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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22394749 - 10/17/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>And what's wrong with that?

They don't use it for good, it becomes just more money for the govt to burn through.



Government spending isn't all bad, as you imply.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22394765 - 10/17/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>And what's wrong with that?

They don't use it for good, it becomes just more money for the govt to burn through.



Government spending isn't all bad, as you imply.




just most of it, who cares if 70% of all govt spending is wasted, at least SOME good comes from it, right?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22394781 - 10/17/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I certainly care.  Can you show that 70% of Government spending is wasted, or did you just make that number up?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22394901 - 10/17/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I certainly care.  Can you show that 70% of Government spending is wasted, or did you just make that number up?





made up, used as an example, do you think that if only 20% is  wasted, thats okay? what percentage of waste is acceptable to you?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22394933 - 10/17/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We all know govt is the wasteful fool with taxpayer money. The politicians consider our money to be something to spend and make sure it goes to their cronies and they get a kickback. I would say at least 50% of govt spending is unneeded, wasteful or even counter productive. What was the biggest form of govt spending under the libs man obumble? On war and death of course. What good did it do the trillions the bum wasted in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, just to name a few? None, that was all down the rat hole

Closer to home we see sweetheart contracts, no bid contracts, etc going to stuff we mostly didn't need and at a price no one in their right mind would pay. How much did that big data warehouse in Utah cost the public? Its for storing our emails and private info to use against us. How much did the nsa spying cost us? I'd say under obumble waste went way up, probably to 75%. At an estimate

With trump waste will go way down, maybe below 20%. We will get more bang for our buck and no pointless stupid wars.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22394969 - 10/17/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We all know govt is the wasteful fool with taxpayer money. The politicians consider our money to be something to spend and make sure it goes to their cronies and they get a kickback. I would say at least 50% of govt spending is unneeded, wasteful or even counter productive. What was the biggest form of govt spending under the libs man obumble? On war and death of course. What good did it do the trillions the bum wasted in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, just to name a few? None, that was all down the rat hole

Closer to home we see sweetheart contracts, no bid contracts, etc going to stuff we mostly didn't need and at a price no one in their right mind would pay. How much did that big data warehouse in Utah cost the public? Its for storing our emails and private info to use against us. How much did the nsa spying cost us? I'd say under obumble waste went way up, probably to 75%. At an estimate

With trump waste will go way down, maybe below 20%. We will get more bang for our buck and no pointless stupid wars.




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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22394996 - 10/17/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Medicare is a big waste as well, performing high cost surgeries on half dead people in their late 70's and 80's. Doctors love it, free money without any liability, if they die it's because they were fucked up anyways.

I'm pretty sure the universal health care systems don't allow for such waste, but not in the USA!!


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22395037 - 10/17/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your viewpoint might change a tiny bit once you get into that age group. Just a hunch I have. But yeah, govt is wasteful as hell.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22395065 - 10/17/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How much did that big data warehouse in Utah cost the public? Its for storing our emails and private info to use against us





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

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It is projected to cost $1.5-2 billion. A report suggested that it will cost another $2 billion for hardware, software, and maintenance. The completed facility is expected to require 65 megawatts of electricity, costing about $40 million per year. The facility is expected to use 1.7 million gallons (6435 m3) of water per day.




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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22395096 - 10/17/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Your viewpoint might change a tiny bit once you get into that age group. Just a hunch I have.




I don't think so, doing unnecessary surgeries on elderly people who have little hope can be a form of torture. 

I know several people in the health care industry, these doctors really don't use any discretion on these people, I would rather just let nature take it course in my final days instead of being a cash payment for the medical department. 

They will torture their elderly patients in their final days for money, it happens everyday.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22395138 - 10/17/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Your viewpoint might change a tiny bit once you get into that age group. Just a hunch I have.




I don't think so, doing unnecessary surgeries on elderly people who have little hope can be a form of torture. 

I know several people in the health care industry, these doctors really don't use any discretion on these people, I would rather just let nature take it course in my final days instead of being a cash payment for the medical department. 

They will torture their elderly patients in their final days for money, it happens everyday.





just like obama said, "intstead of having a life saving surgery, just take a pain pill and die already"

fucking liberals, look up the "complete live system" thats what we have to look forward to...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22395272 - 10/17/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Your viewpoint might change a tiny bit once you get into that age group. Just a hunch I have.




I don't think so, doing unnecessary surgeries on elderly people who have little hope can be a form of torture. 

I know several people in the health care industry, these doctors really don't use any discretion on these people, I would rather just let nature take it course in my final days instead of being a cash payment for the medical department. 

They will torture their elderly patients in their final days for money, it happens everyday.





just like obama said, "intstead of having a life saving surgery, just take a pain pill and die already"

fucking liberals, look up the "complete live system" thats what we have to look forward to...




The shit the doctors were doing to my uncle (age 71) last year in his final days was just crazy.

His wife who was a nurse for 40 years walked into the room and said, "what the fuck are you guys doing to this man?".  They had him on 8 different medications and treatments all counteracting the side effects from the previous medicine.  Just let the man stay comfortable for his final 2-3 weeks, nope they wanted to ring up a $250k bill before he was underground.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22395302 - 10/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The shit the doctors were doing to my uncle (age 71) last year in his final days was just crazy.

His wife who was a nurse for 40 years walked into the room and said, "what the fuck are you guys doing to this man?".  They had him on 8 different medications and treatments all counteracting the side effects from the previous medicine.  Just let the man stay comfortable for his final 2-3 weeks, nope they wanted to ring up a $250k bill before he was underground.



Agreed.  And even if people want to die, doctors can't help in most states.

California just passed physician-assisted suicide, so people here can finally die in peace if they want and skip a lot of the pain and suffering.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22395325 - 10/17/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So when they say to you we can help you but you might still die you will say never mind that, just give me the cyanide pill so I don't cost anyone any money? No, you will grasp at any straw just as we all do.

There are things that are excessive and doctors are greedy but when you get older you don't want your words coming back to haunt you. If someone is definitely terminal then give them pain meds and let them die in comfort but its not always clear cut like that.

Is Bernie's campaign terminal?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22396290 - 10/18/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's funny how people are worried about fiction and fairy-tales, such as the "paredon de la muerte" of the (OH, NO, SEEK HIGH GROUND, THE WORLD IS ENDING!) "socialist" (but not even close to being one) Bernie Sanders and the dem minions.

Seriously, we had major disasters and events due to the government's failure to assess a situation and update infrastructure. That, in this particular case, was Bush after Katrina, for example.

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There are things that are excessive and doctors are greedy but when you get older you don't want your words coming back to haunt you. If someone is definitely terminal then give them pain meds and let them die in comfort but its not always clear cut like that.[/unquote].

I really enjoyed reading this paragraph and I agree with you partially.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22396915 - 10/18/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

He's gonna get those evil 1%'rs! Not in the one percent? So you're safe, right? You're gonna get all the benefits and none of the cost, right? WRONG!

Here's the "man" himself, and I use that term loosely, saying he's gonna go after more than just the one percent, he's gonna tax whoever he wants too...

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/maher-skewers-sanders-how-can-the-country-afford-your-plan-video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mattkibbe


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22397007 - 10/18/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You find the most poorly written articles. What right wing facebook page are you copying all these from?

The guy goes way out of his way to demonize Sanders, when the only real questionable thing he says is "we may have to tax people a little under the 1%, but not far under."

Let's assume he means 3%. Are you one of the richest 3%? Do you know anybody that is? Do they know anybody that is? No.

And lets keep in mind taxes are pretty much the lowest they've been in history.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22397586 - 10/18/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Keep crying about the source, the source doesn't matter, you know why? Because there's a video of BS himself admitting he's gonna go after more than just the 1%...

One thing I've learned about liberals, whatever they are willing to admit to, you can damn sure bet they'll go much further... And you can take that to the bank!


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22397596 - 10/18/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So because politicians lie we can't believe anything Bernie says?

Even if his legislative record lends credence to it?

That's very convenient for your argument.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22398307 - 10/18/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

CNN strikes again. I think scrubbing the facebook comments was a clear sign as to how Bernie will be dealt with by them. A liberal news outlet attacking one of it's own. Clearly all in for Hillary. Bernie did look a bit sketchy when questioned by Anderson Pooper in the debate clip.
 

Sanders stretched truth on VA record during debate, some vets say

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