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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22429929 - 10/24/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're saying martial artists aren't athletes? I consider the BJJ lessons I've taken an athletic endeavor. Many people on this board would think you are a dipshit just by that statement you made.



Who do you train under? I trained with Gracie Barra in SD. Also did Muay Thai with Alex Palma at Blackhouse in Miramar.

Edit: though i'd never consider myself a fighter b/c i didn't ever get paid to fight pofessionally. It was a exercise based hobby..





Athletics doesn't have to be pay based man. Taken lessons at the gracie arizona jj academy and private lessons with a couple buddies who are air bourne cav scouts. Proud to say that for how much shit talking they did when it came to sparring none pinned me and these are active and ex military. Surprisingly squirmy for 6 foot 1 220-225 lbs depending on water retention, have i taken a shit, you know the deal. Muay thai is actually what I have been looking into for good schools right now but am having a hard time commiting because to be honest judo also fascinates me. And given my size judo would be a nice one to learn. not a fan of upright on my feet. comfy on the ground and i think thats because of the supplemental wrestling in hs in off season for football. Might just wait for my friend to come into town again and go check a few out with me.


Also at 175 lbs vs 220 at the same height. my caloric and protein needs are much much different than yours. Last time I weighed 175 I was doing alot of black tar




My cousin lives in AZ and got really fucked up off black tar and is still a junkie :syringe:, good for you for getting out of it. But yeah we used to have military guys come in from Camp Pendalton all the time, i was 15-17 when i practiced BJJ (never did Gi though) and Muay Thai so its been 3 years but the military dudes would almost always be by beaten a triangle or a armlock when they bulldozed me on my back. I'd get dudes who were 50 pounds heavier b/c they just had no technique or defense, just brute force which as i'm sure you know does not work in BJJ. It's all technique. Anyways man im getting out of this thread later dude


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22430087 - 10/24/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd have to disagree about the just technique bit. Strength matters in any fighting style and while yes a black belt can beat a novice. If that bigger guy has any knowledge of how to fight on the ground the weaker smaller dude is usually fucked. It's pretty much why I was able to squirm out of shit with my military buddies was brute force. Another benefit is I have extremely strong legs from football. As soon as any of them got in my guard I locked those ankles and squeeze. Air goes out but has an extremely hard time going back in. Air is your power. No air and you are fucked.

I understand its not pure man handling someone and pinning them. That will get you choked out. Smaller guys try and pride themselves on the technique thing all the time like strength training and trying to gain a few lbs on muscle is a waste of time and for the "meat heads" when to the contrary there are plenty of lifts that will help you with fighting especially hitting power. Curling in the mirror fuck no. Power clean push press and weighted dips along with kettle bells? fuck yes. Its all in the training. Personally I hate the hypertrophy 10x3 bs. Im guessing you dont lift so ill explain but there are two ways to train hypertrophy (aesthetics) and power (athletics). Hypertrophy is standing in the mirror focusing on strict form and getting "the pump". Power is olympic lifting. You ever see the Olympic clean and jerks? some little asian dude getting twice his body weight or more over his head. I Haaaaaate the hypertrophy side of lifting. I think its a bunch of pretty boy bullshit and personally look down on "bodybuilding" like the olympia compared to other styles or forms.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22430214 - 10/25/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's a simplistic and stupid way to evaluate foods nutrition. A thousand calories of fatbare not the same as a thousand of suger.
I get my info from alot of atheletes and health people on Joe Rogan who are in that world. Grain has similar toxens to unsoaked beans, called lectins. I know about grain. I don;t need your link. It's quite simple, and throwing around 'moderation' doesn't make your ignorant posts less so. If you want fiber, ear some veggies. I worry about eating seeds in general. plants sometimes chemically protect them





dude. you cant even spell toxins and when you have people talking about toxins in
foods then you're likely listening to retards, something joe rogan seem to have an
abundance of on his show... here's an example of some of the so called smart people
that supposedly know about toxins in foods and are looking out for your health by
telling you to avoid shit like GMOs and bread toxins


here we have an internet mystic with a PhD claiming that acidity of the foods you
eat are what causes cavities, nothing to do with oral hygene or reduction of
bacteria that cause these cavities, it's always the food's acidity



here our nutritard is telling us that we can trust nature, I guess we can trust
nature not to kill us when we eat what ever we wish, I mean it is natural so
let's eat some hemlock, kudu, foxglove or maybe a few of those other kinds of
special mushrooms they tell us not to eat




the one that we need to pay particular attention to was a deliberate troll by
some anti wootards to see how many bite, you may be surprised by the number of
people claiming to be nutritionists, food safety experts or just half way
intelligent, they certainly have proved they arent any of the above and that
they're just plain stupid because they arent smart enough to find out what this
shit is before telling you how dangerous it is

keep in mind, this particular retard claims to be a PhD, now unless that is the
abbreviation for Post Hole Digger it says that the state of shit education in
this country is directly related to people like her



she and many like her and the guests on joe rogaine's show are kemikillz
alarmists, if it sounds scary then let's warn everyone to avoid it regardless
of what it may or may not be

please dont pretend you know something when your info comes from twats on a radio
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22430503 - 10/25/15 04:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well in the first post I don't see her saying not to brush your teeth. It could be interpreted as saying, if you brush your teeth and still have tooth decay, change your diet. Some commercials for toothpaste even refer to the problem with acidic substances when talking about coffee. The second post I can't defend.

I do get annoyed by overly simplistic facebook holistic health posts though


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22430516 - 10/25/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh yeah... and guess what... the most weight ever carried by a man was done by a vegan





2.The dude also trained majority of his life as a carnivore then recently switch over. That's what you forgot to tell everyone about majority of these athletes and a lot of them forget to mention it to. Same shit goes for p90x and other programs... You want to know how they plan on selling that shit to you?! They pay the athletes to gain body fat and use that picture as the before and the before picture as the after or if they decide to put some work in have the athlete lose the fat (not hard for those of us that have good muscle tone)




Baboumian has been a vegetarian since 2005, and became a vegan in 2011.[1] In November 2011 Baboumian became the new face of a campaign by the animal-rights organization PETA, advocating a vegan diet.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

He won his 1st title in 1999 when he was 20 years old. Six years later (2005) he became a vegetarian.

The "yoke-walk" happened in 2013 -- 8 years after becoming a vegetarian and he was 34 years old. A quote from him: "This is a message to all those out there who think that you need animal products to be fit and strong. Almost two years after becoming vegan I am stronger than ever before and I am still improving day by day."


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: endogenous]
    #22430520 - 10/25/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I very much doubt that plants feel pain. I doubt that even fish feel pain. I doubt that most reptiles feel very much pain.




I work with animals, we use narcotics on fish and reptiles because they do feel pain. There is plenty of well supported literature to support this fact. As others have said, just google it. Plants also have a very rudimentary nervous system, but do "feel" pain and depending on the the species of the plant they respond.



Having a nervous system isn't sufficient for being aware of pain. Just because something has nociceptors doesn't mean it feels pain. Just because a fish flops around when you hook it it doesn't mean it is consciously aware of the pain. The nociceptor system goes to two places. First it goes to the basal ganglia. This is what causes the "reaction". This is why you pull your head back from the hot stove before you feel the pain. After the nociceptors hit the basal ganglia, they go to the cortex. This is where you "experience" the pain. The reason for this is so you learn what kinds of behaviors cause pain. It is a classical conditioning device. The thing is, not all animals HAVE a cortex. Fish don't. If an animal doesn't have one, chances are it doesnt experience much of anything at all, much less pain.




"Victoria Braithwaite one of the main scientists working on the subject, showed several years ago, (with wide media coverage), that fish have specialized pain receptors. She said that scientists are discovering that fish are more intelligent and more responsive than had been thought and states that the latest scientific evidence shows that fish should be given the protection currently given to birds and mammals.

Neurobiologists have found that fish have nervous systems that comprehend and respond to pain. "Fish (like “higher vertebrates”) have neurotransmitters such as endorphins that relieve suffering—the only reason for their nervous systems to produce these painkillers is to alleviate pain.

Even though fish don’t have the same brain structures that humans do—fish do not have a neocortex, for example—Dr. Ian Duncan, a researcher at the University of Guelph in Canada, reminds us that we “have to look at behaviour and physiology,” not just anatomy. “It’s possible for a brain to evolve in different ways,” he says. “That’s what is happening in the fish line. It’s evolved in some other ways in [other] parts of the brain to receive pain.

  http://icank-ihsan.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/7/4/18748648/do_fish_feel_pain.pdf


Reading this now, thanks. I am skeptical, though. I know for a fact I can catch a fish and then release it and then catch the same one almost immediately. I have always assumed that the point of being aware of pain from an evolutionary perspective was so that the organism could learn from it. Fish do not appear to do so.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #22430611 - 10/25/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Stop fuvking with my words pris. I refered to specific plant toxins, not the fake hippie term that means nothing. Almonds have arsenic, tnat is a toxin. Fish has a ton of forign toxins, things that are in the food that are not healthy on any level.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22431142 - 10/25/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd have to disagree about the just technique bit. Strength matters in any fighting style and while yes a black belt can beat a novice. If that bigger guy has any knowledge of how to fight on the ground the weaker smaller dude is usually fucked. It's pretty much why I was able to squirm out of shit with my military buddies was brute force. Another benefit is I have extremely strong legs from football. As soon as any of them got in my guard I locked those ankles and squeeze. Air goes out but has an extremely hard time going back in. Air is your power. No air and you are fucked.

I understand its not pure man handling someone and pinning them. That will get you choked out. Smaller guys try and pride themselves on the technique thing all the time like strength training and trying to gain a few lbs on muscle is a waste of time and for the "meat heads" when to the contrary there are plenty of lifts that will help you with fighting especially hitting power.




After having read this i have come to the conclusion you've never actually learned anything from BJJ and you probably only went to a few classes.......... :rofl2: you squeezed people in your guard trying to submit them, what a scrub...learn some submissions pussy everyone is taught to keep a tight guard...
Who was the first time champion of UFC when there wasn't a weight class.... Royce Gracie he beat dudes LITERALLY hundreds of pounds heavier than him. MMA is ALL TECHNIQUE...
it only takes a quick jab to the chin to jar your brain hard enough to knock you out, it doesn't take anything but a "light tap" to drop someone. Say you and I we're to step in the ring. You'd probably shoot on me as soon as the bell dings, i'd sprawl back knowing exactly what big high school wrestler bulls like you think is technique and t-off on your head with my knees or hammer fist your temple till you go limp in the dirt. (Wrestlers, you being one obviously, seem to get surprised by the fact that they can have their faces restructured for simply going for a takedown.. If you did manage to get me on my back i'd simply latch onto you and hold you close pull you into my guard :heart: so you couldn't pound me, put my arm through your elbow at 90 degrees, and bust your arm in a kimura or americana depending on where your arm was positioning itself in the struggle.  :heart:  You seem to forget to mention big dudes/heavier weight classes are much slower too..your takedown skills are typically (subpar) and much different when you rely on weight/strength instead of leverage and momentum to do your work.  (also anyone that doesn't like standing is never going to do well in a real fight..as soon as your eyesocket/eyebrow/lip/nose busts and the blood starts flowing pretty boy wrestler bitches start freaking out, wrestling and fighting are two very different things buddy..ones real shit, and ones hangout with your friends in a leotard fun time/take steroids from the coaches and hide your repressed homosexuality, i.e. wrestling) Also you don't get pinned in BJJ........ and especially not Muay Thai, you get knocked the fuck out in Muay Thai and pinning someone on their back means you better have good guard work in BJJ..I'd fucking love to square up with you dude.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22431180 - 10/25/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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she and many like her and the guests on joe rogaine's show are kemikillz
alarmists, if it sounds scary then let's warn everyone to avoid it regardless
of what it may or may not be

please dont pretend you know something when your info comes from twats on a radio
show or on the internet




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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431216 - 10/25/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Asante]
    #22431253 - 10/25/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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70% of American chicken gets arsenic ADDED to it to fatten them before slaughter. The arsenic stays in the meat,



That's pretty fucked up, but we've overpopulated as it is and people have a choice to eat it or not. Also it's from MSN and doesn't cite anywhere where the FDA made this claim, the only citations they do have lead you back to their .com website which is just them likely making $ of our clicks......But have you looked at the ingredients in Sunny D or Poptarts, thats likely just as bad for you. What we allow in our food in America is pretty sad.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431278 - 10/25/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I still say we eat meat because it is culturally ingrained. 

Being a meat head power lifter is a culture within itself.  An athlete.  A good old American BBQ.  Fast food culture.  It's all part of our life and it is hard to transcend what we're used to...


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431287 - 10/25/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nononono dont mitigate that. They absolutely should avoid things like arsenic, mercury and cadmium to enter the food chain. How can we complain about less than a milligram of mercury in vaccines (no longer present in most vaccines, they took it out) yet eat chicken stuffed with arsenic every week?

You don't poison an animal with heavy metals and then sell the meat, you just don't. That has nothing to do with a free market.


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Asante]
    #22431303 - 10/25/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why i eat it is because it is delicious and mouth wateringly heaven sent when cooked over wood. Possibly a hundred thousand years of evolution made me like it, and also because i didnt climb my ass all the way to the top of the food chain to eat veggies?! I have nails and pointy teeth for a reason
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Asante]
    #22431340 - 10/25/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nononono dont mitigate that. They absolutely should avoid things like arsenic, mercury and cadmium to enter the food chain. How can we complain about less than a milligram of mercury in vaccines (no longer present in most vaccines, they took it out) yet eat chicken stuffed with arsenic every week?

You don't poison an animal with heavy metals and then sell the meat, you just don't. That has nothing to do with a free market.



You're right, i do agree and i worded that response pretty shittily. If its true that there is arsenic purposely being pumped into them, that is extremely immoral to sell contaminated produce. Also arsenic, mercury etc don't break down and will be in the food chain and soils long after we're gone and done worrying about em. Idk the food in america is very sad though, like Asante mentioned earlier most other developed countries have banned the additives we americans allow in our food. We allow this stuff to happen because we don't demand better. We need to demand better foods and not buy fast food, processed foods and other crap that we guzzle down without any second thought just b/c it's on a shelf in a store. But then again back to the population theres becoming too many people to give everyone primo nutrition, that combined with China shifting towards becoming a consumer market is another major problem. If everyone in China were to demand the lifestyle of and American we wouldn't have Enough land to even produce the resources to meet the demand. We would literally need more than 1 Earth.. We need to change our ways in America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ecological_footprint Akeldama if we keep that mentality that shitty food is part of our culture its no wonder why we have the fattest population and that americans require almost 3x more hectares of land than the global citizen in order to maintain a gluttonous lifestyle. https://www.google.com/search?q=hectare+ecological+footprint+americans+vs+the+world+visualization&biw=1277&bih=636&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI4cimpoveyAIVQW0-Ch1s7gWD#imgrc=BXQzLeXSNHLm-M%3A Those links are one reason that our naive, young county is hated and reviled by many worldwide

Edit: and the demand for things only increases globaly as we progress.. http://worldcentric.org/conscious-living/expanding-eco-footprint


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: SoloTrip]
    #22431398 - 10/25/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22431413 - 10/25/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Stop fuvking with my words pris. I refered to specific plant toxins, not the fake hippie term that means nothing. Almonds have arsenic, tnat is a toxin. Fish has a ton of forign toxins, things that are in the food that are not healthy on any level.





water has a toxin OMG DONUT DRANK DE WATRZ

the dosage makes the poison, it's a simple concept to grasp

can a person eat an almond and survive? absolutely

can a person eat a hundred almonds and survive? absolutely

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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431415 - 10/25/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd have to disagree about the just technique bit. Strength matters in any fighting style and while yes a black belt can beat a novice. If that bigger guy has any knowledge of how to fight on the ground the weaker smaller dude is usually fucked. It's pretty much why I was able to squirm out of shit with my military buddies was brute force. Another benefit is I have extremely strong legs from football. As soon as any of them got in my guard I locked those ankles and squeeze. Air goes out but has an extremely hard time going back in. Air is your power. No air and you are fucked.

I understand its not pure man handling someone and pinning them. That will get you choked out. Smaller guys try and pride themselves on the technique thing all the time like strength training and trying to gain a few lbs on muscle is a waste of time and for the "meat heads" when to the contrary there are plenty of lifts that will help you with fighting especially hitting power.





After having read this i have come to the conclusion you've never actually learned anything from BJJ and you probably only went to a few classes.......... :rofl2: you squeezed people in your guard trying to submit them, what a scrub...learn some submissions pussy everyone is taught to keep a tight guard...
Who was the first time champion of UFC when there wasn't a weight class.... Royce Gracie he beat dudes LITERALLY hundreds of pounds heavier than him. MMA is ALL TECHNIQUE...
it only takes a quick jab to the chin to jar your brain hard enough to knock you out, it doesn't take anything but a "light tap" to drop someone. Say you and I we're to step in the ring. You'd probably shoot on me as soon as the bell dings, i'd sprawl back knowing exactly what big high school wrestler bulls like you think is technique and t-off on your head with my knees or hammer fist your temple till you go limp in the dirt. (Wrestlers, you being one obviously, seem to get surprised by the fact that they can have their faces restructured for simply going for a takedown.. If you did manage to get me on my back i'd simply latch onto you and hold you close pull you into my guard :heart: so you couldn't pound me, put my arm through your elbow at 90 degrees, and bust your arm in a kimura or americana depending on where your arm was positioning itself in the struggle.  :heart:  You seem to forget to mention big dudes/heavier weight classes are much slower too..your takedown skills are typically (subpar) and much different when you rely on weight/strength instead of leverage and momentum to do your work.  (also anyone that doesn't like standing is never going to do well in a real fight..as soon as your eyesocket/eyebrow/lip/nose busts and the blood starts flowing pretty boy wrestler bitches start freaking out, wrestling and fighting are two very different things buddy..ones real shit, and ones hangout with your friends in a leotard fun time/take steroids from the coaches and hide your repressed homosexuality, i.e. wrestling) Also you don't get pinned in BJJ........ and especially not Muay Thai, you get knocked the fuck out in Muay Thai and pinning someone on their back means you better have good guard work in BJJ..I'd fucking love to square up with you dude.





Watch out, we have a badass over here! :lol:

Royce Gracie beat people hundreds of lbs bigger than him because no one in the western world was doing BJJ at that time.  He fought some shoot fighters, wrestlers, boxers, etc

Matt Hughes could have broken Gracie's arm.  He is old news today.  The martial arts have evolved

Power and strength ALWAYS matter.  As does technique.  As does speed.  It's a fine balancing act of all of them that makes you a winner

I've been in A LOT of fights over the course of my life, some in competition and many not....and the biggest thing I notice is heart

I can't tell you how many pussys I've seen crumble.  No will to fight to the death.  No heart.  Generally they are people who talk like you.  Throwing names and schools and flinging a "mr.know it all" attitude like there is no tomorrow


What this has to do with this thread I have no idea, but couldn't help but chime in :grin:

I think YOU are the scrub :douchewink:


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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431425 - 10/25/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Boom, this.





except this would be false, gorillas do eat meat

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/


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