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specialpeopleclub said: What a retarded statement. Yeah, eating a oropper diet with high quality meat that helps your muscles will be bad for your brain, how rediculous. It is ost likely corralation. Why thefuck would quality protein do that? I fimd it insulting when vegetarians sink to their bs health arguments. Go eat some bread
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edit: go drink some more coffee. You probably need it
Funny that you preach about slander when a certain party starts losing a debate....
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
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It's called having a debate dumba**, didn't need to rating rape me..
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Yeah a debate where you spoke out of your ass about someone you don't know and a subject you obviously don't know while trying to verbally belittle someone.
You haven't been here long so you don't know me or my disposition. Welcome to the shroomery.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
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We have engineered out ability to become an "apex predator", but again if we were try to go toe to toe with a lion or bear we'd very likely lose. We have only managed to become a predator through numbers and using our brains to engineer better ways of doing things. (E.g. spears and arrows to hunt. Agriculture/farming animals.)
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
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Yeah a debate where you spoke out of your ass about someone you don't know and a subject you obviously don't know while trying to verbally belittle someone.
You haven't been here long so you don't know me or my disposition. Welcome to the shroomery.
Your disposition is going to force me to ignore you. Grow up and learn to look at things differently without being repulsed by them.
Edit: and i'd say i did strike a nerve or belittle you in your mind if it lead to you going out of your way to rate me.
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Go ahead and put me on ignore. Shows just how soft you are. I've argued with god knows how many people on here, gotten negative ratings from people on here about petty shit and continue to not give a flying fuck and continue to have 0 people on ignore. I addressed some truth and you tried the immature route of argument by attacking personal character. Very mature of you.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said: Go ahead and put me on ignore. Shows just how soft you are. I've argued with god knows how many people on here, gotten negative ratings from people on here about petty shit and continue to not give a flying fuck and continue to have 0 people on ignore. I addressed some truth and you tried the immature route of argument by attacking personal character. Very mature of you.
You didn't address any truth, you spoke without anything other than your anecdotes, I responded to Endogenous b/c they actually posted a legitimate f**king source. You then said, (not verbatim) ohh thats bullshit, meat makes your brain bigger and gives you more testosterone, without citing or referencing any counterpoint other than your opinion. I disagreed after having read the BBC link Endo posted. Then you said ohh thats retarded and immediately just started (near-incoherently) spitting your opinion out...(did you even read the link?) Are you this fu*king dense? haha anyways, You're right i won't ignore you though. It'll be funny to watch from a distance, like a monkey in a zoo or something.
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Mescalean said: Go ahead and put me on ignore. Shows just how soft you are. I've argued with god knows how many people on here, gotten negative ratings from people on here about petty shit and continue to not give a flying fuck and continue to have 0 people on ignore. I addressed some truth and you tried the immature route of argument by attacking personal character. Very mature of you.
You didn't address any truth, you spoke without anything other than your anecdotes, I responded to Endogenous b/c they actually posted a legitimate f**king source. You then said, (not verbatim) ohh thats bullshit, meat makes your brain bigger and gives you more testosterone, without citing or referencing any counterpoint other than your opinion. I disagreed after having read the BBC link Endo posted. Then you said ohh thats retarded and immediately just started (near-incoherently) spitting your opinion out...(did you even read the link?) Are you this fu*king dense? haha anyways, You're right i won't ignore you though. It'll be funny to watch from a distance, like a monkey in a zoo or something.
Dude I get it being a keyboard warrior is all you Have. Its why you dogged on the athletics aspect of it. It's where you lack. I see it constantly. The people who love to think they are oh so intelligent will call athletes dumb. Stupid. Even compare them to animals in a cage like a "gorilla" or "monkey". It's okay I get it. Napoleon syndrome type shit.
While the BBC is all fine and dandy for certain shit it's the last source I would go to for information on the body athletics and nutrition. The last person I'd ask for help in an athletic endeavor would be some jerk off journalist that weighs 150. Ask any coach. Any sports medicine doctor. 95 percent of the people involved in athletics and nutrition will agree. A diet rich in animal protein AND carbs with healthy fats your omegas (omega 7's ever heard of these? found only in dairy.... they help to increase metabolism and protein synthesis... know what that is?) All this stuff can simply be googled. It's easier for your over inflated ego to think just because I'm an athlete I'm stupid. Helps you win in your head. It's okay buddy
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said: A diet rich in animal protein AND carbs with healthy fats your omegas (omega 7's ever heard of these? found only in dairy.... they help to increase metabolism and protein synthesis... know what that is?)
Lol your talking about protein synthesis, Omega 7's (a type of lipid, just another type of fat), and metabolism like i didn't take high school bio. Wana get to talking about meiosis, mitosis and cell division, it's more fun to talk about and it's (probably) still simple enough for you. DNA is much more interesting than cellular activity. And you're not an athlete you might work out but if you don't get paid you just work out a lot...and saying im a hippie??? wtf riding solomons dick much?
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I don't think you know anything about nutrition. I lost my dad to diabetes, and studied up watching the two main sides of what is healthy, and thwy both advocate "whole foods". One side is the vegans like Caldwell, Mcdougal, Esselstein, and Ornish, the other are the high fat people. Watch them both, one side sites science and the other the China study. Being vegan does bump up your micronutrients, butneggs just arent enough. I am no athelete, but I work out a few days a week, and it helps immensely ro not just be eating fruit like I was doing before I saw what retards the vegan low fat/high carb people are. Really, less then 10% of calories from fat? Every damn cell in your body needs fat, and your hormones are all cholesterol based. Watch out for casine vegans
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't think you know anything about nutrition. I lost my dad to diabetes, and studied up watching the two main sides of what is healthy, and thwy both advocate "whole foods". One side is the vegans like Caldwell, Mcdougal, Esselstein, and Ornish, the other are the high fat people. Watch them both, one side sites science and the other the China study. Being vegan does bump up your micronutrients, butneggs just arent enough. I am no athelete, but I work out a few days a week, and it helps immensely ro not just be eating fruit like I was doing before I saw what retards the vegan low fat/high carb people are. Really, less then 10% of calories from fat? Every damn cell in your body needs fat, and your hormones are all cholesterol based. Watch out for casine vegans
Im sorry to hear about your dad. My grandpas having some serious problems right now with it. Personally, my take on nutrition is just having a balanced diet. If you read further down the thread you'll see where i state that i do eat meat, but primarily fish. I think diabetes and well as many "first world diseases" could be avoided if we were to cut out processed food, so whole foods etc, but still whole foods need to be eaten in moderation. The food pyramid is kind of how i gauge what I should be eating and how much of it as well as my daily caloric needs. I'm not a nutritionist, far from it i'm studying to become an environmental engineer. but i know enough to say that eating a diet HIGH in meat is not healthy long term. It'll bring cholesterol problems, other forms of heart disease, and other physical problems such as gout/obesity/etc.
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Mescalean said: A diet rich in animal protein AND carbs with healthy fats your omegas (omega 7's ever heard of these? found only in dairy.... they help to increase metabolism and protein synthesis... know what that is?)
Lol your talking about protein synthesis, Omega 7's (a type of lipid, just another type of fat), and metabolism like i didn't take high school bio. Wana get to talking about meiosis, mitosis and cell division, it's more fun to talk about and it's (probably) still simple enough for you. DNA is much more interesting than cellular activity. And you're not an athlete you might work out but if you don't get paid you just work out a lot...and saying im a hippie??? wtf riding solomons dick much?
So college athletes aren't athletes? They don't get paid shit while the NCAA gets a shit load tax free. That's a different discussion though. You're saying martial artists aren't athletes? I consider the BJJ lessons I've taken an athletic endeavor. Many people on this board would think you are a dipshit just by that statement you made. Plenty of athletes don't get paid... You have obviously never done such a thing. I can tell by your attitude towards it. You aren't as smart as you think no matter how much you pride yourself on intelligence. Your only card to really try and play.Quote:
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't think you know anything about nutrition. I lost my dad to diabetes, and studied up watching the two main sides of what is healthy, and thwy both advocate "whole foods". One side is the vegans like Caldwell, Mcdougal, Esselstein, and Ornish, the other are the high fat people. Watch them both, one side sites science and the other the China study. Being vegan does bump up your micronutrients, butneggs just arent enough. I am no athelete, but I work out a few days a week, and it helps immensely ro not just be eating fruit like I was doing before I saw what retards the vegan low fat/high carb people are. Really, less then 10% of calories from fat? Every damn cell in your body needs fat, and your hormones are all cholesterol based. Watch out for casine vegans
Im sorry to hear about your dad. My grandpas having some serious problems right now with it. Personally, my take on nutrition is just having a balanced diet. If you read further down the thread you'll see where i state that i do eat meat, but primarily fish. I think diabetes and well as many "first world diseases" could be avoided if we were to cut out processed food, so whole foods etc, but still whole foods need to be eaten in moderation. The food pyramid is kind of how i gauge what I should be eating and how much of it as well as my daily caloric needs. I'm not a nutritionist, far from it i'm studying to become an environmental engineer. but i know enough to say that eating a diet HIGH in meat is not healthy long term. It'll bring cholesterol problems, other forms of heart disease, and other physical problems such as gout/obesity/etc.
Yeah it'll bring disease for anyone who sits on their ass all day.... Like my original statement. a diet high in meat is beneficial to an athlete/ anyone training for athletics. My family has been involved in athletics for a while now in a couple large organizations. There is no substitute that meets all the same needs as meat for an athlete.
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Ok, several things. What is a 'balanced diet'? There are three macros Fats-mostly O3 and O6 Protein-varies in quality carbs-you want them unrefined, and minimal
What is ovsrdoing whole foods? You don;t need a large variety of food to be healthy. I could live off four ingredients, and still be balanced. Most people are way off and have terrible macros and getno micronutrients.
The food pyramid is crap. The whole anti-fat myth comes from Ansyl Keys and his shit '7 Countries Study'(out of 28 that he picked to support his claim).
I'm not sure of calories even mean much of anything.
Also, it isn't the meat that is bad. Alot of protein is bad in general. Meat doesn't cause obesity. If anything bread is the worst. I look at carts at work, all suger, tons of bread.
Maybe check out 'insulin resistance', look for a diet that discourages inflamation. High cholesterol is a symptom, not a problem caused by eating cholesterol in your diet
I also disagree that humans areso weak. Most of us are. Our bkdies hafe gotten weak with comfort. We are not inherently so.
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specialpeopleclub said: Ok, several things. What is a 'balanced diet'? There are three macros Fats-mostly O3 and O6 Protein-varies in quality carbs-you want them unrefined, and minimal
What is ovsrdoing whole foods? You don;t need a large variety of food to be healthy. I could live off four ingredients, and still be balanced. Most people are way off and g=have terrible macros and getno micronutrients.
The food pyramid is crap. The whole anti-fat myth comes from Ansyl Keys and his shit '7 Countries Study'(out of 28 that he picked to supoort his claim).
I'm not sure of calories even mean much of anything.
Also, it isn't the meat that is bad. Alot of protein is bad in general. Meat doesn't cause obesity. If anything bread is the worst. I look at carts at work, all suger, tons of bread.
Maybe check out 'insulin resistance', look for a diet that discourages inflamation. High cholesterol is a symptom, not a problem caused by eating cholesterol in your diet
Calories are the units we use to measure how much "energy" food gives you....they mean something. If you're only spending about 1200 calories a day you'd only need just above that.. Also i'm not saying you should do what i do and follow the food pyramid, to me this is a balanced diet. (eating mostly grains, then breads/carbs, then veggies, then fruit, then meat, then fats then sugars in descending amounts) has worked for my i'm 6 ft and 175 lbs and i'm healthy. Haven't had to go to the doctors in many years and have only got the cold/flu a few times since i was a pre-teenager. Do what works for you and keep doing it i guess...
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said: You're saying martial artists aren't athletes? I consider the BJJ lessons I've taken an athletic endeavor. Many people on this board would think you are a dipshit just by that statement you made.
Who do you train under? I trained with Gracie Barra in SD. Also did Muay Thai with Alex Palma at Blackhouse in Miramar.
Edit: though i'd never consider myself a fighter b/c i didn't ever get paid to fight pofessionally. It was a exercise based hobby..
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Younrwally don't know if you are healthy. I don't know if I am. We will see as we grow older. Bread and grains are suger, and full of toxens unless you get them sprouted. Your ideas on healthy food are so backwards calories sort of do, but it has nothong to do with the biological and chemical processes that actually go on. It means nothong, except that eating more nutrient dense food over low nutrient-high calorie food tends to be healthier.
I quit bread a year ago. I was so sick, and depreased, but mostly sick in the gut. I thought I had cancer, or ulcyers. It's ome of best things I've done along with probiotics for how I feel. Supliments like vitamin D help also
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specialpeopleclub said: Younrwally don't know if you are healthy. I don't know if I am. We will see as we grow older. Bread and grains are suger, and full of toxens unless you get them sprouted. Your ideas on healthy food are so backwards calories sort of do, but it has nothong to do with the biological and chemical processes that actually go on. It means nothong, except that eating more nutrient dense food over low nutrient-high calorie food tends to be healthier.
You are right, calories do NOT have anything to do with the biological or chem. processes that occur within us. But it is a unit we use in order to understand how foods differ in their nutritional value..Lol and what toxins are in bread? You mean that in "all purpose flour" aka. fancy flour, all the nutritious parts of the grain are removed?? Whole wheat bread is actually extremely healthy for you IN MODERATION. Fuck more than half the world lives on bread or rice/grains. The reason why americans think bread is so bad is because when its made into "fancy" flour", we remove the wheat germ, fiber and everything else that makes it healthy. See here >> http://www.grainstorm.com/pages/modern-wheat Could be bullshit advertising but idk. So where are you getting your information? Also check these out if you want.. http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyDietGoals/Whole-Grains-and-Fiber_UCM_303249_Article.jsp#.VixSqRCrSYU and this http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/prevention-wellness/food-nutrition/healthy-food-choices/nutrition-how-to-make-healthier-food-choices.html
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It's a simplistic and stupid way to evaluate foods nutrition. A thousand calories of fatbare not the same as a thousand of suger. I get my info from alot of atheletes and health people on Joe Rogan who are in that world. Grain has similar toxens to unsoaked beans, called lectins. I know about grain. I don;t need your link. It's quite simple, and throwing around 'moderation' doesn't make your ignorant posts less so. If you want fiber, ear some veggies. I worry about eating seeds in general. plants sometimes chemically protect them
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I needa focus on studying for my integral calc midterm coming up instead of arguing with two people about nutrition on the internet.... I think i'll be sticking to mush. cult. for now. Just started my first grow. 
Edit: i don't soak my beans! Kills the flavor dude.
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Mescalean said: You're saying martial artists aren't athletes? I consider the BJJ lessons I've taken an athletic endeavor. Many people on this board would think you are a dipshit just by that statement you made.
Who do you train under? I trained with Gracie Barra in SD. Also did Muay Thai with Alex Palma at Blackhouse in Miramar.
Edit: though i'd never consider myself a fighter b/c i didn't ever get paid to fight pofessionally. It was a exercise based hobby..
Athletics doesn't have to be pay based man. Taken lessons at the gracie arizona jj academy and private lessons with a couple buddies who are air bourne cav scouts. Proud to say that for how much shit talking they did when it came to sparring none pinned me and these are active and ex military. Surprisingly squirmy for 6 foot 1 220-225 lbs depending on water retention, have i taken a shit, you know the deal. Muay thai is actually what I have been looking into for good schools right now but am having a hard time commiting because to be honest judo also fascinates me. And given my size judo would be a nice one to learn. not a fan of upright on my feet. comfy on the ground and i think thats because of the supplemental wrestling in hs in off season for football. Might just wait for my friend to come into town again and go check a few out with me.
Also at 175 lbs vs 220 at the same height. my caloric and protein needs are much much different than yours. Last time I weighed 175 I was doing alot of black tar
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