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Relating to Jesus's death
    #22377242 - 10/14/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For quite awhile now I have a hard time to picturing Jesus on the cross, just to much suffering, I've never felt so much pain as he must have felt, neither in a physical way or to sound strange, emotional either, he and every other human or creature has felt so much, I've always been sensitive and what I would call weak, low tolerance for pain, and scared I well feel pain as much as the slugs I poured salt on as a kid (guilt), I cry sometimes when I'm inebriated and looking at the crucifix, but when I'm sober I can only briefly see Jesus on there and get scared, like I don't know how to relate feelings and for that I feel like I'm not doing enough justice in my heart, should I hurt myself a little by whipping my back till it bleeds?

The Catholics are known for having a bleeding, crying Jesus on there wall, I just can't have that on my wall, a cross well do for me, how can we play cards and tell jokes whiles Jesus bleeds beside us, what if I suggested to Catholics to make an auto-mechanic crucifix, with him wiggling and audibly crying, blood dripping, all day and night, I think Jesus would understand what I'm saying, remembering his death is very important, but it's the easter reserrection that is my favorite holy day of the year, much relief in my minds eye.

My favorite ritual in my church is communion, first Sunday of the month, it means so much to me, I take it seriously, sometimes I fell I've been doing some wrongs things and don't take it tell my heart is in the right place, pray for me and help me deal with this issue, much love! :thumbup:


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: saintdextro]
    #22377288 - 10/14/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think you'd get a lot more spiritual awareness by just taking a dose of magic mushrooms. At least those are real.


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22377595 - 10/14/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its a bit masochist to depict Christ on the cross I think, if you like JFK you don't have that autopsy pic of him on your wall either.

I would love to own a Nkisi made of the wood of the Cross but, no I hate to see Jesus Christ crucified too.


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: saintdextro]
    #22378289 - 10/14/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Read the nag hammad and the books banned by the council of nicaea if you really want to understand Christianity in it's full context.
There's also a lot of symbolism about logos that is missed.

The Second Treatise of the Great Seth

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I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death.  Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns.  But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.



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    For Adam was a laughingstock,  since he was made a counterfeit type of man by the realm of seven,  as if he had become stronger than my brothers and me. We are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned. And Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were a laughingstock, since they, the counterfeit fathers, were given a name by the realm of seven, as if he had become stronger than my brothers and me. We are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned. David was a laughingstock in that his son was named the human son, having been influenced by the realm of seven, as if he had become stronger than the fellow members of my race and me. But we are innocent with respect to him; we have not sinned. Solomon was a laughingstock, since he thought that he was Christ,  having become vain through the realm of seven, as if he had become stronger than my brothers and me. But we are innocent with respect to him. I have not sinned. The twelve prophets were laughingstocks, since they have come forth as imitations of the true prophets. They came into being as counterfeits through the realm of seven, as if he had become stronger than my brothers and me. But we are innocent with respect to it, since we have not sinned. Moses, a faithful servant,  was a laughingstock, having been named the friend,  since they perversely bore witness concerning him, who never knew me. Neither he nor those before him, from Adam to Moses and John the baptizer, none of them knew me or my brothers.

    For they had a doctrine of angels to observe dietary laws and bitter slavery, since they never knew truth, nor will they know it. For there is a great deception upon their soul making it impossible for them ever to find a mind of freedom in order to know him, until they come to know the human son. Now, concerning my father, I am he whom the world did not know, and because of this, the world rose up against my brothers and me. But we are innocent with respect to it; we have not sinned.

    For the ruler was a laughingstock because he said, “I am god, and there is none greater than I. I alone am the father, the lord, and there is no other god but me. I am a jealous god, who brings the sins of the fathers upon the children for three and four generations.”  As if he had become stronger than my brothers and me! But we are innocent with respect to him, in that we have not sinned, since we mastered his teaching. Thus he is in an empty glory and does not agree with our father. And so through our fellowship we overcame his teaching, since he was vain in an empty glory. And he does not agree with our father, for he was a laughingstock with judgment and false prophecy.

    O you who do not see, who do not see your blindness, that this is who was not known. They have never known him, nor have they known about him. They did not listen to a reliable report. Therefore they proceeded in a judgment of error, and they raised their defiled and murderous hands against him as if they were beating the air. And the senseless and blind ones are always senseless, always being slaves of law and earthly fear.





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When James heard of his suffering and was much distressed, they awaited the sign of his coming. And he came after several days. And James was walking upon the mountain which is called "Gaugelan", with his disciples, who listened to him because they had been distressed, and he was [...] a comforter, saying, "This is [...] second [...]" Then the crowd dispersed, but James remained [...] prayer [...], as was his custom.
And the Lord appeared to him. Then he stopped (his) prayer and embraced him. He kissed him, saying, "Rabbi, I have found you! I have heard of your sufferings, which you endured. And I have been much distressed. My compassion you know. Therefore, on reflection, I was wishing that I would not see this people. They must be judged for these things that they have done. For these things that they have done are contrary to what is fitting."
The Lord said, "James, do not be concerned for me or for this people. I am he who was within me. Never have I suffered in any way, nor have I been distressed. And this people has done me no harm. But this (people) existed as a type of the archons, and it deserved to be destroyed through them. But [...] the archons, [...] who has [...] but since it [...] angry with [...] The just [...] is his servant. Therefore your name is "James the Just". You see how you will become sober when you see me. And you stopped this prayer. Now since you are a just man of God, you have embraced me and kissed me. Truly I say to you that you have stirred up great anger and wrath against yourself. But (this has happened) so that these others might come to be."
But James was timid (and) wept. And he was very distressed. And they both sat down upon a rock. The Lord said to him, "James, thus you will undergo these sufferings. But do not be sad. For the flesh is weak. It will receive what has been ordained for it. But as for you, do not be timid or afraid". The Lord ceased.
Now when James heard these things, he wiped away the tears in his eyes and very bitter [...] which is [...]. The Lord said to him, "James, behold, I shall reveal to you your redemption. When you are seized, and you undergo these sufferings, a multitude will arm themselves against you that <they> may seize you. And in particular three of them will seize you - they who sit (there) as toll collectors.





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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22379382 - 10/14/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would recommend you go on youtube and listen to the book the practice of the presence of God by Bother Lawrence.

I too have had lots of issues dealing with and suffering and ressiting/avoiding it. But this book has helped me to learn a little bit more about how to relate with suffering. Its also a wonderful book in general.


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: saintdextro]
    #22380078 - 10/14/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i go to a lutheran church, and the cross is empty... christ is risen !!!


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: gnrm23]
    #22380598 - 10/14/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol..I am Christ..relate?


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Re: Relating to Jesus's death [Re: gnrm23]
    #22380644 - 10/14/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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gnrm23 said:
i go to a lutheran church, and the cross is empty... christ is risen !!!





My lawn is getting tall, and the lawnmower sits bare... Jesus is deported!!!


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