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Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT * 1
    #22376600 - 10/14/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Immediately after vaping the shatter, my head went POP like would on DMT and I was instantly shot into hyperspace.  Most of it is a blur but I remember it being out there.  It's been a few days and I'm still pretty spaced out. Hash/weed alone in combination with acid never shot me that far out of my head.  There's something special about that shatter.  I was also on small dose (.125mg) of clonazolam taken ~6 hours before the trip, as well as a bunch of kratom, which helped to ground me throughout the ride.  One of the best combos IMO.  I'm going to keep my shatter tolerance low, actually I'm going to save the shatter just for trips, so I can blast off into hyperspace every time.  That was probably the 2nd most intense acid trip I've had (in the good way).

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #22376639 - 10/14/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What do you remember?


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #22376667 - 10/14/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have memory of bright neon dmt like colors, and the sensation of flying/zooming through hyperspace, and it feeling macrocosmic in scope.  I don't remember any specific visuals, but the colors and the 4D appearance of them is pretty vivid in my memory.  I remember it being very DMT-like; makes me wonder if it released some endogenous DMT or something.  It was also like a cosmic orgasm at times, I remember waking from hyperspace to use the washroom and I could barely walk because I was in a drunken blissed out OBE state.  Don't think I've craved going back into a trip so much.

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22376687 - 10/14/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blankk said:
makes me wonder if it released some endogenous DMT or something.





nah


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22376699 - 10/14/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

eh, it's just something to wonder about, i wouldn't be so sure myself.

people with psychosis were found to have various tryptamines in their blood or piss, so who knows

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22376780 - 10/14/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's pretty well researched.  So I doubt it, but I'll agree that BHO on top of LSD can be super mind bending.  You have to realize they protentiate each other.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22376801 - 10/14/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What surprised me is how much potentiation there was compared to other forms of THC.  Like crack to cocaine, the shatter hits harder and faster so is capable of much more.  Not to mention the fact that my tolerance to it is super low, I've only used the stuff a few times.

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22376845 - 10/14/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thats  really interstin.

Got to try that when i have actually both!

Is wax the same as shatter?


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #22376857 - 10/14/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Robert Anton Wilson wrote a book, "Sex, Drugs, and the Occult". It's basically a dissertation on the way drugs have been used to enter altered states of consciousness over the course of human history.

The interesting bits pick up when he describes people like Hassan I Sabbah who trained at some of the top medical schools in the world at the time and picked up alot of pharmacology knowledge as well as some of the best education one could have at the time.  Anywho Hassan I Sabbah used this knowledge to mix together a concoction of what is speculated to be a time release combination of opiates and decarboxilated forms of hashish.  Apparently he used the opium to knock out the initiates into his group and when they came to the edibles would kick in and they'd be in a room full of beautiful naked women.  They'd tell them Hassan I Sabbah allowed them a glimpse into paradise and from all accounts started basically mauling those men in their already states of ecstasy.  After which another time release dose of opiates would kick in and they'd wake up in front of Hassan I Sabbah and depending on their answer upon awakening they'd either be put into a sect of assassins pledging their lives to Hassan. (It's actually where the bastardization of the word hashassin was turned into today's Assasin).
  Or some would decide that all things are permissible and be put into a sect which some speculate could be the higher eschelons of what some people would refer to as "The illuminated".

Hassan I Sabbah founded a sect of Islam the you could argue has never truly been taken over.just goes to show you how sex, cannabis and ritual can be brought together to re-imprint minds into whatever reality tunnel you desire given the proper know how.

Cannabis is a very powerful neurochemical given the right set and setting.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22376864 - 10/14/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not exactly.  To me wax (unless made yourself) Can actually be really really under-purged. Shatter, has a different consistency and IMHO has a higher chance of being well purged.  Careful about black market wax ladies and gents.  Under ourged concentrates can lead to male pattern baldness and really bad lungs.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22376894 - 10/14/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That is interesting. 

I gotta say, an oral dose of weed combined with a large dose of ketamine has got to be one of my favorite
psychedelic experiences.  The cannabis really shows its psychedelic side in this combo.

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22376898 - 10/14/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dudes I gotta try that!  Do you think MXE would be too much different.  Never tried Ketamine


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22376926 - 10/14/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure, never tried weed edibles on MXE.  I imagine it would be
similar. 

It is an extremely colorful and spiritual experience, next to DMT.  Entities and all...

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #22376961 - 10/14/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If agree with that to an extent.  Bit ive also been into this mode where I'm taking the Jungian approach to all of this.  As if the entities we experience in these altered states are archetypal personifications of the innermost workings of your mind. And all men's consciousness.  The invariable ID if you must.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22376997 - 10/14/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes, yes I would agree, especially when it comes
to schizophrenic episodes and the
entities experienced uduring those. Other times, it seems like
they have an actual existence, especially when they move
physical objects.around you and make themselves known that way .

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22377065 - 10/14/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If agree with that to an extent.  Bit ive also been into this mode where I'm taking the Jungian approach to all of this.  As if the entities we experience in these altered states are archetypal personifications of the innermost workings of your mind. And all men's consciousness.  The invariable ID if you must.




There is more I want to say on this, as I have similar thoughts. Hard to expand
on ideas talking online, the flow of real conversation makes it a lot easier.  I think we could build on this if we were talking in person.

Edited by Hobozen (10/14/15 05:28 AM)

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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22377805 - 10/14/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you thought a dab on lsd was intense and 'dmt like' you should really try lsdmt


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Bugler Boy] * 1
    #22377943 - 10/14/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you thought a dab on lsd was intense and 'dmt like' you should really try lsdmt




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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22377946 - 10/14/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

TheGreenArrow said:
If agree with that to an extent.  Bit ive also been into this mode where I'm taking the Jungian approach to all of this.  As if the entities we experience in these altered states are archetypal personifications of the innermost workings of your mind. And all men's consciousness.  The invariable ID if you must.




There is more I want to say on this, as I have similar thoughts. Hard to expand
on ideas talking online, the flow of real conversation makes it a lot easier.  I think we could build on this if we were talking in person.




There's also the idea the brain is a reflection of the larger cosmos so it acts like an echo chamber if the right states are reached.


Holonomic brain theory

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222493767_Chaos_theory_and_the_evolution_of_consciousness_and_mind_A_thermodynamic-holographic_resolution_to_the_mind-body_problem
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This address describes Neurological Positivism's (NP) energetic evolution of consciousness, mind, and the brain-mind relationship within a model that integrates ideas and research from chaos theory, Pribram's holonomic brain theory, evolutionary theory, and the laws of thermodynamics (the energy laws The energetic evolution and encapsulation of space-time consciousness from chaotic-holographic environments is described. Consciousness is described as a natural evolutionary space-time template of continuously generated self-referential energy patterns (algorithms). The energetic evolution of mind is described as a natural self-referential exteriorization of the algorithmic organization of consciousness in the form of culturally shared mental models. It is proposed that the brain-mind energy relationship has historically undergone and continues to undergo change, and that this change is a natural thermodynamic arrow that constitutes the evolution of culture. That is, the evolution of culture proceeds in the direction of progressively more complete and efficient exteriorizations of the algorithmic organization of the brain-thus, for example, the recent evolution of brain-like computing systems and virtual reality systems. Accordingly, an uneven, but closing, central-energy-state identity (self-similarity) between brain and mind is described. It is concluded that NP's conception of mind helps us understand the evolutionary unfoldment of culture, and provides a sense of direction as to its future.



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PRIBRAM: Yes. There are lots of different ways of phrasing this. One is that mental phenomena are emergent properties of how the brain works, and so it's almost like the brain is secreting vision and mind and all that. But maybe a better way of talking about it would be to say that mental phenomena arise through the interaction between brain and body and the environment and -- this is what Karl Popper says -- that whole interactive thing produces an emergent, which we call mind and spirit, and so on. I think that's a better way than just thinking of the brain secreting it.

MISHLOVE: Now how does this model relate to human potential? If I want to cultivate my various potentialities, my skills, reach into the implicate order and make some of it more explicate, do you have notions about that, for learning, for human development?

PRIBRAM: Well, you said it yourself just now. You reach into the implicate order. You allow yourself -- Freud called it regression in the service of the ego, primary process kinds of things, which are more holonomic, more holographic-like. Yes, I think that's the general way that I would say that this is different. The other is imitation, and the kind of thing where we have role models and we take care of ourselves, model ourselves on someone -- the kind of thing you do in sports, you watch a videotape or something.

MISHLOVE: Would you say creativity works the same way?

PRIBRAM: Well, creativity works the same way in the following sense: that we allow ourselves to get -- let's just be very crude here -- into this wave form, you know, in a distributed system. And this then allows the fluctuations that take place there to create new forms, which in space-time we can't really do too well. I mean, things are already formed. But if we get back into this potential, of distributed, implicate-type order, then these fluctuations have a chance to reorganize this way, or to organize new foci of activity.

MISHLOVE: And these would take the shape of mental images in our mind?

PRIBRAM: By the time they get to be mental images, it's already pretty well set into space-time form.

MISHLOVE: What is a mental image, in space-time? How would you describe that, as a neuroscientist?

PRIBRAM: Well, let's see. I've got my image of your face right now, and I also have an image of a person sitting in a chair over there, and a big eye looking at me in front, a television eye, with my eyes closed. That's mental imagery.

MISHLOVE: You wouldn't try and tie that to resonant neural patterns?

PRIBRAM: Oh sure, I'll be happy to do that. There are two kinds of mechanism -- I mean, you can sort of divide things up into twos and threes and so on. But if you divide neural activity, you can divide it into propagative nerve impulses on the one hand, and then these slow potentials -- hyperpolarizations, steep polarizations -- that don't go anywhere. And they form this holographic-like pattern, and it's those that I feel -- and I have some evidence to support this -- are what we experience as images.




Then there are microtubules
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22377952 - 10/14/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like ego loss territory, maybe
save that one for a few years when
my heads screwed on a little tighter :lol:
Still a little gone from the last one.

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