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Zen Gonzoism
    #22377235 - 10/14/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So, I thought to post this thing here. It's just that I like to know what people think of all of this. I thought to make a Facebook site for all of it, but it's damn hard to get likes and possibly because it's all rubbish, but one alternative is that many people don't understand about the subject as well as psychonauts. I'm just interested about your thoughts and of course you can put your own reflections towards the reality and what it is all about if you wish. It's a pretty simple text. Thank you!

Zen Gonzoism

Well, yes Zen Gonzoism is a weird thing. I don't think most of the people will understand much of it, but I wanted to make a site for all of it. Basically Zen Gonzoism or gonzoism is my word for all of the -isms from pantheism to atheism and from deism to theism. Even political -isms, well they all are gonzoism. Get it? I made a word for everything. Everything is gonzoism! Every single -ism that you will pick to believe in is in gonzoism.

Still I'm mostly atheist gonzoist. It's a thing that I don't like the concepts of authority and to believe in a theist God, well it's something superficial because in the root we could find that God isn't anything superficial and therefore atheism works the best!

I'm into Buddhism, but Buddha didn't for me explain the concepts of the reality to that state, that I would be a Buddhist. Zen Gonzoism is close to Buddhism, but instead of meditation it's more towards magic mushrooms. Also when Buddha saw karma as positive (+) and negative (-), well in Zen Gonzoism the mechanics of the cosmos are +, -, *, /. It's simple because everything in the cosmos can be explained through mathematics and basically using +, -, *, /.

The biggest problem of course in the cosmos is that we don't know the relationship of the consciousness towards the cosmos. For an example if atoms make consciousness, well we should have found some sort of clues how atoms are capable of doing so. Some sort of root that would explain how the atoms can be conscious. We just don't know how atoms can create consciousness at the moment. If there was to come the "theory of everything", well then the theory would have to explain also consciousness or then the theory is incomplete. Get it? We just don't know what consciousness is about. Is everything made of the same stuff as consciousness like for an example if everything is made of information, well would then consciousness be made of information and all the bits and pieces of the cosmos would be made of the same stuff?

But the point of Zen Gonzoism isn't to explain consciousness. You can check the thoughts of David Chalmers towards the consciousness on TED, or I can put it here in the end, but that's just the thing we simply can't tell what the cosmos is about until we understand the relationship of the consciousness towards the cosmos.

My main interest in Zen Gonzoism is to explain that the whole cosmos is of shallow mechanics and deep mechanics. Shallow mechanics could mean that we don't have free will and consciousness isn't anything important and we will just die. Deep mechanics would mean that there are deeper mechanics for it all and consciousness could be relevant to to the cosmos and there could be things like rebirth, possibly afterlife, mainly rebirth unless you want to think that everything in the cosmos is psychophysical and ponder things like Nirvana, the band of course. Psychophysicality is possible since all could be made of the same stuff, etc.

Now why I'm towards the deep mechanics in Zen Gonzoism? The reason behind is that I view the cosmos as a mystery novel. It's a strange concept but here me out. I don't believe that we have invented anything, I believe that we have only discovered things in the cosmos. Do you really think that people invented the combustion engine, or found it possible in the cosmos? If we would have invented something, well then we would have created it, and I'm more towards the idea that we don't invent anything. Of there could be inventions, but inventions are all those things that are false, the right things are what we discover, get it? We didn't discover God, we invented God, or perhaps some people in altered states of consciousness even discovered God, but I'm going with Zen Gonzoism.

Now for an example we did we invent the science? Electricity existed in the cosmos before us, we just discovered it. We didn't invent nuclear plants, we discovered them to be possible. We just discover more and more strange and bizarre things in the reality, and for me the whole technological progression and inventions or discoveries like the Holographic Principle, well the place looks very odd and therefore there are possibility for deeper mechanics surrounding everything. Get the joke? Well, I truly don't know if the Holographic Principle is a discovery or an invention, could be shit, might not be shit, but still we discover more and more bizarre things in the cosmos, and therefore it could have some sort of meaning, or reason. There could be the deeper mechanics.

For an example mathematics? Well was mathematics discovered or invented? In a way, well the symbols that we use for mathematics, well probably they were invented, but still the structure is that in the cosmos most likely many extraterrestrial beings use mathematics and therefore it is to think that mathematics actually is discovered. It could be both. At some level discoverd and some level invented, but more likely to be discovered since it's a ground rule for the cosmos to work by when beings start to analyze it.

Still I wish to take Zen Gonzoism a tiny bit deeper. It's because in magic mushrooms you can experience such thing as adinkras, some could mean glyphs, but in your vision you can see these little symbols in the background, or everywhere. You might think them to be nothing, but they kinda show that the cosmos could be based on mechanical or mathematical form. It's just that of course there are much weirder things you can experience in magic mushrooms or in other psychedelics, but as little thing as that, well it's interesting why the mind would shape such objects part of the reality.

Get it? Zen Gonzoism is a bit strange thing because it's not like Buddhism. Zen Gonzoism is based that the universal function of everything goes down to +, -, * and /. Get it? I couldn't ever explain the mechanics because I aren't in that level of understanding in physics and mathematics, but that I know that all could be a lot deeper than what we realize. When Buddha thought that everything would be karma and +/-, well I just think that the mechanics that operate through us by the cosmos, well they could be a tiny bit weirder than what Buddha had to say about them. It's even in Buddhism that Buddhism is the ferry, but at at some point you must abandon it. Same thing with Zen Gonzoism. It's a start, not that amazing start, but it's a start! You could become a Hindu, you could become a Christian, you could be become a Buddhist, but the main thing about Zen Gonzoism, well it's just a start to amaze the mechanics of the cosmos.

In some sense mathematics just is universal. If there was different realities, well then you could understand that probably still a circle can be calculated with the pi. I truly couldn't tell if it's part of the cosmos in a deeper way, or is mathematics an invention, but it seems to work like a charm to understand the cosmos and everything. The +, -, * and /, well through them you can calculate pretty much everything in the cosmos and therefore for an example in some form even the extraterrestrials would use them and therefore all of them are discoveries in the cosmos and part of the mechanics. Even Niels Bohr regarded: “Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.”, and therefore you could imagine that everything could go with a set of rules that are even deeper than what we imagine them to be. For an example I'm not that much of a man towards an afterlife as a continuation with memories, could happen, might not happen, but I think that in the concept of the reality could be rebirth because the strangeness of the cosmos is towards the idea that for everything there could actually be some sort of mechanics.

The problem just is that I understand that there could be the mechanics, but I also do understand that I'm not the man to say the final truth about them because I'm very well aware that the mechanics in this abstract thing we call the cosmos could be much more than what I can imagine and handle. In future there could come a philosopher of science or just a scientist of science who could create a concept for the reality where everything could be an intertwined whole, or might not be, but still there are ways for the deeper mechanics and since we can't exactly pinpoint the reason why we are here, well the reason could be deeper than it's thought. I just have this tiny hunch about the subject, and I'm not saying that there couldn't be some sort of the One-Above-All who would be the root of the existence and the creator, but I do wish that in the end the mechanics would be about deeper stuff than some sort of consciousness creating the existences.

Get it? In LSD I have seen stuff like the eye of God in front of me and I have heard the Devil to speak to me, but they aren't my cup of tea because I'm very aware that they could be just reflections of the shallow or deep mechanics, and therefore my interest in the end is towards the mechanics that are beneath the surface. It's like when the Buddha saw Mara's three daughters, well that didn't change Buddha's mind towards atheism because the root which from everything exists might not be about one single entity, but a form of interconnectedness, or I hope it to be something like that when the scientists of science and philosophers of the science might come to be aware. There are stuff like quantum entanglement which is pretty strange and of course the wave-particle duality and when you start to think deeper about the mechanics of the cosmos, well you come to a conclusion that the whole shit could be deep. Also I want to put in the end a quote from Hunter S. Thompson. Hunter S. Thompson has also written about being a road man for the lords of karma, but I want to put this thing here because you can't find spirituality, there is no spirituality, there is just mechanics and the only thing of worth of investigating are the mechanics, are they shallow or deep?

“We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.” - Hunter S. Thompson

Get it? All that I am is just mathematics/mechanics.

And that is basically what Zen Gonzoism is about except still gonzoism is the word for everything and this is just a small sample of everything. I just wanted to create a word that would be all the -isms. Gonzoism. Also pick up a book like the Diamond Sutra and read it by thinking that there could be deeper mechanics, or if you are towards the idea that there must be some sort of the One-Above-All behind the weirdness of the cosmos, well read something like the Bhagavad Gita. Zen Gonzoism isn't that much in general. It's just a route to understand that there could be mysteries to the cosmos which we aren't fully in an understanding yet.


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Re: Zen Gonzoism [Re: Hattivattitatti]
    #22377641 - 10/14/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, well I thought to write this little thing also... I know it's silly shit, but this is all I am in my study towards the cosmos and if people have better concepts, well I would love to hear about them!

The Dharma Bum / Bodhisattva of Zen Gonzoism

Now, lets chill. You must understand that I do read about other religions. I like other religions. For an example if a person wishes to see the cosmos as a intertwined whole, well easy step is to think that the cosmos is something like the Brahman of Hinduism. Something impersonal, but that there is something that penetrates it all. Of course my thing mostly is just Buddhism and there are possibilities for things like Nirvana, outside the band, because all could be psychophysical. If everything was made of the same stuff, well we couldn't exactly pinpoint what the stuff is but everything would be it.

Still I'm not saying that the shallow mechanics couldn't be true, but just that my life in general has gone towards the idea of deeper mechanics. I do think that when we understand the cosmos completely, well we will understand that the structure is perfect and I don't think that the structure would be perfect if death was the final resolution. I'm more towards being a materialist and think towards the idea of rebirth. Still we just can't explain the relationship of the consciousness towards the cosmos. We truly can't know do we exist because of the mechanics of the cosmos, or are we just in luck to exist. Everything in the cosmos seems to be about infinity and I feel that at some point we could understand that our existence could also be about infinity.

So, I put the notion that I would be the Bodhisattva of Zen Gonzoism. The truth is that we truly can't tell who would come to be in touch with the bodhicitta, who would come to be a bodhisattva. In Buddhism anyone can become such, in Zen Gonzoism anyone can be such. The point just isn't to become a person of Zen Gonzoism, but to broader the aspects how the person experiences and sees the reality. In Zen Gonzoism that can happen through magic mushrooms because it's an easier way to perceive the mechanics and the strangeness of the reality than meditation. Of course magic mushrooms could lead to the experiments towards meditation, but Zen Gonzoism understands that the person is just mechanics of the cosmos and therefore Zen Gonzoism understands the goal of some with meditation, to be one with the cosmos, well how wouldn't you be one with the cosmos when you are it's mechanics?

Still like I said I'm a dharma bum that goes through religions, or has gone through them and therefore you must think is the pondering of the idea of a bodhisattva, the reality, or just gonzo journalism?

And the thing just is that I'm not sure with the mechanics. I'm not sure how deep they run in people. I know that the unconscious mind is somewhat an experiencer to the reality which we give to it and at some level it crunches the data, like in dreams. It's strange why the unconscious mind creates such abstract, but sometimes very clear experiences towards the cosmos in psychedelics. The point being is that, well in mushrooms you can see glyphs, adinkras, and all of them are part of the mechanics of the cosmos. The idea behind is that they are very simple stuff coming from the unconscious mind, but still they pack a healthy dose of questioning towards the mechanics and how we all are part of the mechanics.

I would love to write that when Moses saw God, when Buddha saw Mara's three daughters, when Jesus saw Devil, when Muhammad saw Gabriel, when Vyasa saw Ganesha, well that all of them would be because of the intertwined cosmos, but I can't be certain of the level of depth in our consciousness towards the existence. If that would be the case, well then all religions could be somewhat true, but still I would go with atheism and the mechanics because all of the beings would be reflections of the mechanics of the cosmos. I for an example have seen the eye of God, I have heard the Devil, I have seen that the existence is endless, but I also have seen red carpet in front of me with birds singing and dogs playing trumpets. Get it? I truly think that they all are reflections. Of course someone could take the thought towards the idea that we are structured with dualism, that in some sense as metaphorical aspects the God and the Devil live inside of us as the positive and negative, but still both of them would be just metaphysical aspects and reflections of the mechanics.

So, even if I was to take the idea that somehow all religions would be real experiences in the altered states of consciousness, well I would still only speak of mechanics and reflections towards the reality. Perhaps if the whole cosmos is a intertwined whole in a more depth, well the craziness could be part of it all in a deeper level, but the truth is that all of the experiences could come from chaos and as hallucinations without any sort of point in them except that when a person goes by his/her path as a mechanical object/subject towards the reality, well you can experience such events coming from your unconscious mind. There either is depth in them, or there isn't, but that doesn't make me to believe that the mechanics can only be deep if the experiences are part of the reality, because I truly don't care about such experiences, but I'm more in tuned to experiences that speak about deeper mechanics. I don't care about beings in psychedelics. I care about the mechanics even if the beings are parts of the mechanics, but I feel them more towards reflections. Get it?

The basic point in a bodhisattva is that he/she understands somewhat the idea that the mechanics are deeper than what we realize. Bodhisattva no longer feels that there is death, he/she understands that life can be of a much more in depth experience. I couldn't say everything for 100 % truth, but through the experience of life, well everything has gone towards the idea that the mechanics of the cosmos could be of much more depth than what we realize at the moment.

So, still I'm basically towards the idea that somehow the mechanics would go towards the idea of a rebirth. I don't know about the idea of psychophysical reality to such extent that it could induce Nirvana in people, as a band!, but still even that is possible because we can know how the structure works and what is the relationship of the structure towards the consciousness. As a Bodhisattva of Zen Gonzoism, well I don't think that I'm going to Nirvana anytime soon because I feel that I have a lot to experience in the possible universes or realities that could exist in the cosmos. The thing just is that my Zen Gonzoism is feel-good shit, and when you start to study all the phenomenons of physics and start to ponder why this seems like a mystery novel where we discover all the time new technology and new possibilities, well you just start to wonder: "Is death the final answer to the structure? Couldn't there be deeper mechanics for continuation of life in some manner?"

Get it? You aren't supposed to take Zen Gonzoism with rationality, or serious because the point just is that for an example psychedelics sometimes think that it's all abstract. It could come from the unconscious mind and have little meaning, but then you just start to wonder, well why so fucking abstract? What's the whole point of this shit? It's not like we know all the answers yet and there could be the possibility that the mechanics are somehow deeper. Could time curve from the end back to the beginning? I don't fucking know, but I know that this reality is pretty strange shit and therefore there is the possibility to expect more from the reality than just death!

It's isn't that because I do psychedelics I can't be a fucking bodhisattva. I feel that many of the users of psychedelics as psychonauts, well many of them might have even reached higher levels than what I have experienced. I don't even know did Buddha go that high? That's fucking Zen Gonzoism! The cosmos could be of chaos, but it still could have mechanics which underline the whole existence. It could be about harmony, it could be about synchronicity, it could be about many things, but I just feel that at the moment there is no absolute truth in people because most of the people in their thoughts are bias. The only harm that I can do is to say that there is deeper mechanics and if there isn't, well then there fucking wasn't! It's for the future to tell!

Get it? The deepest question concerning psychedelics is that do they come from the unconscious mind or are they created by the conscious mind. If they come from the unconscious mind, well then all the strangeness is part of the reality as such without the conscious mind being able to that much change the experience. Of course conscious mind could interact with the unconscious mind, but still if the unconscious mind is the source and that can give people experiences of strange and bizarre happenings, well even in chaos it makes the cosmos much more interesting place since no one really controls the experiences and therefore what the unconscious mind comes to be in touch, like in a dream, well it's a mechanical thing of wonder from Buddha and Mara's three daughters to Moses and God. They all could be just gonzo, but still that gonzo is part of the reality even if beneath all the experiences would be just "darkness". For an example I could explain by seeing the existence as endless, to the eye of God, to the halo around me at the size of the world, to "heaven" and "hell" to go to my sides and from that to hearing the Devil in Egypt as a flashback, well I could say that I'm the Messiah, but the thing would be that it would be just gonzo created possibly my own mind and I could be a pretty selfish fuck, but that is how I as the mechanics of the cosmos came to be realized of my own strangeness! Perhaps Jesus made himself in his own mind to be the Messiah? Perhaps Muhammad made himself to be a Prophet? Perhaps Moses also made himself in his mind to be a Prophet? Maybe Siddhartha Gautama made himself in his mind to be the Buddha? Get it? All the shit might be gonzo, but that is the fucking way the world goes around. The mechanics in their depth could be just about the fact that you do what you make yourself to be. Do what thou wilt! And perhaps Jesus for some reason made himself to be the Messiah, and perhaps that is the mechanics. You create yourself to be whatever you wish in the chemical wedding with your unconscious mind being hyperconnected to your conscious mind! So, yes of course it's gonzo journalism because my message just doesn't work as well as their messages.


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