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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22397223 - 10/18/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The water consumption of most vegetables is much, much lower than any sort of cattle. Because you need to farm to feed cattle in the first place.



Also, meat does not feed people. Food does. Instead of feeding on chicken nuggets, you could feed on rice. You do not need such a high daily protein intake, especially if you spend your days sitting at a desk like most people do. Eating meat once a week is completely fine.

Bodybuilders need a lot of protein, yes. But when I'm taking a walk outside, I don't see bodybuilders, I see fat people. And I don't think they need meat that bad.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Achillita]
    #22397242 - 10/18/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I honestly doubt all the claims that most meat is raised in these cattle prisons. I used to work on my grandpa's ranch as a teen in oklahoma. I would bet that cows outnumber humans in oklahoma.





the retarded vegans want you to believe this is the case, I've never in my
life seen a 'factory farm' for anything but poultry and then even the free
range poultry is more often than not raised in the same conditions as any
other chicken or turkey. free range in the poultry market simply means that
the chicken has the ability to leave the building they're raised in, it
doesnt mean that they were actually raised outside

free range is merely a marketing term to absolve the meat eating hippies
of their guilt associated with eating meat, if they still want meat while
getting it guilt free then they need to start sucking dick because that's
the only guilt free meat available


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha] * 1
    #22397244 - 10/18/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Kukaracha said:
The water consumption of most vegetables is much, much lower than any sort of cattle. Because you need to farm to feed cattle in the first place.





bullshit

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Also, meat does not feed people. Food does.




so meat isnt food?


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22397255 - 10/18/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations.  Water is not destroyed when it is used.  It just goes back to the ocean and then evaporates and the cycle repeats and repeats and repeats.  Water shortages are strictly local issues.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22397256 - 10/18/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

more vegetables. more meat.

more food = better.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #22397258 - 10/18/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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debatable mate. Modern cows evolved from aurochs. They went extinct from human hunting. Same with bison. Boar still exist in the wild perfectly fine. Same with turkeys. And chicken evovled from a wild flightless bird in southeast asia. fish were doing fine until we started overfishing





Bison are not extinct.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22397259 - 10/18/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Guess what a tiger considers as food.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22397262 - 10/18/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Guess what a tiger considers as food.





Brussel sprouts?


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22397263 - 10/18/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Kukaracha said:
The water consumption of most vegetables is much, much lower than any sort of cattle. Because you need to farm to feed cattle in the first place.





bullshit




Such a compelling argument.

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Also, meat does not feed people. Food does.




so meat isnt food?



Rice is food.
Meat is food.
If you need food, you can eat either meat or rice.
Unless you need to follow a high protein diet, you can eat rice just fine, and reduce your meat intake.

And so the argument that "I need meat because I need food" is void.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22397265 - 10/18/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
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zappaisgod said:
Guess what a tiger considers as food.





Brussel sprouts?



Akiras and lowbrows


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22397266 - 10/18/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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In the end, whatever your point of view is, the reasons to cut back on your meat consumption are just too numerous.

Don't care about animals? Fine, do you care about ecology?
Don't care about ecology? Fine, do you care about your kids' future?
Don't care about your kids? Fine, do you care about yourself?

In the end, the only way to enjoy meat daily is to not care at all about anything, including your health.

Massive meat consumption :
- is industrial torture and slaughter to ensure that you get the cheapest product,
- is a wasteful production extremely demanding in terms of water,
- has a huge impact on carbon emissions,
- is equal to massive antibiotic intake, since raised animals are in such poor health they take vertiginous amounts of complements and medicine,
- is expensive,
- is bad for your health as it is a high-fat diet leading to cancer, liver and heart problems.

To each his own but at some point you have to call out people on this sort of behaviour.





I'm 6'1" 220lbs and 11.6 percent body fat as of friday. Pretty fucking strong too. Checked out healthy as fuck 2 months ago during my last ball fondling(physical). 

I am living proof that eating meat is okay and perfectly healthy the problem is not meat it's lazy soft pieces of shit. You say most Americans lives sedimentary life styles... Key work right there, lifestyle is the problem. I go to the gym for an hour and a half to 2 hours every other day for free weights and Olympic lifts. That is not a huge chunk of time at all. A healthy active functioning body benefits from a diet high in animal protein. Obviously gets greens and shit in too. But I've seen the results of vegan athletes. They do not even come close to comparing to the carnivorous counterparts.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22397268 - 10/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And so the argument that "I need meat because I need food" is void.




I eat meat because it tastes good.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22397275 - 10/18/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

see my argument: what are we even having this argument for?

more food equals better life.

why NOT raise animals for meat? do animals just stop at the buck? no they keep growing and growing, so why not use them?

plus i do believe that the ecosystem is reliant on our keeping animal populations in check so that we don't lose any particular species of plant or animal &c.

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Akiras and lowbrows



that's my point! ecologically speaking, we need to conserve our species by eating others. as someone said earlier...life feeds on life.

and i will eat the very light of a cow, no Hindu will stop that.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22397305 - 10/18/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations.




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zappaisgod said:
Water shortages are strictly local issues.




Ergo they are an issue.

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zappaisgod said:
I eat meat because it tastes good.




"I don't care" is a perfectly fine argument (though not the most admirable one must admit).

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why NOT raise animals for meat? do animals just stop at the buck? no they keep growing and growing, so why not use them?

plus i do believe that the ecosystem is reliant on our keeping animal populations in check so that we don't lose any particular species of plant or animal &c.




Why not? See this thread or my post above. Though I personally never said we shouldn't do it altogether.

You also raise an interesting point here, as industrial meat production has caused numerous extinctions because we A)needed land B)did not care about a less productive species c)consumed to much of a certain species (see the state of halieutic reserves).


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22397318 - 10/18/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well, i didn't see your post honestly. there should be care taken in the preservation of our environment, but that doesn't mean we should stop eating meat, if that's what you're getting at, and if not, then i have no quarrel with what you've said. :shrug:

what did you say?


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22397325 - 10/18/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations.  Water is not destroyed when it is used.  It just goes back to the ocean and then evaporates and the cycle repeats and repeats and repeats. 





which is why it's bullshit

these retards pushing the water footprint want to include water on corn and base
it off a model in which cattle only eat corn, I've demonstrated more times than I
care to remember that this is yet another falsehood to push a vegan agenda by
animal rights activists when the reality is that cattle consume grass for the
majority of their lives, grass, outside of well maintained lawns, it watered by
the rain, just as the corn crop that cows are supposedly fed. now unlike himans,
cows are fed the 'left overs' of the corn raised for human consumption, shouldnt
that also apply to the human food water consumption since it was humans that
wasted all of that water to only use the palatable parts of the plant and
completely waste the rest


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Water shortages are strictly local issues.




I'm beginning to think it's a financial/mental issue


financial because people like Kanye have lush, green lawns in California while
the poor cant afford to water theirs every day



and it's a mental issue because only crazy people would think it's a great idea
to raise crops that require fuckloads of water in arid climates using irrigation
systems that deplete the drinking water


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22397333 - 10/18/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's simply misguided.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22397343 - 10/18/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Kukaracha said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Kukaracha said:
The water consumption of most vegetables is much, much lower than any sort of cattle. Because you need to farm to feed cattle in the first place.





bullshit




Such a compelling argument.




a factual argument

Quote:

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Also, meat does not feed people. Food does.




so meat isnt food?



Rice is food.
Meat is food.
If you need food, you can eat either meat or rice.
Unless you need to follow a high protein diet, you can eat rice just fine, and reduce your meat intake.

And so the argument that "I need meat because I need food" is void.




so then meat does in fact feed people

this vegan push doesnt hold true. I say we start an experiment, we feed the
farmers that grow your food nothing but rice, how long do you think it will be
before you starve because they're malnourished and unable to grow your food


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22397545 - 10/18/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

As if vegans only eat rice :facepalm:

A grain, a bean and a green!

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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22397648 - 10/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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financial because people like Kanye have lush, green lawns in California while
the poor cant afford to water theirs every day



and it's a mental issue because only crazy people would think it's a great idea
to raise crops that require fuckloads of water in arid climates using irrigation
systems that deplete the drinking water




I'm a member of a music group on Facebook.  Somebody posited this.

"John Lennon was killed by a fan.  Where are Kanye's fans when we need them?"


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