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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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"no plan at all to bring jobs back America"
Not true, tariffs and the deportation of illegals is a valid strategy. Whether he could accomplish that goal once President is another story, but he does have a plan.
Do you consider political PR slogans serious plans?
He said he would start with deportation of "the bad guys" ... these are not the people taking jobs from US Citizens.
The US has a DEMAND problem. How exactly will tariffs increase demand? Why would a corporation, looking at a short 4-year political cycle, make a huge decision to re-locate their manufacturing operations to the US knowing that in 4 years, all the rules may change? How could Trump unilaterally impose tariffs and just ignore a wide range of trade treaties the US has committed to?
I guess what I'm saying is Trump's ideas are tailor made for the gullible. It's not really a plan. It's a PR strategy.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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hostileuniverse said: Trump is actually in line with much of what Bernie crowd supports. He has said he's gonna raise taxes on Wall Street and billionaires, just not the middle class. He has advocated fixing our trade deficit, bring jobs back to America,
The main difference is he's not willing to institute programs that are gonna bankrupt us further than we already are
You're gullible. Trump supported nationalized health care, corporate bailouts, corporate welfare of many types and he has absolutely no plan at all to bring jobs back to America I've seen beyond ... "I'm a great negotiator." He's already setting up an adversarial role with both parties in congress which makes it very difficult to get anything done.
"no plan at all to bring jobs back America"
Not true, tariffs and the deportation of illegals is a valid strategy. Whether he could accomplish that goal once President is another story, but he does have a plan.
The wall would probably create jobs too.
Though I agree with Orca that his plan is more of a PR stunt
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"no plan at all to bring jobs back America"
Not true, tariffs and the deportation of illegals is a valid strategy. Whether he could accomplish that goal once President is another story, but he does have a plan.
Do you consider political PR slogans serious plans?
He said he would start with deportation of "the bad guys" ... these are not the people taking jobs from US Citizens.
The US has a DEMAND problem. How exactly will tariffs increase demand? Why would a corporation, looking at a short 4-year political cycle, make a huge decision to re-locate their manufacturing operations to the US knowing that in 4 years, all the rules may change? How could Trump unilaterally impose tariffs and just ignore a wide range of trade treaties the US has committed to?
I guess what I'm saying is Trump's ideas are tailor made for the gullible. It's not really a plan. It's a PR strategy.
"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
If you're suggesting Trump is the guy to reverse the globalism/corporatism trends of the last 50 years with a guy like Carl Icahn as his lead trade negotiator, good luck with that.
The consequences of just suddenly breaking trade agreements can be severe ... credit ratings ... Interest rates ... blowback like trade wars ... it's not that easy.
The US is stalled, to a large extent, because so much of the country's money supply is simply not active in the real economy any more. Add to that the reality that company's are investing more in technology and less in employees every year. We need a much more visionary president than a guy like Trump to turn things around. The frustration he would experience in office would be overwhelming to him. He's simply not used to sharing power and decision making authority the way a President has to. I think he's by an abysmal failure.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"no plan at all to bring jobs back America"
Not true, tariffs and the deportation of illegals is a valid strategy. Whether he could accomplish that goal once President is another story, but he does have a plan.
Do you consider political PR slogans serious plans?
He said he would start with deportation of "the bad guys" ... these are not the people taking jobs from US Citizens.
The US has a DEMAND problem. How exactly will tariffs increase demand? Why would a corporation, looking at a short 4-year political cycle, make a huge decision to re-locate their manufacturing operations to the US knowing that in 4 years, all the rules may change? How could Trump unilaterally impose tariffs and just ignore a wide range of trade treaties the US has committed to?
I guess what I'm saying is Trump's ideas are tailor made for the gullible. It's not really a plan. It's a PR strategy.
No, he said he would deport all illegals, then we can choose who we allow back in, you know, the way it's supposed to have been done along
And sanders voters aren't gullible, they're just dreamers who believe the fantasy of unicorns and pixie dust
Trump has laid out a comprehensive tax plan, so has Bernie sanders, I like trumps more, I guess I don't believe in a liberal socialist utopia, I've seen what socialism has done, Venezuela, Greece, Cuba, even scandanavia and Canada are experiencing problems because of it, Americans actually have it pretty fucking good right now, why you wanna take that away?
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: burgerbrain]
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I can see a potential apocalyptic scenario if we don't get a grip on a few things in our economy. The American economy just can't sustain this trend of wealth concentration. That's the real threat on many fronts.
It's a threat to democracy, as we all know. However, if you really think about it, you can't just keep increasing the 1%'s slice of the pie indefinitely. They're on track to own every scrap of equity and ounce of $ in this country within the next 100 years if trends keep up. That's not realistic, and they will break our economy before it ever happens, of course.
The time for redistribution is now, not later. The time to deal with climate change is also now. All of the things that have to be done will create incredible disruption in the current system, and nobody wants to face or deal with that reality.
The MIC is a great example of this. Dismantling the bloated military industrial complex will kill lots of jobs, and it will be painful.
The people in power want to kick this can as far down the road as possible, because once we start facing these realities, it will upset the incredibly good thing they have going.
The "rich" in Norway own almost just as much wealth per capita as the "rich" in the USA. More garbage slogans from a leftwinger-Bernie lowered the average IQ of democrats.
The rich continue to take a larger and larger slice of the pie. It is an upward trend. Your point is another non-sequitur anyway. The wealth gap was at its highest just before the Depression, and then the recession. This is basic math. You can't continue to give 1% more and more percentage-wise, without something breaking, and that has been the trend for decades.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
The US is stalled, to a large extent, because so much of the country's money supply is simply not active in the real economy any more. Add to that the reality that company's are investing more in technology and less in employees every year. We need a much more visionary president than a guy like Trump to turn things around. The frustration he would experience in office would be overwhelming to him. He's simply not used to sharing power and decision making authority the way a President has to. I think he's by an abysmal failure.
It wouldn't be " breaking trade deals" it would be renegotiating them so the US doesn't get completely fucked. Clinton and Obumble trade deals have fucked us, it's time we change that
Trump has negotiated multi billion dollar deals here and abroad, I'm sure he has the ability to work with a GOP led congress, a hostile congress run by the dems? You're prolly right
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No, he said he would deport all illegals, then we can choose who we allow back in, you know, the way it's supposed to have been done along
And sanders voters aren't gullible, they're just dreamers who believe the fantasy of unicorns and pixie dust
that is frigging hysterical!!!!! Anyone that listens to Trump and believes he can quickly deport ALL ILLEGALS and just overturn all our long standing trade deals is living in unicorn-ville.
I think you've got a bit of a pixie dust infection going on yourself.
Sanders plan is pretty simple ... break up the big banks, put in the Volker rule, tax the bejeezus out of predatory trading, get banks back into the business of lending to small businesses, lead the charge to more reasonable compensation policies and penalize companies that ship jobs overseas ... and, of course, much higher taxes on the wealthiest while getting big corporate money out of politics.
This sounds like a better and more doable plan that what I've heard thus far from Trump and his "great" plan that "everyone will love."
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If China doesn't want to 'renegotiate', then the only option is to break the trade deals.
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I'm sure he has the ability to work with a GOP led congress,
You mean the people he's been calling stupid and incompetent for the last 6 months? Those guys?
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: If China doesn't want to 'renegotiate', then the only option is to break the trade deals.
BINGO! These trade deals take years to create ... you don't just fly into office, call a meeting and whoosh ... it's all "re-negotiated." It doesn't work like that at the global level.
Ever heard of lawsuits? When you break deals you get lawsuits. That's how it works.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
If you're suggesting Trump is the guy to reverse the globalism/corporatism trends of the last 50 years with a guy like Carl Icahn as his lead trade negotiator, good luck with that.
The consequences of just suddenly breaking trade agreements can be severe ... credit ratings ... Interest rates ... blowback like trade wars ... it's not that easy.
Why you're so terrorized of a balance of trade with these countries makes no sense, they are fucking over the US worker and getting the rich in the US even richer, anything beats the status quo.
Fuck credit ratings, fuck interest rates, it's about bringing jobs back into the US, nothing has a higher priority.
If profit margins fall and labor gets a bigger piece of the pie, so be it, the Dow can drop down to 4000 and stay there.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Bigbadwooof said: If China doesn't want to 'renegotiate', then the only option is to break the trade deals.
BINGO! These trade deals take years to create ... you don't just fly into office, call a meeting and whoosh ... it's all "re-negotiated." It doesn't work like that at the global level.
Ever heard of lawsuits? When you break deals you get lawsuits. That's how it works.
Did the US sue China for its devaluation of the Yuan last month? Let's fact it, they do what the fuck they want to do.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
If you're suggesting Trump is the guy to reverse the globalism/corporatism trends of the last 50 years with a guy like Carl Icahn as his lead trade negotiator, good luck with that.
The consequences of just suddenly breaking trade agreements can be severe ... credit ratings ... Interest rates ... blowback like trade wars ... it's not that easy.
Why you're so terrorized of a balance of trade with these countries makes no sense, they are fucking over the US worker and getting the rich in the US even richer, anything beats the status quo.
Fuck credit ratings, fuck interest rates, it's about bringing jobs back into the US, nothing has a higher priority.
If profit margins fall and labor gets a bigger piece of the pie, so be it, the Dow can drop down to 4000 and stay there.
If the Dow drops to 4,000 and stays there, the poverty levels among the elderly and soon to retire will absolutely explode. It would send America into a recession that would make the last one look like a walk in the park. The amount of Real Estate defaults/foreclosures would be absolutely epic and government deficits would hit an all time high.
You gotta think these things through.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"How will exactly tariffs increase demand?"
More good paying jobs back in the US = more demand, it's really not the complicated. Remember the US before globalization?
If a leader could pressure a Congress to jump of board anything is doable. Trade agreements are written on paper and they can be broken, so be it. Realistically, the goal is to renegotiate the trade deals to have a BALANCE of trade.
The idea of getting tax revenue from the top 1/1000 of 1%ers for the working class is the ultimate gullible pipedream of all-time, never going to happen. At least when they have a job, they get a real paycheck.
If you're suggesting Trump is the guy to reverse the globalism/corporatism trends of the last 50 years with a guy like Carl Icahn as his lead trade negotiator, good luck with that.
The consequences of just suddenly breaking trade agreements can be severe ... credit ratings ... Interest rates ... blowback like trade wars ... it's not that easy.
Why you're so terrorized of a balance of trade with these countries makes no sense, they are fucking over the US worker and getting the rich in the US even richer, anything beats the status quo.
Fuck credit ratings, fuck interest rates, it's about bringing jobs back into the US, nothing has a higher priority.
If profit margins fall and labor gets a bigger piece of the pie, so be it, the Dow can drop down to 4000 and stay there.
If the Dow drops to 4,000 and stays there, the poverty levels among the elderly and soon to retire will absolutely explode. It would send America into a recession that would make the last one look like a walk in the park. The amount of Real Estate defaults/foreclosures would be absolutely epic and government deficits would hit an all time high.
You gotta think these things through.
So you embrace the fact that the elite have now tied the economy and retirement of the elderly into their casinos called the financial markets?
People have justified the propping up of the stock and real estate markets despite its moral hazards, we need to live in a world where it doesn't matter where the Dow trades!! Before the 1980's, the American public didn't give a rats ass where it traded and that was a good thing.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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So you embrace the fact that the elite have now tied the economy and retirement of the elderly into their casinos called the financial markets?
People have justified the propping up of the stock and real estate markets despite its moral hazards, we need to live in a world where it doesn't matter where the Dow trades!! Before the 1980's, the American public didn't give a rats ass where it traded and that was a good thing.
We're in 2015, not 1980. Most corporations have eliminated their pensions and most Americans don't have them to retire on. It's a small 401-K and Social Security/Medicare for the most part unless you're a government employee. Anyway, here's what I'd do to dramatically improve America's economy:
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
That should get the party started.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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So you embrace the fact that the elite have now tied the economy and retirement of the elderly into their casinos called the financial markets?
People have justified the propping up of the stock and real estate markets despite its moral hazards, we need to live in a world where it doesn't matter where the Dow trades!! Before the 1980's, the American public didn't give a rats ass where it traded and that was a good thing.
We're in 2015, not 1980. Most corporations have eliminated their pensions and most Americans don't have them to retire on. It's a small 401-K and Social Security/Medicare for the most part unless you're a government employee. Anyway, here's what I'd do to dramatically improve America's economy:
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
That should get the party started.
All decent ideas, don't forget deporting the illegals and their children, and highly incentivizing companies to bring back their operations into the US.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: qman]
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All decent ideas, don't forget deporting the illegals and their children, and highly incentivizing companies to bring back their operations into the US.
Deporting violent illegals will be a cinch ... Deporting the law abiding, working illegals will be much more difficult and costly.
A much more realistic solution is simply to quickly prosecute employers that hire undocumented workers and dramatically reduce benefits available to illegals in the country. A mass deportation program would literally tear the country apart and the expense would be enormous.
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Re: Does Bernie Sanders have a chance? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22413254 - 10/21/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said:
So you embrace the fact that the elite have now tied the economy and retirement of the elderly into their casinos called the financial markets?
People have justified the propping up of the stock and real estate markets despite its moral hazards, we need to live in a world where it doesn't matter where the Dow trades!! Before the 1980's, the American public didn't give a rats ass where it traded and that was a good thing.
We're in 2015, not 1980. Most corporations have eliminated their pensions and most Americans don't have them to retire on. It's a small 401-K and Social Security/Medicare for the most part unless you're a government employee. Anyway, here's what I'd do to dramatically improve America's economy:
1) Break up the big banks, instate the Volker Rule and put taxes on all forms of high frequency trading ... especially bid/offers that don't get executed 2) Make importation of middle east oil illegal after 2020. Pass a energy independence act for the Americas. 3) Create an OPTION for corporations to pay a 10% corporate rate if the VOLUNTARILY shrink the pay gap, top to bottom to no more than 25x. If they don't want that option, they stay with the current corporate tax plan. Include overseas outsourcing of jobs in the formula. 4) Encourage overseas corporate money to come home if it parks for 5 years in a technology investment bank focused on next generation energy and nano technology lending to smaller startups. 5) Expand the community college network dramatically and make it an integral part of how all forms of government assistance are handed out ... want food stamps? Go to class and get job training. 6) Increase taxes dramatically on any income over 10 million a year. 7) Dramatic campaign finance reform that takes the advantage the wealthy have AWAY so that every voter's voice is equal. 8) Force all politicians, CEO's and Lobbyists to disclose, every quarter, every meeting, agreement and discussion topic they had in terms of influencing political votes or face teethy prosecution. 9) Give labor an equal number of seats on corporate boards the way Germany does it. 10) Create a teaching corps of nationwide navy seal quality teaching trainers to start spreading top performer best teaching practices to every school.
That should get the party started.
And you think Trump's plan is hard to implement and expensive
And 401k's are awesome, 5-10% company match is the norm and usually you can put in up to 20% of your wages, last company I worked for matched 11%, 5 to the 401k and 6 in a separate pension plan, that company BTW, would be at the top of ALL your hit lists, the reason they don't work is because it's easier let daddy govt take care of you
Us people who actually like to have choice in our careers and believe in personal accountability, don't believe in Bernie Sanders
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