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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx] 2
#22416147 - 10/21/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very few, which probably has to do with the fact that its a huge pain in the ass to take in the necessary amounts of amino acids to sustain high level athleticism on plant matter alone.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22416183 - 10/21/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: Vegetarians are weak.
How many professional fighters or athletes do you see that are vegetarian?
Quite a few, actually... and none of them are weak. Are they the majority...? No...
But vegans have never been the majority and odds are they never will be. I'm not sure what that has to do with being weak. http://www.greatveganathletes.com/
You telling me these people are weak? Let's see some pictures of you then...
Oh yeah... and guess what... the most weight ever carried by a man was done by a vegan
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: topdog82] 1
#22416230 - 10/21/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most of you are really making two completely separate arguments when it comes to discussing the humane slaughter of animals and whether or not humans actually "need" meat.
Most First and Second World countries can do without meat. Transportation and better sanitation as well as genetically modified foods have made the need for meats unnecessary. But this hasn't always been the case. Americans have relied on meat when fruits and vegetables weren't readily available due to weather or poor farming seasons. Long winters meant large animals could be buried in the frozen ground to keep before freezers were available while other items would wilt or rot. Often the steaks from a cow or pig meant the family would not be weakened by a tough winter without protein resulting in fewer deaths. Believe it or not, many families in the mid west still follow the tradition of hunting and storing their own meat for the winter. It's only in the last 15 to 20 years that things have drastically shifted. So no, we don't need meat, but have you ever considered what will happen if we were to make eating animals illegal, tomorrow? What would we do with all the cows, chickens, pigs, sheep...engineered over decades for the purposes of human consumption? Who would care for them? What would happen when they got sick? Whose responsibility would it be to pay their expenses? PETA would euthanize them then take photos of their bodies blaming the greedy consumer for their deaths. I would much rather find an ethical and responsible was to humanely euthanize them and eat them. There is such a thing as ethical raising and slaughter of animals meant for consumption. Unfortunately, until we hold those who have been permitted to abuse and neglect these animals in order to profit more accountable by regulating the industry better, it's only going to get worse.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kalistis]
#22416501 - 10/22/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My uncle is vegan and does a lot of huge triathlons and places in the top 10 usually
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: twighead]
#22416956 - 10/22/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kalistis]
#22416968 - 10/22/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kalistis said: So no, we don't need meat, but have you ever considered what will happen if we were to make eating animals illegal, tomorrow? What would we do with all the cows, chickens, pigs, sheep...engineered over decades for the purposes of human consumption? Who would care for them? What would happen when they got sick? Whose responsibility would it be to pay their expenses? PETA would euthanize them then take photos of their bodies blaming the greedy consumer for their deaths.
Ridiculous argument.
Change rarely happens overnight. It's a long process.
As more people change their diet, the livestock reserve can slowly get smaller and smaller. Not by euthanasia, but by breeding less to adapt to a diminishing demand.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye] 2
#22417147 - 10/22/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, change does happen close to overnight. Look at what eliminating slaughterhouses in the US has done to the horse community. If you think it has positively impacted the humane treatment of horses, think again. It used to be that when a horse reached the end of its life/career, owners would take their horses to slaughterhouses and sell them to be euthanized then used for food products and what not. Disposing of a large animal is a big problem for farmers, especially when you have a lot of them. Anyway, once slaughterhouses became outlawed, the black market was flooded with unwanted horses. Often the original owner has no idea their pet was even sold on the black market. The horses, many of them seniors, get packed into crates, with no food or water then get shipped to Mexico or Canada. It's terribly inhumane. Basic cause and effect.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kalistis]
#22418225 - 10/22/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why don't they just take care of the fucking horse till it dies? They took advantage of it, its whole life. Or is that too 'economically disadventageous'
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: twighead]
#22418255 - 10/22/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the prompt banning of eating meat is at this point an unrealistic scenario and therefore the considerations attached to it premature. There would first need to be a downward trend in the meat consumption and production. At some point, it could then (hypothetically speaking) lead to a reduction to zero - but I think that's unlikely to happen, unnecessary and probably even undesirable. Reform of the meat industry however seems like a very realistic and desirable scenario. And it wouldn't require everyone being forced to turn vegan or even vegetarian. I'm confident that there will remain freedom of choice.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: koraks]
#22418339 - 10/22/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vegetarianism is better than meat eating. Whey, soy, and egg are all better protein than meat as are, e.g., combinations of vegetables and legumes.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: endogenous] 1
#22418667 - 10/22/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asking why someone doesn't do something that may make sense to you doesn't solve the problem. But to answer your question, there is a plethora of reasons as to why people choose slaughter or euthanasia over waiting for their animal to just die. Diseases of the horse are often painful and debilitating, causing a great deal of suffering long before death. Many owners chose slaughter because euthanasia and basic disposal fees of a large animal were too much. Others chose slaughter basic burial and disposal options weren't available due to soil and weather conditions, and legal restrictions making burial and impossibility. Others chose slaughter because they saw simply letting an animal die then rot as wasteful. Cremation and burial is expensive, even for small pets. Rendering isn't cheap either for such a large animal. Some owners couldn't or can't afford vet bills and contact people who pose as rescues and prey on the desperate. The give up their horses thinking that they are going somewhere to be helped, only to be shipped off to illegal unregulated slaughter houses.
So, I understand from an emotional standpoint why people wanted slaughter houses closed but from a logical standpoint it isn't sound.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: endogenous]
#22418671 - 10/22/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no way soy is a better source of protein then beef. That stuff makes me feel sick everytime I eat it.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22418960 - 10/22/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't like soy much,
Hemp foods on the other hand 
Quinoa has all essential aminos as well
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kalistis]
#22419955 - 10/22/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kalistis said: Actually, change does happen close to overnight. Look at what eliminating slaughterhouses in the US has done to the horse community. If you think it has positively impacted the humane treatment of horses, think again. It used to be that when a horse reached the end of its life/career, owners would take their horses to slaughterhouses and sell them to be euthanized then used for food products and what not. Disposing of a large animal is a big problem for farmers, especially when you have a lot of them. Anyway, once slaughterhouses became outlawed, the black market was flooded with unwanted horses. Often the original owner has no idea their pet was even sold on the black market. The horses, many of them seniors, get packed into crates, with no food or water then get shipped to Mexico or Canada. It's terribly inhumane. Basic cause and effect.
So you're comparing outright forbidding something (horse slaughterhouses) to a large scale mentality change due to increased awareness (people changing their diets)? That explains your weird argumentation. No one is going to outlaw meat eating. That would be impossible and not at all productive.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22420289 - 10/22/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: I grew up with massive ammounts of commercials for chicken meat coming to think of it.
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Kip, het meest veelzijdige stukje vlees, kip.
It advertised chicken as the most multi faceted type of meat. All over TV for years.
I still think about the slogan when I am shopping and walk past the poultry section, whenever I can't decide what to eat, and whenever anyone mentions chicken.
Chicken is for people who don't know what meat to choose
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Asante]
#22420328 - 10/22/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If it costs more to raise a pig than you can get when you sell the pig nobody would raise pigs.
I pay $1.49-$2.99/lb for pork, a little more for bacon, a 300lb pig would produce about half that amount in meat... how do these farmers stay in business when it costs $600 to raise a pig
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Asante said: Subsidies.
right... the government pays out a trillion in subsidies to raise livestock
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: endogenous] 1
#22420333 - 10/22/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Vegetarianism is better than meat eating. Whey, soy, and egg are all better protein than meat as are, e.g., combinations of vegetables and legumes.

that may work out great for you rich kids that live in large cities but it's not an option when you live in rural areas
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22420340 - 10/22/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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case and point^
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Uzziel]
#22420344 - 10/22/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bohdi and moxy said exactly what I have been. Vegetarian athletes are a joke. Few an far between and all mediocre. For the human body to perform at peak physical condition you need meat plants and fats from both. Quote:
Uzziel said:
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MoxyOx said: Vegetarians are weak.
How many professional fighters or athletes do you see that are vegetarian?
Quite a few, actually... and none of them are weak. Are they the majority...? No...
But vegans have never been the majority and odds are they never will be. I'm not sure what that has to do with being weak. http://www.greatveganathletes.com/
You telling me these people are weak? Let's see some pictures of you then...
Oh yeah... and guess what... the most weight ever carried by a man was done by a vegan
1. Guarantee I am stronger than any vegan on this board. 6'1" 220 and have played contact sports my whole life. Strength is important to me. Yes a vegan athlete broke a world record but...
2.The dude also trained majority of his life as a carnivore then recently switch over. That's what you forgot to tell everyone about majority of these athletes and a lot of them forget to mention it to. Same shit goes for p90x and other programs... You want to know how they plan on selling that shit to you?! They pay the athletes to gain body fat and use that picture as the before and the before picture as the after or if they decide to put some work in have the athlete lose the fat (not hard for those of us that have good muscle tone)
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22420772 - 10/22/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: To the extent of factory farming, their meat is deplorable and disgusting. I stick with purchasing directly from a farmer, it makes all the difference.
Buy that shit Kosher. Animals are killed with dignity and respect
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