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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22418487 - 10/22/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Switching to single payer would save us money and cut corporate welfare.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421895/-Hey-WSJ-Bernie-s-Plan-SAVES-the-US-5-081-Trillion-on-Health-Care




One of Obama's biggest mistakes was not pursuing at least a TEST of Single Payer so that we could collect data on its efficiency vs. the current private insurance based system.




And double cross the people who put him into power, he's NOT that stupid. :lol:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22418515 - 10/22/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Switching to single payer would save us money and cut corporate welfare.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421895/-Hey-WSJ-Bernie-s-Plan-SAVES-the-US-5-081-Trillion-on-Health-Care




One of Obama's biggest mistakes was not pursuing at least a TEST of Single Payer so that we could collect data on its efficiency vs. the current private insurance based system.




And double cross the people who put him into power, he's NOT that stupid. :lol:




Yep ... he's just another in a long line of corporate presidents that have pushed more globalism on America.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22419767 - 10/22/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That isn't a conservative idea, who shuts down the govt trying to decrease spending, liberals?




They shut down government because they are often unwilling to pay the bills they authorize at an earlier time or because they want to sneak in some kind of theological policy that is unpopular with the voters into spending bills as a form of hostage taking ... pass it or else ... kinda strategy.

If the GOP wants to cut spending, let's see the spending cuts???  Military spending cuts ... entitlement spending cuts ... stuff that matters.




I'm starting to think you may really be that ignorant, when the GOP balanced the budget in the nineties, Newt and the rest of them were accused of starving children and much worse, it is libs who demand the spending to continue and increase

And btw, the reason the house and senate is now GOP controlled is because voters want them to do the same thing, but without a veto proof majority, they're pretty much stuck paying for all Obama's bullshit, the govt shutdowns are a result of Obama's unwillingness to work with them, unlike Clinton, knowing that the msm will blame the GOP, he has no risk in it


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22420747 - 10/22/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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One of Obama's biggest mistakes was not pursuing at least a TEST of Single Payer so that we could collect data on its efficiency vs. the current private insurance based system.



Medicare is single payer.  And it's been shown to be more efficient that private insurance.

Is Medicare more efficient than Private Insurance?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22420791 - 10/22/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm starting to think you may really be that ignorant, when the GOP balanced the budget in the nineties, Newt and the rest of them were accused of starving children and much worse, it is libs who demand the spending to continue and increase

And btw, the reason the house and senate is now GOP controlled is because voters want them to do the same thing, but without a veto proof majority, they're pretty much stuck paying for all Obama's bullshit, the govt shutdowns are a result of Obama's unwillingness to work with them, unlike Clinton, knowing that the msm will blame the GOP, he has no risk in it




The reason Obama is president is because the people voted for his policies. What are you getting at? lol


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22420803 - 10/22/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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One of Obama's biggest mistakes was not pursuing at least a TEST of Single Payer so that we could collect data on its efficiency vs. the current private insurance based system.



Medicare is single payer.  And it's been shown to be more efficient that private insurance.

Is Medicare more efficient than Private Insurance?




Any informed person who pays any attention to factual data at all knows that single payer is a better system, which is why we're the only modern nation on the frekken planet that doesn't embrace it.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22423447 - 10/23/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22423914 - 10/23/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen these debates for a while (and now I think I'm just a side-piece in this post haha), but one thing I can tell you, or those who resist against it, is that Obama never had the slightest chance to be liked by Republicans and their base, not because of his name, or his nationality "doubts," but because he is black. When it comes to arguing against a President whose 2 mandates showed clear improvements in unemployment decrease, civil rights gains, the recovery of the stock market, after his predecessor (s- Clinton is also responsible) screwed the pooch so much more than Obama, which means: When it comes to arguing against someone who has factually improved the situation that exploded under Bush's incompetent administration, it doesn't relate to his policies, or his ideas, or his position in International Affairs, but to something that people don't admit they really hate about him.

To prove the contrary, the GOP actually considered a rapist and now someone who will say pretty much anything to make the tea-party fanatics bump his chance against a charlatan who likes to scream and flip-flop more than evil knievel.

So: National debt increase: Why?
International dependance decreased (and cooperation increased): Why?
A single-payer system is not terrible, otherwise they would have canned it in a least a good part of the capitalist countries that have it. So why not a single-payer system?

Socialist why? What is socialist in this context, allocation of money to the needy? What about stealing and cheating the rest of society, as these moguls do?

Well, I tried.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22423940 - 10/23/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You don't get it, the conservative elites are beyond thrilled with Obama, they put him into office and he obeyed every demand. Obama did such a good job he actually created the LARGEST wealth and income inequality in 80 years!!

Once again, Obama was nothing more than a house Negro and behind the scenes rich conservatives are happier than pigs in shit.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
    #22423967 - 10/23/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Holy fuck! The race card and the conspiracy card two posts in a row, I guess a guy should just give up trying at this point, lol


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22424190 - 10/23/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Once again, Obama was nothing more than a house Negro and behind the scenes rich conservatives are happier than pigs in shit.




Emphasis on the negro part. If he was white, what would have been the slur? Sure, it is all in our minds...

(BTW, it doesn't make sense that conservatives are so mad at him if he (falacy) increased income inequality and favored the richest (which is law of the land since, when, Washington?). I rest my case, seriously, I enjoy good convervations, but then some things are just too clear.

@hostile teenage angst: It is, it was and it will always be the main, and I repeat main issue of the opposition. That was clear from the beginnig, it becomes clear any time a discussion comes up and the arguments are completely askewed, and when I speak to people I know from all walks of life, as conservatives, who always end up with the race card as their ace.

That is not why you should give up. You should give up, because you never bothered to really answer any of the questions I posed, and most of your arguments are basically the same (if I had the time I'd make you a precise chart), which means they don't evolve within the debate or out of the debate. You and a few just want to be right. Others, as I am, are apathetic with desbelief, but we understand that the change we want to see will come, if at all, with all the stench of the political system.

Plus, let us just put the cards on the table, those cards, as opposed to being too politically correct to deny what a lot is about.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22426153 - 10/24/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

With Biden out and Democrats pleased with how Hillary did in the debate and her testimony this week, all the unions and undecided groups are going to climb on the Hillary bandwagon and the polls are going to give her a huge lead over Bernie.

The only chance he has, at this point is if the FBI reveals some seriously incriminating evidence and/or she has a health problem soon. 

If not one of those two things, he has no chance at this point.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426167 - 10/24/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Trump is slipping to Carson.

Carson vs. Clinton?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22426175 - 10/24/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump is slipping to Carson.

Carson vs. Clinton?




A Carson / Fiorina ticket would be kinda interesting for the GOP.  I don't know if Susana Martinez would accept a VP slot, but she would be even better than Fiorina in a campaign.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426236 - 10/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's okay to vote for someone based on skin color, that's not racist right?

Calling someone a nigger is just another insult, like calling a woman a cunt, people hurl insults and attack on superficial things all the time, Trump called that fat dyke from The View a pig, so what? It's just another insult... The fact is insults are based on superficial things all the time,

However, when i criticize Obowma on his policies, why then am I called a racist? For the same reason, it's just a superficial insult that doesn't really mean anything

Ya know, Rush saw this coming in '08 after the election, someone asked him if he's at least happy that now we can heal as a nation and maybe put racism behind us, he spoke about how the election of Obama would make race relations worse, not better, because anytime someone criticized him on his policies, they would be called racists, because it's a powerful insult, and impossible to defend against

That's why Rush has an accuracy rating of 99.8% and 20 million listeners, because he is right


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22426278 - 10/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That's why Rush has an accuracy rating of 99.8% and 20 million listeners, because he is right




I guess Rush is OK if you're into drug addict predatory pedophiles ... I mean if that's your thing, Rush is probably right up your alley. 

In a country of 330 million people, of course every conceivable insult will be thrown ...So what?    It's always been that way.  One of the nastiest elections of all time was Adams vs. Jefferson ... research what was said about the two of them and you'll realize political mud slinging is nothing new.


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22426301 - 10/24/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So that 0.2% inaccuracy must be the real history of thanksgiving or whatever the fuck it was called right?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22426305 - 10/24/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So that 0.2% inaccuracy must be the real history of thanksgiving or whatever the fuck it was called right?





:rofl2:


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22426420 - 10/24/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's okay to vote for someone based on skin color, that's not racist right?






Whites have been voting exclusively for white candidates for centuries ... Is that racist? 

There are millions and millions of white Americans that, in their entire lifetime, have only voted for white candidates.  What does that mean to you?


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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22426485 - 10/24/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's okay to vote for someone based on skin color, that's not racist right?






Whites have been voting exclusively for white candidates for centuries ... Is that racist? 

There are millions and millions of white Americans that, in their entire lifetime, have only voted for white candidates.  What does that mean to you?




Not a fucking thing, America is the only nation to have gone to war against itself to end slavery, but that means nothing because there's still a few rednecks that embrace white supremacy or whatever the fuck it is, and most of the racial comments against Obama came from the left in '08, remember?

And are we seriously gonna pick on someone who got addicted to pain killers after multiple back surgeries?


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