely from the plants in that room. I'll have to add a bit of dish soap to my water when I water them for the next month or so. Seems to help control them in plants, but you have to do it for at least a month to get through a whole life cycle.


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    #22593446 - 11/30/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not doing so well with this experiment. They just don't seem to do well. Slow slow growth. Soft stems. Yellowing. Few fruits.

I've narrowed it down to just about anything :grin: Where do I start. The only thing I don't think it is, might be trich. Even then you can never be sure what's in the center of that bag. Could be bacteria (my guess), since I didn't sterilize. Could be too much water directly on the mushrooms. Could be fungus gnats, although I have seen very few really. Maybe blotch? I have taken a few pics of the cross section of the stems. There is obvious yellow, and the stem is soft.







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    #22593551 - 11/30/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

what temp are you at (forgive if already said, time limited today)


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    #22593578 - 11/30/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty steady at 63. I put a small fan in the room and will try to run it about 15 minutes, 6-8 times a day. I need to get a timer. Not sure what else to try.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22593613 - 11/30/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Whats your RH and what are you using to read RH. When is the last time you calibrated it?


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    #22593642 - 11/30/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

RH staying at 90-98. I just have a little digital RH/temp device. Not expensive, but I believe it's fairly accurate. After all, I just have a couple SGFC.


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    #22593732 - 11/30/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Can you drop the temp? I had trouble that gave me similar looking results at 18C, much better at 15-16


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    #22593815 - 11/30/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you drop the temp? I had trouble that gave me similar looking results at 18C, much better at 15-16



Sure, I can drop the temp to that pretty easy. I just thought they would grow a bit faster at 63. They seem so slow. I guess I'm used to the other oysters. Pinks grow so fast, I guess I was expecting these to be a little bit faster.


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    #22593878 - 11/30/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have a photo of some mush that I harvested when the temp was too high (can't find it right now) but they looked like yours. They are slower than other Oysters but you're getting something of a far superior quality :wink: My harvest generally falls between the 14th and 16th day in fruiting (at 15-16)


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22595892 - 11/30/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like water spotting. I've seen this sometimes from casings or sub. that are over saturated or from to much moisture without proper evaporation happening.


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    #22611735 - 12/04/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well at least I'm getting something off of these things. I made 2 of the supplemented bags. This is the only one that is doing pretty good. Now that I have a PC I should be able to get better results once I get another king culture started. I have 3 petri dishes with 1st transfer just starting to show some growth.





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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22611742 - 12/04/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Those look good!

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    #22611744 - 12/04/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I barrowed one from a family member, so I didn't really have a choice. It's a 23qt Presto. Works just fine for me.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22611893 - 12/04/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I was making due with a 18qt presto up until a few weeks ago. Cant beat the value. Your kings are looking real good. And that's in some sort of SGFC? I noticed you don't have any damp perlite in the bottom? That's typically how SGFC keep there RH stable.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22611954 - 12/04/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No pearlite. They don't seem to mind the fluctuation between 75-99 in humidity. Just one less thing to worry about. I set up a small fan a few days ago to run for 10 minutes every 4 hours. I think they like it.


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    #22614275 - 12/04/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Since I dropped the temps to 55-59 and put the fan in the room, they really look better. Seems they really appreciate the air movement.


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    #22621326 - 12/06/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I took some tissue from one of the few early fruits that grew, and made this LC from agar plates. Not to bad so far for my first LC. Of course it could still go bad, but I sure hope not.



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    #22624655 - 12/07/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I guess supplementing does work. Finally got something worthwhile off of one of the supplemented bags. Used Lipa's tek on it.



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    #22649597 - 12/13/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Another 5.2oz off the same bag. That makes 18.3oz off this bag. If I did my calculations correctly, I got 27% yield off this bag altogether so far. Here's the ingredients:

3lb fuel pellets
4oz wheat bran
16 oz grain spawn

I can't say for sure if my success with this bag is due to supplementing, but it sure looks that way. I only had 4oz of wheat bran in that bag. I just made a golden oyster bag about a week ago, with 8oz. I sure hope it produces as well as this bag!



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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22651528 - 12/13/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Looks good! I saw the same contamination rates with 10% bran lipa bags as no bran. 20% bran is another story...


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    #22684008 - 12/21/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I thought maybe this bag was done, but looks like I'll get a few more. Would be great if I could get another 5 or 6 more oz off it.



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    #22698603 - 12/25/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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    #22713544 - 12/29/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

And yet a few more from this block. I'll have to see how light it is, and maybe try to soak it. Maybe I can squeeze out even more out of this block!



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    #22714265 - 12/29/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:congrats:

All in all I'd say you were well rewarded in that grow.  I didn't take any pix (shame on me!) but I had two blocks of Black Poplar on 25% supplemented wood pellets and I ended up with more mushrooms than my wife and I could possibly consume, right before Xmas.  Had some serious bunches of monster-sized shrooms, mostly around the edges of the cut bags, but one giant cluster appeared dead-center on one block.  Probably weighed more than 400 grams all by itself...

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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22714378 - 12/29/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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All in all I'd say you were well rewarded in that grow.  I didn't take any pix (shame on me!) but I had two blocks of Black Poplar on 25% supplemented wood pellets and I ended up with more mushrooms than my wife and I could possibly consume, right before Xmas.  Had some serious bunches of monster-sized shrooms, mostly around the edges of the cut bags, but one giant cluster appeared dead-center on one block.  Probably weighed more than 400 grams all by itself...

Waiting now on the second flush.

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Considering it was just an experiment, I did really good. Now that I'm able to PC my substrate, I should do as good, or better. Love kings! Very meaty and tasty! I have pioppino growing out on plates now. I might have to do a bag of those soon. I think I read somewhere that they will grow right in the closed bag. That would be pretty cool.


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Re: King Oyster and Pasturized Fuel Pellets with Wheat Bran [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22714836 - 12/29/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Nice cluster jim! I've been getting nice flushes off my lipa bags as well. I tried dunking a few of bags for a 3rd flush and it was pathetic, hopefully you will see better results dunking then i did. I just filled each bag with water upto the casing, soaked overnight, then drained.


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    #22717491 - 12/30/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I know that this should probably go in the cooking forum or whatever it's called, but I wanted to put it here because this is where the mushrooms came from. Sliced, battered with homemade tempura, and fried till beautifully brown and crispy. They were awesome!



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