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Mad_Larkin

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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Cj-B]
#22398368 - 10/18/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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eating a steak sammich with french mustard and washing it down with some delicious IPA
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Cj-B]
#22398372 - 10/18/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations. Water is not destroyed when it is used. It just goes back to the ocean and then evaporates and the cycle repeats and repeats and repeats. Water shortages are strictly local issues.
Oh? A bunch of pesticide-laden water sinking through the ground into the water table is irrelevant? Or the rivers that farmers draw their water supply from drying up rather rapidly? Seems like it should be a rather big concern to me. The water certainly isn't destroyed...but that hardly means that water returning to nature is an positive thing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/24/study-colorado-river-basin-drying-up-faster-than-previously-thought/
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twighead said: Come on m8 you know why it's important - having a locally well accessible water source has many distinct advantages over being dependent on non-local sources of water.
which is why I dont understand why people would live in the desert
Places like Arizona are the greatest testiment to humanity's arrogance in the face of nature.
The pesticides are all leached out through the evaporation process. Science wasn't your forte in school, was it.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye]
#22398373 - 10/18/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Your point? They are what we call deserts. No water was harmed to make them.
Are you really that stupid?
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Aquifer drawdown or overdrafting and the pumping of fossil water increases the total amount of water in the hydrosphere, and may be responsible for up to one quarter of the Earth's total sea level rise since the beginning of the 20th century.[4]
where does that 'fossil water' go once it's pumped out of the aquifer? is ig gone forever from the planet? was it ejected into the sun? maybe carried away by aliens in their huge water consuming space craft?
Did you even read the post you quoted?
The majority ends up in the ocean. Have fun drinking that, or using that for irrigation.
I'm sure it eventually does but it's not pumped from these aquifers straight to the ocean and as zappa mentioned, we have this cycle known as evaporation and precipitation, that means water takes on a gaseous form and rises into the air, evaporation can happen at all temperatures, once the water vapor becomes condensed and heavier than air, it thin precipitates out of the air in the form of fresh water, you may have heard of this stiff, we in the free world call it rain
the really crazy part, it was many, many years ago that man has learned this process and adapted it to his own use, we call it desalinization, we do it on a much smaller scale and we even do it to provide water fro drinking
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#22398374 - 10/18/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I live in AZ. No idea why anyone even decided to settle out here.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22398380 - 10/18/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've discussed all those things. Read back. I am not going to start repeating my arguments.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Cj-B]
#22398386 - 10/18/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Water consumption is an utterly irrelevant concern for overall agricultural considerations. Water is not destroyed when it is used. It just goes back to the ocean and then evaporates and the cycle repeats and repeats and repeats. Water shortages are strictly local issues.
Oh? A bunch of pesticide-laden water sinking through the ground into the water table is irrelevant? Or the rivers that farmers draw their water supply from drying up rather rapidly? Seems like it should be a rather big concern to me. The water certainly isn't destroyed...but that hardly means that water returning to nature is an positive thing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/24/study-colorado-river-basin-drying-up-faster-than-previously-thought/
did you know that the dirt filters out most of those contaminants
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twighead said: Come on m8 you know why it's important - having a locally well accessible water source has many distinct advantages over being dependent on non-local sources of water.
which is why I dont understand why people would live in the desert
Places like Arizona are the greatest testiment to humanity's arrogance in the face of nature.
what kind of idiots think it's sustainable to move to the desert, i think california is learning that lesson
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22398450 - 10/18/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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which is why I dont understand why people would live in the desert
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: twighead]
#22398538 - 10/18/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've have in the past had years where I bought no meat. Hunting provided everything in my freezer. I wish this year was one of those. I have also helped feed, raise, and slaughter farm animals some years. As far as store bought meat goes I wish o could say I don't contribute but I do, I try to keep it to a minimum. Did the vegetarian thing for a couple years but bacon and chicken brought me back.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22399029 - 10/18/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: To the extent of factory farming, their meat is deplorable and disgusting. I stick with purchasing directly from a farmer, it makes all the difference.
Slaughterhouses buy directly from farmers How else do you think the primo cut ends up in the store? You can buy whole pigs here too so you can do the job yourself.
with the exception of a few people who have the facilities for slaughtering and aging beef, even the people that buy straight from the farmer are getting meat from a slaughterhouse, have you ever had beef that was a fresh kill? it's gross even if the farmer is selling you the meat it almost always went through a slaughterhouse
also, anyone that uses the term factory farm should be ignored because they dont know what the hell they're talking about
I know what I'm talking about dear Pris. Most of that meat you buy is grown indoors on a nasty ass feed lot. If you want cows that drink their own piss, be my guest.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22399414 - 10/18/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never seen a factory farm. It doesn't make sense. It sounds expensive as hell too.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22399494 - 10/18/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Slaughterhouses buy directly from farmers How else do you think the primo cut ends up in the store? You can buy whole pigs here too so you can do the job yourself.
with the exception of a few people who have the facilities for slaughtering and aging beef, even the people that buy straight from the farmer are getting meat from a slaughterhouse, have you ever had beef that was a fresh kill? it's gross even if the farmer is selling you the meat it almost always went through a slaughterhouse
also, anyone that uses the term factory farm should be ignored because they dont know what the hell they're talking about
I know what I'm talking about dear Pris. Most of that meat you buy is grown indoors on a nasty ass feed lot. If you want cows that drink their own piss, be my guest.
hahahaha... so you know what you're talking about
do those cows spend their while life on those feed lots eating their own shit and drinking piss?
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22400689 - 10/18/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I honestly doubt all the claims that most meat is raised in these cattle prisons. I used to work on my grandpa's ranch as a teen in oklahoma. I would bet that cows outnumber humans in oklahoma.
Ain't that the truth. Most of the land in my area is populated by cows
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22401158 - 10/19/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The pesticides are all leached out through the evaporation process. Science wasn't your forte in school, was it.
Pesticides reach water sources and contaminate them. For example, water in the region of Brittany, France, is not fit for human consumption. People don't drink tap water anymore because of...
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Achillita said: I've never seen a factory farm. It doesn't make sense. It sounds expensive as hell too.
...factory farms, mostly concerning pig farms.
Factory farms are cheaper to run. You need less space, a food of lesser quality. The idea is that the animals thus raised would eventually die of disease or develop sever mental or health problems, which is fine since you send them to the slaughterhouse before it gets critical. Some may die in the process but overall it's much more productive than an open farm, though you need to inject a massive quantity of antibiotics to get them to the slaughterhouses alive.


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I say that you don't need cheap, daily meat. A couple of times a week is enough, unless you work out.
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Achillita said: I honestly doubt all the claims that most meat is raised in these cattle prisons. I used to work on my grandpa's ranch as a teen in oklahoma. I would bet that cows outnumber humans in oklahoma.
Ain't that the truth. Most of the land in my area is populated by cows 
This is called a confirmation bias caused by anecdotal evidence. It means you take your own experience and apply it to the world. "I know a man named Patrick and he's pretty smart, therefore all Patricks are smart" is another example.
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Prisoner#1 said: I'm sure it eventually does but it's not pumped from these aquifers straight to the ocean and as zappa mentioned, we have this cycle known as evaporation and precipitation, that means water takes on a gaseous form and rises into the air, evaporation can happen at all temperatures, once the water vapor becomes condensed and heavier than air, it thin precipitates out of the air in the form of fresh water, you may have heard of this stiff, we in the free world call it rain
the really crazy part, it was many, many years ago that man has learned this process and adapted it to his own use, we call it desalinization, we do it on a much smaller scale and we even do it to provide water fro drinking
Rain is not an answer. Regions like Morocco or Northern China are running out of water because water comes from subterranean reserves that are being depleted. The cycle of water is not uniform, it varies with climate and human activity.
Desalinization is too expensive, it's not an answer either. It has a negative ecological impact, when a reduction in production of most water-consuming agricultural sectors would guarantee a local equilibrium.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha] 1
#22401175 - 10/19/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A couple of times a week is enough, unless you work out.
So since I'm healthy and active at a gym on the regular...
...I'll just go on enjoying my delicious dead meat with your explicit approval!
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Masked]
#22401177 - 10/19/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the only sources of protein that will be able to compete with farming animals are maybe lab grown meat or bugs. Personally, I think in the future the main source of protein will be insekt steaks, patties, etc. Bugs are easy to farm and create less of a strain on the environment, and will be able to satisfy demand.
Once the lion feels remorse for killing the gazelle, then I will feel remorse for eating a steak.
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Achillita said: I honestly doubt all the claims that most meat is raised in these cattle prisons. I used to work on my grandpa's ranch as a teen in oklahoma. I would bet that cows outnumber humans in oklahoma.
Ain't that the truth. Most of the land in my area is populated by cows 
My God, you're really going to go there? I haven't seen one so it's not real? Is that the best you can contribute to the discussion?
It is true that factory farming most often applies to pigs and chicken. There are 900 million pigs in the world livestock total at the moment. This will increase to 3 billion by 2050. Asia wants pig meat too.
How many of those pigs did you see outside over the last years?
Zero.
Because this is how they are bred:

They are put in a gestation crate. The goal is too stress them out as much as they can because the stress increases virility.
So, they are in their individual crate with no space to move. They are facing a wall so they are isolated. Loud music is played. They are then inseminated and stay in the crate to raise their piglets for a while.
After that they grow up like this:

And now lets quote some stuff from wikipedia, or are they in on the vegan propaganda too? They must be right? Because you've never seen any of this...
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In the 1930s, 24 percent of the American population worked in agriculture compared to 1.5 percent in 2002; in 1940, each farm worker supplied 11 consumers, whereas in 2002, each worker supplied 90 consumers.[12]
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In 1967, there were one million pig farms in America; as of 2002, there were 114,000.[12]
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Intensive production of livestock and poultry is widespread in developed nations. For 2002-2003, FAO estimates of industrial production as a percentage of global production were 7 percent for beef and veal, 0.8 percent for sheep and goat meat, 42 percent for pork, and 67 percent for poultry meat.
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Beef calves are generally raised in small herds, with over 90% of the herds having less than 100 head of cattle. Fewer producers participate in the finishing phase which often occurs in a feedlot, but nonetheless there are 82,170 feedlots in the United States.[36]
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: GoldenEye] 1
#22401268 - 10/19/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I eat meat because its quality protein.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Kukaracha]
#22401274 - 10/19/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The pesticides are all leached out through the evaporation process. Science wasn't your forte in school, was it.
Pesticides reach water sources and contaminate them. For example, water in the region of Brittany, France, is not fit for human consumption. People don't drink tap water anymore because of...
It isn't in any water that evaporates. It is in the ground. No water is destroyed. It is just moved
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22401283 - 10/19/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am 100% opposed to the unethical treatment of animals such as is commonplace in modern farming. We should stop this immediately and treat animals more humanely, which comes at an elevated price.
It turns out its healthiest to eat meat only 2 days a week anyway, theres no need for it to be a cheap daily staple at the expense of animal suffering and food quality.
I feel its permissible to eat animals but, dammit, we should treat them BETTER.
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Re: Why do we still eat meat? [Re: Asante] 1
#22401286 - 10/19/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We treat them better than they treat each other.
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