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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22387639 - 10/16/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hos did not attack any specific person so that is not an ad hominem as you try to imagine.

Biden has a load of baggage in the form of the many goofs and slipups he has made over his career. Half the people who say today they would vote for him will change their mind once they see him in action. He is too old for the job, no one has ever been elected to the presidency first time around that old. Which also applies to bern-out too.

Biden represents the failed policies of obumble. As the economy sours further, people will want the opposite of obumble, not another dose of it. Trump is the perfect antidote for obumble-itis. Instead of fumbling, making gaff after gaff, mistake after mistake, we will have someone competent in charge, someone who knows how to run things successfully.

Further I predict, that after people see how much of a better job a businessman does in the whitehouse, they will look for the same thing after trump finishes his second term. If he can be persuaded to run for the second, that is.

You rainbow chasers who are trying to decide between loony left Bernie, loony left biden, crooked left hitlery, or some no name, will have to settle for seeing the country getting back on track and recovering from too much incompetence for too long.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: circastes]
    #22388093 - 10/16/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be afraid to live in a country in which if I get cancer, I'll have to sell everything I own for the treatment?

Where everyone including the mentally ill have guns?

Where shootings resulting in fatalities among civilians are common and mainstream?

Where if I get caught with a certain plant I can get jailed for life?

Where everyone is so alienated and dehumanized by a culture blasted on TV and radio 24/7 that aggravates insecurities and celebrates the lives of low IQ, dysfunctional whores and assholes that they just conform and degrade themselves to suit?

Where highly intelligent and genius citizens can't afford to go to college?

Where if you're not born rich, you're not getting rich?

I mean the list goes on.

I'd get the fuck out of there if I were you.



OUCH!

True, but ouch.  :smirk:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22388117 - 10/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/



I've learned many times that Forbes is not a reliable source of information.  I've been burned many times, and now you have.

The article states that "Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money".

In other words, people who are rich claimed in a survey that they earned their money.  But it's easy to earn money if you start off wealthy (it takes money to make money).

The truth of the matter is that only 35 percent of the Forbes 400 came from poor to middle-class circumstances.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22388792 - 10/16/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/



I've learned many times that Forbes is not a reliable source of information.  I've been burned many times, and now you have.

The article states that "Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money".

In other words, people who are rich claimed in a survey that they earned their money.  But it's easy to earn money if you start off wealthy (it takes money to make money).

The truth of the matter is that only 35 percent of the Forbes 400 came from poor to middle-class circumstances.




Let me guess, Vox and media matters are reliable...

35% of of the Forbes 400 came from poor or middle class? That's pretty fucking good. It proves once again, that YES, it CAN be done... THAT was my point...

And that's just the 400, I'd love to see numbers on all the millionaires...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22388828 - 10/16/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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35% of of the Forbes 400 came from poor or middle class? That's pretty fucking good. It proves once again, that YES, it CAN be done... THAT was my point...



No one ever said it couldn't be done.  But if a small fraction of the population (the rich) start the vast majority of successful companies, it shows just how much the deck is stacked.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22388908 - 10/16/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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hos did not attack attack...



No, dude. I attacked his insult ad hominem and that is what he did. Duhhh


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22389438 - 10/16/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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35% of of the Forbes 400 came from poor or middle class? That's pretty fucking good. It proves once again, that YES, it CAN be done... THAT was my point...



No one ever said it couldn't be done.  But if a small fraction of the population (the rich) start the vast majority of successful companies, it shows just how much the deck is stacked.





65% is hardly a "vast majority" lol, it can be done, the deck is not stacked, you want it? Work for it, simple as that...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22389452 - 10/16/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if a small fraction of the population (the rich) start the vast majority of successful companies, it shows just how much the deck is stacked.



65% is hardly a "vast majority" lol, it can be done, the deck is not stacked, you want it? Work for it, simple as that...



Fine.  A small fraction of the population (the rich), which you've argued is less than 1% of the population, start 65% of successful companies.  Happy now?  :shrug:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22389478 - 10/16/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if a small fraction of the population (the rich) start the vast majority of successful companies, it shows just how much the deck is stacked.



65% is hardly a "vast majority" lol, it can be done, the deck is not stacked, you want it? Work for it, simple as that...



Fine.  A small fraction of the population (the rich), which you've argued is less than 1% of the population, start 65% of successful companies.  Happy now?  :shrug:




nope, you still want socialism, I'll not be happy until everyone here agrees with me...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22389497 - 10/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Individual entrepreneurship in the US has been dying a very slow death for a variety of reasons.

There was a time in America when US workers had a choice, start their own business or work for someone else, today the challenge remains to get and stay employed, things have changed for the worst.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22389562 - 10/16/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22389633 - 10/16/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:yesnod:




I'm noticing a huge increase in the corporation takeover of many domestic industries, and that's not a good sign.

I see higher scale restaurants, hair stylists, fitness centers, dentists, apartment complexes, ect. all being run and owned by corporate entities. 

It's bad for several reasons, it takes opportunities away from local residents, and it also takes the money out of the regional economy.  Once again, this was NOT the traditional capitalistic model in the US, this is capitalism taking a turn for the worst.

We already know what the Wal-Marts and Targets has done to small town main street, I don't see it stopping any time soon.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22389706 - 10/16/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Individual entrepreneurship in the US has been dying a very slow death for a variety of reasons.






I'm sure taxation and over regulation had nothing to do with it...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22389714 - 10/16/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:yesnod:






We already know what the Wal-Marts and Targets has done to small town main street, I don't see it stopping any time soon.




actually the wall marts and targets didn't do that, your neighbors did, when they decided to support the big box stores instead of their local businesses...


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22389752 - 10/16/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>actually the wall marts and targets didn't do that, your neighbors did, when they decided to support the big box stores instead of their local businesses...

Good point. The poor are very happy with the low prices even if they put traditional stores out of business. The liberals must hate poor people.

Its still not too hard to start your own business and to make a good living at it. Just do not try to compete with the big box chains, if you do you must emphasize service. Don't just sell car stereos, install them. Give the customer what he is missing from walmart.

Many businesses are still good. During the summer people can make bank cutting lawns and trimming trees. $50 to $200 per hour is normal profit. Learn massage and start your business or just learn a little and do it on the sly. If a chick is willing to do it topless, $100 per hour is the norm. There are 100's of things you can do if you are good and work hard. Or just work hard for $9 per hour and never get anywhere.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22389765 - 10/16/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Individual entrepreneurship in the US has been dying a very slow death for a variety of reasons.






I'm sure taxation and over regulation had nothing to do with it...




I read a great article in my local newspaper a few weeks ago, they interviewed the owner of one of my favorite local restaurants, he's an Italian man in his early 60's, but it knew his stuff.

He had owned many restaurants in the past 35 years, but he said he could never open up a new one in this current environment, way too much regulation and way too much corporate competition.

The corporate lobbyists are the ones that created all of this excess regulation to keep out the small business man and drive away his competition. The corporate companies have no issue with the regulations and also have no issues running at operating losses to bleed out the local competition.

The very rich and their corporate lobbyists created this regulatory environment to grab more market share, and to destroy small businesses, mission accomplished.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22389773 - 10/16/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We already know what the Wal-Marts and Targets has done to small town main street, I don't see it stopping any time soon.




actually the wall marts and targets didn't do that, your neighbors did, when they decided to support the big box stores instead of their local businesses...




The morons in this country are addicted to materialism and usually do things against their long term interests, shopping at Wal-Mart is a prime example.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22389778 - 10/16/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Good point. The poor are very happy with the low prices even if they put traditional stores out of business. The liberals must hate poor people.





yes, yes they do, and its apparent with their policies...

yeah, I support my local business when I can, the gourmet chef downtown may be little pricier, but they give great presentations and customer service... my little town of 35,000 has a wal-mart, target, kmart and a thriving downtown small business sector, why? its because we, in this backward red neck state, actually appreciate small business owners, do we shop at the big box stores? of course, but we know we can get better service downtown too...

oh, and minimum wage here is 7.25, just like the rest of the country, but EVERY job is hiring for 12-15 starting out, how does that happen???


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22389794 - 10/16/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Individual entrepreneurship in the US has been dying a very slow death for a variety of reasons.






I'm sure taxation and over regulation had nothing to do with it...




I read a great article in my local newspaper a few weeks ago, they interviewed the owner of one of my favorite local restaurants, he's an Italian man in his early 60's, but it knew his stuff.

He had owned many restaurants in the past 35 years, but he said he could never open up a new one in this current environment, way too much regulation and way too much corporate competition.

The corporate lobbyists are the ones that created all of this excess regulation to keep out the small business man and drive away his competition. The corporate companies have no issue with the regulations and also have no issues running at operating losses to bleed out the local competition.

The very rich and their corporate lobbyists created this regulatory environment to grab more market share, and to destroy small businesses, mission accomplished.




that is absolutely true, with one little caveat, corporations don't creat regulations, politicians do, thats why its so important to make govt smaller, not bigger

über is a prime example, the taxi unions have been trying to pay politicians to put them out of business... its disgusting...


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    #22389916 - 10/16/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be afraid to live in a country in which if I get cancer, I'll have to sell everything I own for the treatment?

Where everyone including the mentally ill have guns?

Where shootings resulting in fatalities among civilians are common and mainstream?

Where if I get caught with a certain plant I can get jailed for life?

Where everyone is so alienated and dehumanized by a culture blasted on TV and radio 24/7 that aggravates insecurities and celebrates the lives of low IQ, dysfunctional whores and assholes that they just conform and degrade themselves to suit?

Where highly intelligent and genius citizens can't afford to go to college?

Where if you're not born rich, you're not getting rich?

I mean the list goes on.

I'd get the fuck out of there if I were you.



OUCH!

True, but ouch.  :smirk:




Hehe, I love it how the hive minded socialists can't think for themselves.

I'd be afraid to live in a country in which if I get cancer, I'll have to sell everything I own for the treatment?
Actually most Americans (90%+) had health insurance before Owbowmacare came along.

Where everyone including the mentally ill have guns?
"Everyone" doesn't have a gun - yes we do have gun laws to keep guns out of the hands of violent "mental" people.

Where shootings resulting in fatalities among civilians are common and mainstream?
I suppose you would prefer knives? How about hammers?

Where if I get caught with a certain plant I can get jailed for life?
Actually our states are legalizing recreational weed just like Amsterdam

Where everyone is so alienated and dehumanized by a culture blasted on TV and radio 24/7 that aggravates insecurities and celebrates the lives of low IQ, dysfunctional whores and assholes that they just conform and degrade themselves to suit?
Where are you from where there's no TV? No social media culture? Probably some shit hole

Where highly intelligent and genius citizens can't afford to go to college?
Obviously college isn't everything- Ask Bill Gates or maybe look at the US Average Household Wealth vs other countries

Where if you're not born rich, you're not getting rich?
More lies from uninformed socialists-America has more rich than the rest of the world (Most did not inherit their wealth)


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