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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22378395 - 10/14/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
If agree with that to an extent.  Bit ive also been into this mode where I'm taking the Jungian approach to all of this.  As if the entities we experience in these altered states are archetypal personifications of the innermost workings of your mind. And all men's consciousness.  The invariable ID if you must.




There is more I want to say on this, as I have similar thoughts. Hard to expand
on ideas talking online, the flow of real conversation makes it a lot easier.  I think we could build on this if we were talking in person.




There's also the idea the brain is a reflection of the larger cosmos so it acts like an echo chamber if the right states are reached.


Holonomic brain theory

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This address describes Neurological Positivism's (NP) energetic evolution of consciousness, mind, and the brain-mind relationship within a model that integrates ideas and research from chaos theory, Pribram's holonomic brain theory, evolutionary theory, and the laws of thermodynamics (the energy laws The energetic evolution and encapsulation of space-time consciousness from chaotic-holographic environments is described. Consciousness is described as a natural evolutionary space-time template of continuously generated self-referential energy patterns (algorithms). The energetic evolution of mind is described as a natural self-referential exteriorization of the algorithmic organization of consciousness in the form of culturally shared mental models. It is proposed that the brain-mind energy relationship has historically undergone and continues to undergo change, and that this change is a natural thermodynamic arrow that constitutes the evolution of culture. That is, the evolution of culture proceeds in the direction of progressively more complete and efficient exteriorizations of the algorithmic organization of the brain-thus, for example, the recent evolution of brain-like computing systems and virtual reality systems. Accordingly, an uneven, but closing, central-energy-state identity (self-similarity) between brain and mind is described. It is concluded that NP's conception of mind helps us understand the evolutionary unfoldment of culture, and provides a sense of direction as to its future.



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PRIBRAM: Yes. There are lots of different ways of phrasing this. One is that mental phenomena are emergent properties of how the brain works, and so it's almost like the brain is secreting vision and mind and all that. But maybe a better way of talking about it would be to say that mental phenomena arise through the interaction between brain and body and the environment and -- this is what Karl Popper says -- that whole interactive thing produces an emergent, which we call mind and spirit, and so on. I think that's a better way than just thinking of the brain secreting it.

MISHLOVE: Now how does this model relate to human potential? If I want to cultivate my various potentialities, my skills, reach into the implicate order and make some of it more explicate, do you have notions about that, for learning, for human development?

PRIBRAM: Well, you said it yourself just now. You reach into the implicate order. You allow yourself -- Freud called it regression in the service of the ego, primary process kinds of things, which are more holonomic, more holographic-like. Yes, I think that's the general way that I would say that this is different. The other is imitation, and the kind of thing where we have role models and we take care of ourselves, model ourselves on someone -- the kind of thing you do in sports, you watch a videotape or something.

MISHLOVE: Would you say creativity works the same way?

PRIBRAM: Well, creativity works the same way in the following sense: that we allow ourselves to get -- let's just be very crude here -- into this wave form, you know, in a distributed system. And this then allows the fluctuations that take place there to create new forms, which in space-time we can't really do too well. I mean, things are already formed. But if we get back into this potential, of distributed, implicate-type order, then these fluctuations have a chance to reorganize this way, or to organize new foci of activity.

MISHLOVE: And these would take the shape of mental images in our mind?

PRIBRAM: By the time they get to be mental images, it's already pretty well set into space-time form.

MISHLOVE: What is a mental image, in space-time? How would you describe that, as a neuroscientist?

PRIBRAM: Well, let's see. I've got my image of your face right now, and I also have an image of a person sitting in a chair over there, and a big eye looking at me in front, a television eye, with my eyes closed. That's mental imagery.

MISHLOVE: You wouldn't try and tie that to resonant neural patterns?

PRIBRAM: Oh sure, I'll be happy to do that. There are two kinds of mechanism -- I mean, you can sort of divide things up into twos and threes and so on. But if you divide neural activity, you can divide it into propagative nerve impulses on the one hand, and then these slow potentials -- hyperpolarizations, steep polarizations -- that don't go anywhere. And they form this holographic-like pattern, and it's those that I feel -- and I have some evidence to support this -- are what we experience as images.




Then there are microtubules
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm




And that raises the question, what is the cosmos,
and does it harbor forms of Mind beyond that
of the scope of animal mind.  And is there a plane of
mind that the Plant Kingdom experiences, that we can
also interact with.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22378535 - 10/14/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude that sounds amazing hahaha. How much acid were you on?


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Kinshino]
    #22378556 - 10/14/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Two hits of the 70ug Elephants (same stuff as the Orange Sunshines going around)



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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22378665 - 10/14/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I hope that's another lay because I heard assholes touting those @ 300miks :lol:  That's so fucked up.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22378688 - 10/14/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This batch is from around a year and a half ago, it was advertised as 125ug, tested at 70

If you're referring to the Orange Sunshine's, they are dosed higher.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21585522#21585522


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22378706 - 10/14/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah but the sunshines were touted as higher weren't they?  260 ISN'T 300.  Thats weak sauce.

Marketing is marketing I suppose. :shrug:


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22378811 - 10/14/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, no doubt.  I imagine it would be hard for business to accurately advertise your doses when most DN dealers aren't, especially when you're offering refunds for lost packages.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22378833 - 10/14/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I mean it wouldn't be HARD, people are just greedy.  I'm the type of guy that's like, "Hey, I'll pay extra for uncut chemicals that ARE the dosage you say they are.".  It's a shame they've shilled the shit outta the DNM forums so bad that there really is little to NO knowing how high of a dose you're taking.

For people like me who use it for actual therapy, it's a fucking pain in the dick.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22378850 - 10/14/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It annoyed me at first but I'm just happy I can get my hands on this stuff.  It's not often I have local access to this quality of LSD.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: Hobozen]
    #22379269 - 10/14/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Any hits over 60 micros is damn good in my book.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22379288 - 10/14/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think that's AWESOME dude! Seriously.  But for those of us who use these chemicals for DEEP work sometime you need 1000 micrograms to breakthrough to a space where you can re-imprint your bio-survival circuits to your own benefit.


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Re: Vaping shatter on LSD - Might as well call it DMT [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22379375 - 10/14/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah one of these hits is a nice mellow ride, not too light, not too strong.


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