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Arush
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How much is lost during sterilization?
#22378972 - 10/14/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I made some jars in advance to pressure cook twice as it's rye flour so i'd rather be safe than sorry.
Is moisture content lost during pcing? The room smelt like rye flour after, is it possible pressure cooking twice will remove some of the nutrients?
or should I just take it all out and try get it close to field capacity again?
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22378983 - 10/14/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dont cook it twice just extend your pc time. How long do you cook? At what pressure? Pf tek?
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22378988 - 10/14/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arush said: I made some jars in advance to pressure cook twice as it's rye flour so i'd rather be safe than sorry.
Is moisture content lost during pcing? The room smelt like rye flour after, is it possible pressure cooking twice will remove some of the nutrients?
or should I just take it all out and try get it close to field capacity again?
rye flour? never heard of using that.
You definitely will lose water from PC'ing twice, and I think nutrients too. not recommended.
If you PC correctly the first time there's really no need. Unless there's something about rye flour I'm not familiar with
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22379003 - 10/14/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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mista_dankhead said: Dont cook it twice just extend your pc time. How long do you cook? At what pressure? Pf tek?
The spores were just about here so I PCeD last night but unfortunately there was a delay with shipping.
Pf tek with rye flour for 60 mins at 10 Psi.
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Arush said: I made some jars in advance to pressure cook twice as it's rye flour so i'd rather be safe than sorry.
Is moisture content lost during pcing? The room smelt like rye flour after, is it possible pressure cooking twice will remove some of the nutrients?
or should I just take it all out and try get it close to field capacity again?
rye flour? never heard of using that.
You definitely will lose water from PC'ing twice, and I think nutrients too. not recommended.
If you PC correctly the first time there's really no need. Unless there's something about rye flour I'm not familiar with
Endospores?? I don't think rye ground up removes them so.
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Edited by Arush (10/14/15 02:51 PM)
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22379021 - 10/14/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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we get by pressure cooking rye grain once for 60-90 minutes. There is nothing I've heard of that you need to PC twice 
I PC'd twice early on too. Do it, find out what happens. Maybe it'll work out for you, who knows. I just don't think it will.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22379023 - 10/14/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm So take it all out and add a tad of water and nutrients?
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Edited by Arush (10/14/15 02:56 PM)
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22379083 - 10/14/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would want to PC twice? If you're having problems with sterilization it'd be far more effective to simply extend the PC time since the majority of the time it's in there is actually spent raising it to sterilization temperature.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Kizzle]
#22379096 - 10/14/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The spores were just about here so I PCeD last night but unfortunately there was a delay with shipping.
Pf tek with rye flour for 60 mins at 10 Psi.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Kizzle]
#22379098 - 10/14/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Weighing jars allows you to monitor moisture levels. I find a 5-10 ml/grams are lost during a cycle in jars with about 200g dry grain.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: blackout]
#22379160 - 10/14/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will give that a try. Thank you
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22379161 - 10/14/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arush said:
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The spores were just about here so I PCeD last night but unfortunately there was a delay with shipping.
Pf tek with rye flour for 60 mins at 10 Psi.
They don't need to be inoculated immediately or anything. If you're just talking about a week delay or something I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Kizzle]
#22379170 - 10/14/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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Arush said:
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The spores were just about here so I PCeD last night but unfortunately there was a delay with shipping.
Pf tek with rye flour for 60 mins at 10 Psi.
They don't need to be inoculated immediately or anything. If you're just talking about a week delay or something I wouldn't worry about it.
Just keep them somewhere clean then. alright
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22380423 - 10/14/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Last question If they're slightly dry inside is it okay to shoot some water(distilled) inside the jars when they are colonizing if they're too dry?>
I opened up one of them just to check how they are for knowledge or whatever and the mix only felt damp.
Edited by Arush (10/14/15 07:39 PM)
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LocN9ne
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22380462 - 10/14/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you followed the tek, don't deviate now... you don't want a wet substrate...you want it moist, and with pf tek your better off slightly on the dry side
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22380505 - 10/14/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: If you followed the tek, don't deviate now... you don't want a wet substrate...you want it moist, and with pf tek your better off slightly on the dry side
Wouldn't they stall out if they run out of water?
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22380642 - 10/14/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They definitely are not out of water if you followed the teks recipe.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22380645 - 10/14/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: They definitely are not out of water if you followed the teks recipe.
Just asking.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: Arush]
#22380675 - 10/14/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I opened a pf tek jar I had in my fridge since April and never inoculated, the moisture was still acceptable for use...so I'm gonna go ahead and say that it takes quite a long time for a brf cake to dry out to the point where it cannot support mycelium.
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Re: How much is lost during sterilization? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22380686 - 10/14/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: I opened a pf tek jar I had in my fridge since April and never inoculated, the moisture was still acceptable for use...so I'm gonna go ahead and say that it takes quite a long time for a brf cake to dry out to the point where it cannot support mycelium.
Okay. I was just asking generally if they would stall if dry but I guess you did answer it. Just like anybody I hate wasting time haha.
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