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InvisibleShiithead
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Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry?
    #22379232 - 10/14/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And if we do control it, how?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #22379247 - 10/14/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't control us and we do not control it. We are our neurochemistry and our neurochemistry is us.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22379248 - 10/14/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:mindblown:


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Boomer The Great] * 1
    #22379484 - 10/14/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Boomer The Great said:
It doesn't control us and we do not control it. We are our neurochemistry and our neurochemistry is us.




what he said


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22380742 - 10/14/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I do get confused about one thing though.

What is consciousness and where is it located?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22380747 - 10/14/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Everything is chemisatry


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22380759 - 10/14/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What is the ability to overcome that chemistry though??
i.e. Mind over matter.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22380762 - 10/14/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Our genes are built to surive and propagate so therefore genes create neurochemistry in order  to make us survive better.

The genes are pulling the strings. Our neurochemistry is simply their puppet. Means to an end. Machines to duplicate.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22380767 - 10/14/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
What is the ability to overcome that chemistry though??
i.e. Mind over matter.




There is no such thing. Everything is related to chemistry. Everything else is a byproduct of chemistry.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22380770 - 10/14/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
What is consciousness and where is it located?



ahhhh, the timeless question.

it is fun to sit back and watch the thoughtstreams roll by.  But if you're watching the thoughtstreams, and the thoughts are of your consciousness, then who's doing the watching

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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22380773 - 10/14/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But if you are aware, what chemical is that?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22380776 - 10/14/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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But if you are aware, what chemical is that?




It's a biochemical process that fires off the synapses in your brain so you can think.

If you're looking for something deeper than that, you aren't going to find it.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22380779 - 10/14/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Which synapses?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22380792 - 10/14/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I could google it for you since I don't know myself the specific details.... but then that would take all the fun out of your curiosity.

I don't know the details, but I have the general idea.

"Mind over matter" is just a motivational statement to make people think they can do better than what reality presents which is false but people need a feel-good about themselves.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22383422 - 10/15/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:bumpthread:


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22383498 - 10/15/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

quote]Uzziel said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
But if you are aware, what chemical is that?




It's a biochemical process that fires off the synapses in your brain so you can think.

If you're looking for something deeper than that, you aren't going to find it.




I disagree. Neurochemistry only explains the process of acquiring information, interpreting it, and responding to it. It doesn't explain the ability to perceive that information. Everything we do could just as easily be done without us knowing it from a neurochemical perspective. This is where you get that old hippy sentiment that "all is consciousness". It's far more likely that the capability to perceive existence is fundamental to the basic components of reality and the complexities at which a being is able to process it's own existence is related to neurochemistry.

I do agree that there is no such thing as mind over matter though. All perceived experience is nothing more than energy transfer


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22383514 - 10/15/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Both


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #22383519 - 10/15/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Neurochemistry is the reason WHY you can interpret information in the first place.

As to the actual consciousness that responds to that information, that goes far beyond and deeper than any explanation that is available to man-kind.

Anything deeper than physical evidence is just heresay and always will be.

I'm not discounting anything, but I'm certainly not going to believe consciousness is above neurochemistry.

Forces of chemistry created everything... and forces of chemistry will destroy everything... the endless cycle of recominbation as far as we know


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Uzziel]
    #22383570 - 10/15/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Uzziel said:
Neurochemistry is the reason WHY you can interpret information in the first place.

As to the actual consciousness that responds to that information, that goes far beyond and deeper than any explanation that is available to man-kind.

Anything deeper than physical evidence is just heresay and always will be.

I'm not discounting anything, but I'm certainly not going to believe consciousness is above neurochemistry.

Forces of chemistry created everything... and forces of chemistry will destroy everything... the endless cycle of recominbation as far as we know




I didn't say consciousness is "above" neurochemistry. I think physical behavior and consciousness are both fundamental and inseparable characteristics of matter. I understand this is in the realms of philosophy and not science and I think otherwise we actually mostly agree. I simply said "consciousness" as defined by the innate ability of matter to perceive  can not be logically linked to neurochemistry. Neurochemistry only reroutes information in ways to make sense of it and utilize it. But based on chemistry one can easily envision a world where everything happens exactly the same except that there is no perception of it. Thus it's difficult to believe consciousness is an emergent property rather than something that is intrinsic to matter. It's a difficult concept to convey in words sometimes.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #22383974 - 10/15/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would say a little of both, some people their brain's are enlarged in one area or too small in another due to some event or diet and they do some crazy stuff
but i'd say like 99% of the healthy population is in control
we aren't plants...


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Konyap]
    #22383982 - 10/15/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

cat's are weird tho
they definitely seem like they're not in control at times
i guess we're talking about behaviors?


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: Shiithead]
    #22383993 - 10/15/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Which synapses?



All of them.


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Re: Does our nuerochemistry control us or do we control our neurochemistry? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22384002 - 10/15/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For the best explanation I have ever read read Francis Crick's The Astonishing Hypothesis.  Be forewarned.  It is not easy.


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