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zappaisgod
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
#22397656 - 10/18/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations.
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zappaisgod said: Water shortages are strictly local issues.
Ergo they are an issue.
As it has ever been. Not a lot of agriculture in the Sahara.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22397674 - 10/18/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cattle consume grass for the majority of their lives, grass, outside of well maintained lawns, it watered by the rain, just as the corn crop that cows are supposedly fed.
Augmented, for both dairy and beef cattle, with protein rich foods which more often than not include soy produced in South America on burnt-down forest grounds (in addition to the byproducts that you mentioned). I know that you have very particular ideas of how cattle is being fed, but you've never told the whole truth on the matter. Either because you don't know, or you don't want to. Frankly, I don't care, as I know better. The absolutes you deal in are no better than those of the greentard vegans you keep whining about.
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I've never in my life seen a 'factory farm' for anything but poultry
Pork.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22397677 - 10/18/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what's the opinion in here on Pollan's Omnivore's Dilemma?
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22397694 - 10/18/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cattle consume grass for the majority of their lives, grass, outside of well maintained lawns, it watered by the rain, just as the corn crop that cows are supposedly fed.
Augmented, for both dairy and beef cattle, with protein rich foods which more often than not include soy produced in South America on burnt-down forest grounds (in addition to the byproducts that you mentioned). I know that you have very particular ideas of how cattle is being fed, but you've never told the whole truth on the matter. Either because you don't know, or you don't want to. Frankly, I don't care, as I know better. The absolutes you deal in are no better than those of the greentard vegans you keep whining about.
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I've never in my life seen a 'factory farm' for anything but poultry
Pork.
All of the water just passes through. It is not destroyed.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22397705 - 10/18/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you sure? Welcome to Saudi Arabia:


Or Jordan:

Or Arizona:

And right back to Saudi Arabia:
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22397712 - 10/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: what's the opinion in here on Pollan's Omnivore's Dilemma?
I'm very skeptical of the hosanna that we hear about organic this and that and I think his findings are an eye opener to those who insist on believing in fairy tales on either side of the debate.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22397715 - 10/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your point? They are what we call deserts. No water was harmed to make them.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22397718 - 10/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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awesome.
heh heh heh someone i know is going to be reading that. LOL organic food and vegetarianism isn't the ANSWER?! OH NO!
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22397723 - 10/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: All of the water just passes through. It is not destroyed.
I agree. Just like all energy is preserved and so are carbon and oxygen atoms. Having said that, I was addressing the food chain aspect, not the water management aspect. It has its own issues, but I agree with you that it's a local availability issue. I also know it's related to depletion of local aquifers and that an abundant supply of cheap energy would effectively solve any issues related to the supply of clean water.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22397736 - 10/18/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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financial because people like Kanye have lush, green lawns in California while the poor cant afford to water theirs every day

and it's a mental issue because only crazy people would think it's a great idea to raise crops that require fuckloads of water in arid climates using irrigation systems that deplete the drinking water
I'm a member of a music group on Facebook. Somebody posited this.
"John Lennon was killed by a fan. Where are Kanye's fans when we need them?"
hahaha... I think kanye is actually very wealthy, he buys his own shit to make himself seem a lot more popular than he really is
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22397783 - 10/18/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lennon, "Imagine no possessions", was also rich as fuck.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22397786 - 10/18/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think he sure had a hard time imagining no possessions. I doubt he ever really tried.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22397792 - 10/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He said it was easy.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22397811 - 10/18/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cattle consume grass for the majority of their lives, grass, outside of well maintained lawns, it watered by the rain, just as the corn crop that cows are supposedly fed.
Augmented, for both dairy and beef cattle, with protein rich foods which more often than not include soy produced in South America on burnt-down forest grounds (in addition to the byproducts that you mentioned). I know that you have very particular ideas of how cattle is being fed, but you've never told the whole truth on the matter. Either because you don't know, or you don't want to. Frankly, I don't care, as I know better. The absolutes you deal in are no better than those of the greentard vegans you keep whining about.
clearly you havent read what I've been writing on the subject then. wanna know what forage is high in protien and frequently used for cattle?
alfalfa
the crude protein content of corn is about 9%, only 40% of that is capable of being used by ruminants, alfalfa on the other hand contains 15%-21% crude protein with a lot more that is digestible by ruminant, hay and pasture contain between 8% and 14% protein
so no, protein isnt the reason why they receive corn as a supplement in their diets as opposed to the being a complete diet as most vegans/animal rights activists would have you believe
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I've never in my life seen a 'factory farm' for anything but poultry
Pork.
I see photos of people claiming something to be a factory pig farm, typically a large building and nothing more. I've never seen this in real life, I've seen pig houses where pigs are bred, farrowing cages that help to support the survival of piglets but I've never seen one of these 'factory pig farms'
of course we can break it all down to the dollars to see how feasible it is to raise pigs in confinement just as I've done repeatedly with the claims on cows
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22397827 - 10/18/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Your point? They are what we call deserts. No water was harmed to make them.
Are you really that stupid?
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Fossil water is, by definition, a non-renewable resource.[1] Whereas most aquifers are naturally replenished by infiltration of water from precipitation, fossil aquifers are those that get little or no recharge.[2] The extraction of water from such non-replenishing groundwater reserves (known as low safe-yield reserves) is known in hydrology as water mining.[3] If water is pumped from a well at a withdrawal rate that exceeds the natural recharge rate (which, in a fossil aquifer, is very low or zero), the water table drops, forming a depression in the water levels around the well.[2]
Aquifer drawdown or overdrafting and the pumping of fossil water increases the total amount of water in the hydrosphere, and may be responsible for up to one quarter of the Earth's total sea level rise since the beginning of the 20th century.[4]
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22397835 - 10/18/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I eat meat because something has to die in order for me to live
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22397866 - 10/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Your point? They are what we call deserts. No water was harmed to make them.
Are you really that stupid?
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Fossil water is, by definition, a non-renewable resource.[1] Whereas most aquifers are naturally replenished by infiltration of water from precipitation, fossil aquifers are those that get little or no recharge.[2] The extraction of water from such non-replenishing groundwater reserves (known as low safe-yield reserves) is known in hydrology as water mining.[3] If water is pumped from a well at a withdrawal rate that exceeds the natural recharge rate (which, in a fossil aquifer, is very low or zero), the water table drops, forming a depression in the water levels around the well.[2]
Aquifer drawdown or overdrafting and the pumping of fossil water increases the total amount of water in the hydrosphere, and may be responsible for up to one quarter of the Earth's total sea level rise since the beginning of the 20th century.[4]
where does that 'fossil water' go once it's pumped out of the aquifer? is ig gone forever from the planet? was it ejected into the sun? maybe carried away by aliens in their huge water consuming space craft?
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22397958 - 10/18/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Come on m8 you know why it's important - having a locally well accessible water source has many distinct advantages over being dependent on non-local sources of water.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22398027 - 10/18/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only eat meat because I work out and need protein. However, those who consume meat everyday with no type of physical exercise or weight lifting are at risk for health problems later. There was a documentary I watched some months back that proves how all our food is pumped with addictives and antibiotics given to the farm animals. I should just switch to plant based protein foods. If I was rich I would shop at whole foods but every item there is like $9 +. People get obese and unhealthy not just from eating junk food but eating the recommended "3 meals a day" when in reality you're supposed to space out your meals every two hours and make them smaller.
People also eat too fast. I eat really slow giving my body time to know when enough is enough. Plus everyone eats out 24/7. On top of wasting money and being lazy wanting self gratification everyday, cook your own meals in preparation for the week. I cook chicken mainly. And just eat that all week. Sometimes celery and broccoli. But I also eat lots of other things.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: twighead]
#22398041 - 10/18/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Location, location, location. No water was harmed in the making of that post. Fossil water, LOL. The latest cause celebre of the whackjob class.
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