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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: 404]
    #22437084 - 10/26/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've had three. 




what do you mean three, three cancer scares?




No.





uh ok. so what do you mean then??




I mean I really had them and I wasn't scared.  From my understanding a cancer scare is when you might have cancer based on some test results but do not upon further testing


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22438012 - 10/26/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had a cancer scare this morning. I felt a lump in the bottom of my gums, considering I'm a heavy smoker it scared me shitless.

Then it popped out, turned out to be some pork cartilage.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22438880 - 10/27/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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An interesting addition to the debate: some meats linked to cancer.

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Eating processed meat, like hot dogs and corned beef, can raise the risk in humans of getting colon cancer, a report by the World Health Organization said on Monday.

There was also some evidence that eating red meat, including beef, pork and lamb, can cause cancer in the colon, prostate or pancreas, the W.H.O.’s International Agency for Research on Cancer said in the report.

The report was released after a team of 22 public health, cancer and other experts from 10 countries, reviewed 800 studies on the disease in humans, and sifted through epidemiological data on the consumption of processed and red meats.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/health/report-links-some-types-of-cancer-with-processed-or-red-meat.html

http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf



Study was debunked. Anyone else laughing at the WHO?


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Webster10]
    #22438893 - 10/27/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

proof it was debunked?


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: 404] * 2
    #22439019 - 10/27/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Though not really "debunking" the story, there is an interesting analysis of the information here:
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/10/26/processed-meat-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/

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But before we move on, let’s be clear: yes, a prolonged high-meat diet isn’t terribly good for you. But a steak, bacon sandwich or sausage bap a few times a week probably isn’t much to worry about. And overall the risks are much lower than for other things linked to cancer – such as smoking.




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The results showed that those who ate the most processed meat had around a 17 per cent higher risk of developing bowel cancer, compared to those who ate the least.

‘17 per cent’ sounds like a fairly big number – but this is a ‘relative’ risk, so let’s put it into perspective, and convert it to absolute numbers. Remember these are all ball-park figures – everyone’s risk will be different as there are many different factors at play.

We know that, out of every 1000 people in the UK, about 61 will develop bowel cancer at some point in their lives. Those who eat the lowest amount of processed meat are likely to have a lower lifetime risk than the rest of the population (about 56 cases per 1000 low meat-eaters).

If this is correct, the WCRF’s analysis suggests that, among 1000 people who eat the most processed meat, you’d expect 66 to develop bowel cancer at some point in their lives – 10 more than the group who eat the least processed meat.




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Processed meat has been classified as a ‘definite’ cause of cancer (or Group 1 carcinogen) – the same group that includes smoking and alcohol. And red meat is a ‘probable’ cause of cancer (or a Group 2a carcinogen) – the same group as shift work. While this may sound alarming, it’s important to remember that these groups show how confident IARC is that red and processed meat cause cancer, not how much cancer they cause.

As we wrote when we covered a previous IARC decision on diesel emissions, and interviewed one of our experts in the causes of cancer:

    As Professor Phillips explains, “IARC does ‘hazard identification’, not ‘risk assessment’.

    “That sounds quite technical, but what it means is that IARC isn’t in the business of telling us how potent something is in causing cancer – only whether it does so or not”, he says.

    To take an analogy, think of banana skins. They definitely can cause accidents, explains Phillips, but in practice this doesn’t happen very often (unless you work in a banana factory). And the sort of harm you can come to from slipping on a banana skin isn’t generally as severe as, say, being in a car accident.

    But under a hazard identification system like IARC’s, ‘banana skins’ and ‘cars’ would come under the same category – they both definitely do cause accidents.

To put things in perspective, let’s look at how red and processed meat stack up against smoking:





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In 2011, scientists estimated that around 3 in every hundred cancers in the UK were due to eating too much red and processed meat (that’s around 8,800 cases every year). This compares against 64,500 cases every year caused by smoking (or 19 per cent of all cancers).





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None of this means that a single meat-based meal is ‘bad for you’. What it does mean is that regularly eating large amounts of red and processed meat, over a long period of time, is probably not the best approach if you’re aiming to live a long and healthy life. Meat is fine in moderation – it’s a good source of some nutrients such as protein, iron and zinc. It’s just about being sensible, and not eating too much, too often.

So how much is a ‘sensible’ amount of meat? This is a much trickier question to answer. The evidence so far doesn’t point to a particular amount that’s, in terms of cancer risk, likely to be ‘too much’. All we can say is that on the whole, the risk is lower the less you eat. Based on a  range of health considerations, the Government advises people who eat more than 90g (cooked weight) of red and/or processed meat a day should cut down to 70g or less.




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So if you’re someone who has a very meaty diet, and you’re worried about cancer, you may want to think about cutting down. That doesn’t mean you need to start stocking up on tofu, unless you want to, it just means trying to eat smaller and fewer portions (by adding in more vegetables, beans and pulses – remember the eatwell plate?), or choosing chicken or fish instead. As we said above, there’s no strong evidence linking fresh white meats such as chicken, turkey, or fish to any types of cancer.




And just an interesting note found on a different site:
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While the IARC researchers are satisfied of the link between processed meat and cancer, they are less confident about the role red meat plays in cancer risk.

"Chance, bias and confounding could not be ruled out ... since no clear association was seen in several of the high quality studies and [the influence] from other diet and lifestyle risk is difficult to exclude."



http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cancer-red-meat-processed-1.3288601

One category (low-quality processed meats) is considered to definitely cause cancer, but the likelihood is low.
The second category may cause cancer, but so may doing shift work.

The important thing to do is eat a balanced diet instead of gorging like a pig.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: 404]
    #22439083 - 10/27/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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proof it was debunked?



They didn't adjust for lifestyle and other dietary factors. Pathetic study is pathetic.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Webster10]
    #22440702 - 10/27/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Link, source? As far as I know there is no "debunking", only what SweetLeaf posted above which doesn't contradict the study.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22440725 - 10/27/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, I'm absolutely positive we dont need vegetables




I don't know what to say to ignorance like this.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22440732 - 10/27/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We've known for a long ass time that especially certain processed red meats can be bad for you.
This isn't new news, but what the sensationalism fails to take into account is that quality of the meat is first and foremost followed by how it is processed and cooked.
And different people thrive on different diets, so there is never a one-size fits all approach. But it's generally agreed that a diverse diet is best.
Moderation is key with everything.
+ Almost anything can cause cancer if taken to extreme excess. Water will fucking kill you if you drink enough of it fast enough.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22440742 - 10/27/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, I'm absolutely positive we dont need vegetables




I don't know what to say to ignorance like this.



Pretty sure pris was being sarcastic :lol:


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Achillita]
    #22440747 - 10/27/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Or maybe Pris knows someone who survived solely on meat & cheese & bread.. I know I do.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Achillita]
    #22440752 - 10/27/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Y'all should actually read the whole Times article instead of just the headline


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22445114 - 10/28/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's simple, you don't publish a study and then bam, people stop eating processed meat.

In fact, did you know that tobacco was known to cause cancer ever since the 1940s? Nazi scientists had already found a correlation between cigarette smoke and lung cancer. Studies were repeated in the 50s till the 70s, concluding year after year that tobacco was probably a major carcinogenic. In the 1970s, there was an almost absolute consensus about the matter within the scientific community, yet it took ages for the public and governments to adjust. The industrial lobby played a large role in this: their strategy was to use the caution of the scientific language to point out that nothing was "100% certain" and to make the public think that there was a debate when 99,99% of the scientific community had no doubt at all.

Same goes for global warming. There is a strong scientific consensus but lobbies try to create doubt in the public debate.

The most fascinating thing is that those responsible for this are alwyas the same PR firms and the same scientists, namely Fred Seitz and Fred Singer, who were paid to be the "scientifical voices" of this PR stunt.

So this is why the WHO is coming at the public again with a new study. Facts are known, but you need to repeat and repeat and repeat them and do more and more research for them to have any sort of impact.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
    #22445905 - 10/28/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just ate a large piece of cow meat AKA beef. From the Mexican supermarket. It was delicious.

The more I think about it, the less I admire myself for eating it, and the more I want to be a vegetarian.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Luueschen]
    #22446219 - 10/28/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm gonna go on eating meat 'til I die.  If that's what makes me die, so be it.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22446275 - 10/28/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Or maybe Pris knows someone who survived solely on meat & cheese & bread.. I know I do.



I hardly ate any vegetables or fruits until about a year ago. I wasn't physically fit but mentally I was fine, if not above average.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22446491 - 10/28/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Or maybe Pris knows someone who survived solely on meat & cheese & bread.. I know I do.





I lived for 20 years on meat, I was also in the best shape of my life,
when I started eating veggies and shit I started putting on weight,
I went from 135 to 160. my bloodwork at around 18 years showed normal
cholesterol and triglicerides, everything was in the normal range
except my calcium levels and it was only a little low

we can get all the nutrition we need from red meat


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22446637 - 10/28/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

meat turns us into savages

carnivores vs herbivores bro, the differences between those two are uncanny


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #22446662 - 10/28/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The difference between your ass and mouth is uncanny too.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22446677 - 10/28/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yea that's what ur mom said last night bech :whatyougonnado:


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