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saintdextro
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Seeing God.
#22377262 - 10/14/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes while I use dxm, even at low doses, I can stare at the blue sky and believe in god at the same time, the blue sky, thinking god is real at the same time, I feel I'm staring at god, not ultimate godhead, but God as creator, as creation itself, God as my eye/mind, oneness with sky, eye, God, all at the same time, peace, the best this life can give me I soppose, I'm satisfied when I'm there, quite, peace, cool wind.
I'm trying describing seeing the sky as God and me all being one at this same moment, can this be put into better words to make since? It's pure, clear, and no complaints arise, there's still more to do with life and sober up for time to be productive in a social way at some point, but it's in memory, and there to return to hopefully someday.
I guess if your sober and look at the sky you can get there too, anyways I like it, what's wrong with that?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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glimpee
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saintdextro said: Sometimes while I use dxm, even at low doses, I can stare at the blue sky and believe in god at the same time, the blue sky, thinking god is real at the same time, I feel I'm staring at god, not ultimate godhead, but God as creator, as creation itself, God as my eye/mind, oneness with sky, eye, God, all at the same time, peace, the best this life can give me I soppose, I'm satisfied when I'm there, quite, peace, cool wind.
I'm trying describing seeing the sky as God and me all being one at this same moment, can this be put into better words to make since? It's pure, clear, and no complaints arise, there's still more to do with life and sober up for time to be productive in a social way at some point, but it's in memory, and there to return to hopefully someday.
I guess if your sober and look at the sky you can get there too, anyways I like it, what's wrong with that?
God is within you. You create reality. You create YOURSELF. You ARE god.
I AM god.
I found this out through reality breaking experiences...
The mind stopped orginizing reality and the self...
I stopped existing. I was pure experience. Pure perception. Open eye visuals - reality is there as I move - but vastly different. Like god dropped the laws of physics.
But it was all me.
Animals aren't self aware.
I experienced not being self aware. I did not exist. I was not. I could still do, but I didn't exist.
Without the mind - you do not exist. We believe we exist because our mind convinces us - it orginizes us, it "understands" us
It does the same with reality.
You create it. You are also part of the universe. The universe created it. You are god. The universe is god. Perception is god.
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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just one i wanted to share with y/a , dear saint dextro. It's awesome that you had this experience, and more so that you shared it with us hehe. . . just to say thank you very much.
May I suggest Tara Brach as a good teacher / friend? Tho' i'd studied over a decade
( not a ton of books, always reading slowly for comprehension )
and somehow found such amazing teachers. . always surprised me, how my h'art felt called to such good ones, and could sense which ones were not so good, hehe. . . such a useful and important skill 
anyway, and made lots of progress, it was when i went through her teachings / audio Dharma, that I had the most transforming growth, and so forth..
anyway tarabrach.com's her wesbite. .
when you asked me about hinduism , that was cool hehe. . and , i always found it so wonderful. .
like - same understanding found on every corner of the globe. . . from every religion -- oneness is the nature of existence.
There aren't necessarily any better words than what you expressed, in all truth-- what i mean is - when you share,
well let me just say it was very good to read, and thank you and, may you be well, safe and happy, always if such is your wish 
spiritual protections have always been of keen interest to me --- Mirra Alfassa wrote, ' When one is in the divine state of consciousness, one can't be harmed - not even physically '
and i read that early on, and meditated on it for years..
oh I forgot to say a lovely one by B.e. ' If the vision was true and mighty, as I know it was, then it is true and mighty yet - for such things are of the Spirit '
o ya - so Tara, her audio's,. . . i enjoyed back then, greatly her talks from roughly '06 to '10, and '11. . . am sure the others are nice. . .
never was interested in the guided meditations, for me walking thru nature was the ideal there, just me personally -- i only share her name b'coz you mentioned, in the second para etc.
ya - these experiences can be a tremendous source of strength throughout life. . . an anchor, and this sort of thing.
Sending you lots of good thoughts Thank you for sharing such beauty, dear friend.
May all be happy, May all be healthy, May all be at peace. Namaste!
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Asante
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I often talk with God, but almost always its spirits speaking in its name.
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saintdextro
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Re: Seeing God. [Re: Asante]
#22377651 - 10/14/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I recently got a tara brach book from the library, I forget what it was called, loved it, it was about the RAIN reflection method, very nice I had it memorized and would repeat it quite often, been a couple months but thanks for reminding me, are you familiar with what I'm talking about?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Yep, tho not in depth. I remember, seeing Rain method mentioned; but I haven't read any of her books..
i grew so much from her talks, tho; quite a few, several dozen i would listen to while walking through peaceful streets, or thru nature trails. . . lost my mp3 player loong time past hehe
but i still have them on my laptop; i haven't listened to them in ages, am currently into Lefkada's sun, hehe. . . Lafcadio. .. wonderful and beautiful writer. . . beyond a lot; the Stevenson of Japan in a sense. 
and also. . . well sometimes I will glance at Shinran; otherwise, just here or there 
but those weeks and about months. . . as i say, her talks were about the most transforming experience of my life, so i frequently share them sometimes.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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oh! and music! ah, Celtic and Gaelic music can do so much to open the psychic centers of the h'art. . . especially Planxty, Archie Fisher and Bothy Band i have found. . . music in such goodness. . . the mode of sacred. .. i understood how every culture has nature-mystics, nature-lovers. . . especially, Japan, India, Gaelic, First People. . . others, natur'ly, every culture on the globe, Kanak culture, etc. . so beautiful -- the Celtic. . . how it meets up with the others is wonderful.
Peace and love 

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glimpee
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Re: Seeing God. [Re: Asante]
#22386857 - 10/16/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: I often talk with God, but almost always its spirits speaking in its name.
I am not trying to belittle your experiences but I am in the process of opening my mind and question anything existing past the self.
Meaning - so far I have no personal evidence that any of the incredible things I've experienced had any influence from outside my mind.
So excuse me for asking but I must - since I dont meet people who claim to speak to spirits often...
How do you know its god or gods spirits rather than your own mind creating it?
Again, I'm just going off theory and am not trying to belittle your experiences, but an open mind creates alongside the story the subconscious is following.... I've experienced this in incredible ways I wont get into... but at one point I thought I was ascending. Reality had ended and people were telling me I was going to be taken away to Then and After and some other places... But it was all my mind changing reality to fit my subconscious's story...
So is there any chance I could get you to elaborate on what you experience?
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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Re: Seeing God. [Re: glimpee]
#22387008 - 10/16/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The spirits use your brain like a keyboard to compose a message. They recyclev stuff you got stored in your memory and use it in ways that transfers a message.
I have no certainty if the Holy Ghost spoke through me, but Highr Ups, certainly. You recognize Higher spirits by that it comes from the inside outward and from the outside inward. You get amazing things happen that are entirely too outlandish to be coincidental, and they get called in advance.
These contacts lense reality, you become a focal point for unusual occurrances for days to weeks after.
Its more than just channeling, when you channel something high then reality warps in evidence of what has occurred. Its not to convince you but its the way it works. Inner world and outer world are connected.
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Re: Seeing God. [Re: Asante]
#22388158 - 10/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Higher self concept is a beautiful an interesting one. I previously thought - we are always having a conversation with our higher self, all the time, at least it's very possible to -- and then it's not like one that comes to any final conclusion, necessarily -- and quite often, it can be one without words. Kind of like the idiom, 'meditation is a conversation with silence,' or something like that. . . but where-ever we are, where-ever we go, there's always path to higher beauty, wisdom, and love - as the universe is infinite.
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Re: Seeing God. [Re: Asante]
#22468971 - 11/02/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: The spirits use your brain like a keyboard to compose a message. They recyclev stuff you got stored in your memory and use it in ways that transfers a message.
I have no certainty if the Holy Ghost spoke through me, but Highr Ups, certainly. You recognize Higher spirits by that it comes from the inside outward and from the outside inward. You get amazing things happen that are entirely too outlandish to be coincidental, and they get called in advance.
These contacts lense reality, you become a focal point for unusual occurrances for days to weeks after.
Its more than just channeling, when you channel something high then reality warps in evidence of what has occurred. Its not to convince you but its the way it works. Inner world and outer world are connected.
How do you know those are outside forces and not just... you?
I have experienced things that made me think I am god - as we all are. Without this reality, however, I am alone.
How do you know any of those messages come from beyond? Your subconscious could easily be the one trying to send you messages
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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My 3rd acid test had me and my tripping buddy looking into a gray, cold, drizzling November sky. This was 1972 and I think I had the experience of my inner eye focusing on Infinity like that setting on an expensive 35 mm camera ∞ . I thought, with shock, that I was 'seeing God.' It wasn't that I was seeing God with my physical eyes, but I had an experience of Infinity that I reflected on years later when I read of Huston Smith's passage (in The Religions of Man) on Christian author C.S. Lewis' childhood conception of God:
"This is as far as some minds need go. Most persons, however, find such abstractions empty. C.S. Lewis was among them; as a child, he tells us, he was warned by his parents against attaching concrete attributes to God, for these would hem him in and restrict his infinity. He tried his best, but the closest he could come to a notion of a formless God was an infinite sea of grey tapioca." 
The Sky God has been fundamental in several ancient cultures: Ouranos/Uranus in ancient Greece, Amun and Nut in Egypt (the starry night sky is the belly of Nut), the Semitic/hebrew El (an apt name for the Israeli airline is El Air), Varuna in Hinduism is god of the celestial waters, just as the primal chaos in the Book of Genesis is described as "waters," where both are metaphysical voids). The sky is more often masculine, although Egyptian Nut is feminine. The consorts of the sky gods are usually earth goddesses, but outside of Chinese culture where typically Western masculine and female symbols are reversed (e.g., an orange tiger would be masculine, fiery and solar in the West, and a dragon would be feminine, watery and lunar, the symbolic values are reversed in Chinese culture). These mythic tendencies are integrally related to the typical dualism of masculine-spiritual-eternal, feminine-material-temporal. This duality is symbolized by Shiva and Shakti in Hindu Tantric thought, or as Christ and the Virgin Mary (Theotokos - Mother of God) in whose womb the Eternal becomes clothed with flesh.
The bottom line is that the sky suggests spaciousness, immateriality, transparency, effulgence, and winged creatures of flight. Wings have been attributed to angelic beings or conjoined with earthy symbols like snakes (combined in the Caduceus of Hermes-Mercury for example), and celestial kingdoms in virtually all major cultures have been envisioned in the sky. These are archetypal images that belong to the collective unconscious of humanity - metaphysical conditions that are imaged according to sensory experiences of lightning (Zeus, Agni, Thor) or rainbows (the Greek mythic Iris for which the colored ring of our eye is named), the cumulus clouds that people have projected images on since time immemorial have become Olympus, Yggdrasil, or even the Pearly Gates. Tibetan Buddhist metaphors for the Clear Light of the Void are sometimes described as the 'clear and cloudless sky.' I grok the metaphors, few adults hopefully take them literally.
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After my first breakthrough experience on Mushrooms as well I met God, or my self per say.. that's how I found out who god was, it's been me, it's been you the whole time.. Anyway.. this isn't even remotely close to explaining it but I basically convinced myself that I had died on my peak and I was living in actual heaven.
Everything I was seeing and feeling I simply could not believe, I figured I had to be dead this is literally heaven, everything was so perfect, surreal, eternally blissful and all awe-inspiringly breath taking in the moment of the essence, I just sat in the presence of God, we all have god inside of us or the connection to what connects us all, it's a feeling of becoming One with everything in the universe and entire existence, it leaves you very humbled, removes all filters of your self and ego and shows the true soul, you see yourself in the light of what you were created for, and the true divinity of how special you really are. The mysteries of the universe are being displayed to you visually and mentally, you can feel it in your body and soul pure truth, you feel an all-knowing presence which is you.
You see true pristine, complex intricate beauty on the most unimaginable levels, you are consciously aware and watching the inner workings of the universe. It was truly the feeling of God, or the feeling of being the mysteries and creation itself of the universe
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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saintdextro
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Nice eclipse, it sounds like you had the trip we have all been looking for! Makes me glad to meet you, so much bs in the drug scene, the money bs, the oxy addicts dreadfully neglecting there kids care (literally, a close friend of mine family can't even get there babies diapers, not enough money for there fix) but here we have, now it's just a rumor to the world, but you're post is one of the reasons why I choose to call drugs "psychoactives", rather than "drugs", too stigmatized and clearer and sounds cleaner, psychoactives can bring spiritual, religious, therapeutic, and my favorite tag, "clean" experiences,,,,and even than, I don't hate oxy, I enjoy it, but come on people, babies come first!
Markos, any more info on the Hindu stuff about the sky? I believe mentioned Varuna "masculine", but it seems most Vedic deities have a wife, I'm curious because I'm more into the Shakti mother Goddess sect of Hinduism, great post like the most of them, keep them coming!
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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