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hostileuniverse
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22416887 - 10/22/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bernies a communist, I know it, you know it, just admit it
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KauaiOrca
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Bernie wants to tell you (us) where we can and can't work????
LMAO!!! The BS being spread on this thread is laughable. What Bernie wants to do and he's quite clear about it is:
- Break up the big banks and get them back in the business of lending and not trading risky financial derivatives - Put in place the Volker Rule - Raise minimum wage - Get rid of the ridiculous trade policies that encourage corporations to manufacture all kinds of products for America overseas - Get corporate big money out of politics so the average voter has much more influence on the process - Say no to corporate lobbyists - FIx America's infrastructure the way Eisenhower did it and create millions of jobs in the process - Bigger investments into education - Raise taxes on the wealthiest of the wealthy - Reform our criminal justice system that over prosecutes non violent offenders
A lot of good thinking there. No where is there a single comment from Bernie that he wants Government or the public to take over all means of production ... as such, he favors capitalism with better regulation and improved safety nets.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22416974 - 10/22/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Regulation IS taking over the means of production
Telling a business exactly how they can operate, how is that NOT taking them over?
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hostileuniverse said: Regulation IS taking over the means of production
Telling a business exactly how they can operate, how is that NOT taking them over?
Some industries are probably over regulated, most are not. The industry I work in has minimal regulation and the government tells me almost nothing about how I run my business.
You constantly make gross generalizations that exaggerate a problem to proportions that get your panties all in a wad ...
You forget that corporations run our government, not the other way around. Our government is OVER REGULATED by big business. That's the real problem.
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hostileuniverse said: Bernies a communist, I know it, you know it, just admit it
"Fuck dude"
Ok, so now you're joking, right?
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hostileuniverse said: Regulation IS taking over the means of production
Telling a business exactly how they can operate, how is that NOT taking them over?
NOW YOU'RE JOKING RIGHT!?! lmao
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22417108 - 10/22/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Bernies a communist, I know it, you know it, just admit it
"Fuck dude"
Ok, so now you're joking, right?
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hostileuniverse said: Regulation IS taking over the means of production
Telling a business exactly how they can operate, how is that NOT taking them over?
NOW YOU'RE JOKING RIGHT!?! lmao
Keep ignoring the facts, and when you're left with nothing, then who will you blame?
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hostileuniverse said: Keep ignoring the facts, and when you're left with nothing, then who will you blame?
Bro... I can find more facts about economics and politics in an episode of Dora the Explora than reading to the stupid ass shit you post.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22417118 - 10/22/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Keep ignoring the facts, and when you're left with nothing, then who will you blame?
Bro... I can find more facts about economics and politics in an episode of Dora the Explora than reading to the stupid ass shit you post.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22417128 - 10/22/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Keep ignoring the facts, and when you're left with nothing, then who will you blame?
Bro... I can find more facts about economics and politics in an episode of Dora the Explora than reading to the stupid ass shit you post.
Okay now THAT was funny, and a little racist, you don't like brown people?
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hostileuniverse said: Keep ignoring the facts, and when you're left with nothing, then who will you blame?
Bro... I can find more facts about economics and politics in an episode of Dora the Explora than reading to the stupid ass shit you post.
Okay now THAT was funny, and a little racist, you don't like brown people?
Mentioning Dora the Explora isn't fucking racist! 
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Great post. Reagan also ended middle class growth with trickle down economics (give everything to the rich with the promise that it would trickle down).

The chart above shows how all new wealth created after 1980 went to the 1%.
I'm surprised that anyone bought into the "give everything to the rich and watch it trickle down" theory, but what's even more surprising is that there are some conservatives who still believe in it (maybe they imagine they'll be in the 1% someday?)
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Great post. Reagan also ended middle class growth with trickle down economics (give everything to the rich with the promise that it would trickle down).

The chart above shows how all new wealth created after 1980 went to the 1%.
I'm surprised that anyone bought into the "give everything to the rich and watch it trickle down" theory, but what's even more surprising is that there are some conservatives who still believe in it (maybe they imagine they'll be in the 1% someday?)
Great Post! You've just showed that 'deficit spending' is a bad idea.
I'm surprised that anyone bought into the 'give everything to the government' and watch it improve the economy theory, but what's even more surprising is that there are some liberals who still believe it. Maybe it's because many that do believe giving more money to the government are in the 1%. Like, hmmmm..warren buffoon? You know....the guy that says the rich should 'pay their fair share' while at the same time fighting tooth and nail not to pay 5 billion in back taxes he owes?
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: starfire_xes]
#22417305 - 10/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22417347 - 10/22/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
Democrats tend to think deficits should be paid for with tax increases while Republicans amazingly believe deficits can be paid for with tax cuts.
I'm an independent and think both parties are corrupt beyond repair and represent a mafia-like grip on our elections process ... however, the conservative idea that you can increase spending, decrease taxes and expect it all to come together through some mysterious explosion of growth is utter and complete nonsense.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22417882 - 10/22/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
Democrats tend to think deficits should be paid for with tax increases while Republicans amazingly believe deficits can be paid for with tax cuts.
I'm an independent and think both parties are corrupt beyond repair and represent a mafia-like grip on our elections process ... however, the conservative idea that you can increase spending, decrease taxes and expect it all to come together through some mysterious explosion of growth is utter and complete nonsense.
Both parties are clearly corrupt. Republicans are clearly more corrupt, and have been for a long time, but even Democrats are corrupt. Look at what they've been doing with the debates, and deleting the polls that showed Bernie won, and Hillary's Email scandall, etc.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22417956 - 10/22/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
the conservative idea that you can increase spending, decrease taxes and expect it all to come together through some mysterious explosion of growth is utter and complete nonsense.
That isn't a conservative idea, who shuts down the govt trying to decrease spending, liberals?
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The Ecstatic said: Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
the conservative idea that you can increase spending, decrease taxes and expect it all to come together through some mysterious explosion of growth is utter and complete nonsense.
That isn't a conservative idea, who shuts down the govt trying to decrease spending, liberals?
That's not why those fucking idiot assholes shut down the government.
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The Ecstatic said: Liberals don't think deficit spending is a good idea, they just disagree with conservatives on how to balance the budget.
the conservative idea that you can increase spending, decrease taxes and expect it all to come together through some mysterious explosion of growth is utter and complete nonsense.
That isn't a conservative idea, who shuts down the govt trying to decrease spending, liberals?
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That isn't a conservative idea, who shuts down the govt trying to decrease spending, liberals?
They shut down government because they are often unwilling to pay the bills they authorize at an earlier time or because they want to sneak in some kind of theological policy that is unpopular with the voters into spending bills as a form of hostage taking ... pass it or else ... kinda strategy.
If the GOP wants to cut spending, let's see the spending cuts??? Military spending cuts ... entitlement spending cuts ... stuff that matters.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22418220 - 10/22/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Switching to single payer would save us money and cut corporate welfare.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421895/-Hey-WSJ-Bernie-s-Plan-SAVES-the-US-5-081-Trillion-on-Health-Care
One of Obama's biggest mistakes was not pursuing at least a TEST of Single Payer so that we could collect data on its efficiency vs. the current private insurance based system.
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