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PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8)
    #22376166 - 10/13/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm very excited about this! It's been about a month and a half to get to this point but the operation finally has some fine looking primordia sprouting. I'll keep updating this thread as it progresses hopefully. This is my first grow and I'm happy to see it becoming a success.

These two jars were a direct result of me mostly following someone else that was "teaching me" how to do PFTEK, virtually my mentor. We used a spore syringe of PES Amazonia that we made from a print and inoculated quite a few jars. We lost quite a few to contamination, but I blame it on weak genetics as the print came from fruit that had survived some 8 years of not being used as a syringe.
Since then we've gotten four more spore syringes and currently have 18 jars colonizing, with no contaminants at all. Those jars are a mix between the strains of Tasmania and Hawaiian Cubensis. I'll post pictures of them soon, although the Tasmania jars were only inoculated last night.

Here's our fruiting chamber and the first two cakes that we birthed. We have two more of Amazonian that we'll be birthing soon, but we're waiting for them to pin.





And here are pictures of the actual cakes and primordia. I'm very excited. It took about a week for the cakes to actually start to pin but since they have they seem to be thriving and producing rapidly.




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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376179 - 10/13/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why are they suffocating in a fish tank? You should build a proper fruiting chamber for them. Why did you not roll them in verm? Not much of a pinning surface there without it. Did you at least dunk them? The perlite in the bottom will be of little use with no air moving up through it. Weak genetics are not the cause of contams, contams are the cause of contams. A syringe with contamination in it will yield contaminated cakes.

Welcome to the shroomery and congrats on the first fruits. Learn how to do this properly and you shall see many more :thumbup:


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376201 - 10/13/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: Read these stuff. My advice is read the dunk and roll stuff, and how to make a proper fruiting chamber.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12681809
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/

Following all of those will say the same shit, and what you're doing isn't any of them. I just wish you guys would do the fruiting part right, since you guys already got this far, why not finish right too?


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376203 - 10/13/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whew, good, you guys covered it.  That's a load off.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Mad Season]
    #22376208 - 10/13/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, truth be told fruiting is the easy part and yet so few people do it right.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376212 - 10/13/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the quick response. Sorry that they are "suffocating in a fish tank." According to the person that taught me, that's the proper and most basic fruiting chamber there is. Where would you suggest I look to build a proper chamber for them? We've got about 8 jars that are going to be fully colonized within the next week and a half. Admittedly, the syringes that had the contaminants weren't handled with as much care as the ones with Hawaii and Tasmania, as we got those from a vendor with a contamination resistant solution, which has worked like a charm.

EDIT: To the three new posts that have showed up since the first one: I have tried to tell him about putting holes in the chamber and various ways to help put air through the chamber. If we're being straightforward, the dude's my dad. I don't necessarily just go along with him because I love him and want to be involved, but because he's obviously much more experienced than me and I tend to just trust what he's saying. I highly tried to convince him to dunk and roll those cakes but he had never heard of it and he said he didn't want to try it until we got some going the most basic way he knew how. But I read about it some more to him recently and the next cakes we'll be doing and from here on out WILL be dunk n' rolled.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376227 - 10/13/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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According to the person that taught me, that's the proper and most basic fruiting chamber there is.



Go ahead and cut them loose now, this place is your mentor now, and you're going to blow that old school shit out of the water after about a week of being here.

Ahhhh one of the first people who "taught" me about growing was an older guy, said I needed a drip shield and a cooler with no holes in it, a fish tank air pump, heater, and a bunch of crazy shit, to produce a few grams.  Now I just use a plastic tub with holes in it and it's seas of endless ounces of mushrooms.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree] * 1
    #22376235 - 10/13/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fish tanks were considered proper chambers 30 years ago. We have updated things considerably since. No offense to your dad but its time to get up to speed. Lucky for you, you have come to the right place, there is no better spot to learn how do this properly.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376248 - 10/13/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

HAHAHAHA! new school versus old school. groovy!! I've read those links that were suggested up there to me, and I realize how simple it is. What do you suggest I do with the cakes we've birthed right now and the tanks? Should I just grab the bull by the horns and tell my dad that "no, we're going to save money and double our flushes by getting plastic tubs instead"?


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376260 - 10/13/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

More like quintuple or deca-something or other your flushes, but yes.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
    #22376267 - 10/13/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Look at pasty's sig link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=19238883&page=0&vc=1#19238883

That man knows how to wield a plastic tub.





Start with the SGFC for those cakes and then check out monotubs so you can stop messing with perlite.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307891#20307891
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
    #22376273 - 10/13/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Absolutely. This is the best place for information, hands down. The techniques you are using, while they will work, are old, outdated, and have been replaced with much more effective methods. Stick with the information here and you'll be mentoring your dad before too long.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376286 - 10/13/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well the cakes will do better with proper FAE. Given the size and number of pins there I would even risk a dunk and roll. But its your call, its only two cakes. Let em go, get a few grams, then do shit proper and see first hand what a huge difference modern methods can make.

There is more than one way to get results, but no matter what, there are certain things that must be in place to see good results. Fresh air and enough water are the big ones. When I do cakes I use widemouth half pints, leave the cake in the jar, case the top and bottom water to pump up the fruits.



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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376340 - 10/13/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed on FAE.  If they weren't 90% water I'd say FAE is more important than water but they're about equal.  It's not humidity itself you should ever spend too much time worrying about though, it's really more practical to think of it in terms of normal thirst.  Yes lower humidity means they get thirsty faster, but you can give them a mist and they'll be just fine.

Balanced FAE and hydration makes the difference between
"oh there's a few mushrooms here, we might be able to have a few trips"

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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
    #22376344 - 10/13/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No doubt. I like it when the pinset is sooo thick you don't even know where to start pulling :lol:


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376365 - 10/13/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the very quick advice. I'm welcoming it with open arms! I showed him all of this and talked to him and basically taught him a lesson :tongue:

Could we go and get a tub tomorrow and build a SGFC tomorrow?

My dad told me to tell you guys thanks and if our lighting cycle was okay (12 on, 12 off)?

What do I need to do to promote proper FAE? We mist quite frequently and I try to maintain a slight glisten of water droplets over the cakes. We also frequently open the container and pull back the shield and fan the cakes with a magazine for probably 5 to 6 minutes.


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    #22376378 - 10/13/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning is not FAE. Cubes need 3-6 air exchanges per hour round the clock for best results. Hand fanning that much will simply dry things out and become a problem when you want to sleep or work. SGFC or monotubs provide passive exchange around the clock.

Yes build the SGFC tomorrow :thumbup: Be sure to dunk and roll the cakes too.

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    #22376397 - 10/13/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Won't dunking and rolling it knock off the existing pins? Or could we do it very carefully and not knock any of them off?


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    #22376407 - 10/13/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah they might not survive the dunk so skip it for now. But I would try and get some verm at least on the top and sides of them, you will see more pins there eventually if you do. Otherwise the only microclimate you will have will be at the bottom.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22376410 - 10/13/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could do the "dunk and lightly sprinkle", which doesn't really "roll" off the tongue as well, but it should stick just the same as long as the mycelium is wet when you sprinkle it on.  You'll have to hold it and turn it to get it all over, of course.  You want to let it get slightly colonized so it sticks to the cake before the next misting, so that you don't wash the verm off.


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    #22376429 - 10/13/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay. So I'll leave those two cakes in that chamber until we can move them to a SGFC tomorrow. Should I mist the cakes and THEN sprinkle the vermiculite? Or should I legitimately dunk them for like 14 hours and then sprinkle the verm?


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    #22376432 - 10/13/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could just give em a real quick dunk.  Grab them with a gloved hand, dunk them in some tap water for a second so that they're wet, and then sprinkle the verm on.  It'll be better than a mist and your pins will be pretty likely to survive it.  You could just mist though if you're more comfortable doing that.

I think there's something to the dunk though where it softens up the mycelium and it sticks to the verm a little better, but that could be my imagination.


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    #22376442 - 10/13/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have dunked pins before as well. Its a risk but if they stay on the cake they benefit from it for sure. Its up to you techno, what you are comfortable with is what you should do. Like I said its only two cakes so its not like your gains or losses at this point are going to be really significant.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22376446 - 10/13/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I'm assuming that if I sprinkle verm on it and we move the two cakes to a SGFC, the yield will be a touch higher, and probably much quicker, right?

My dad wants me to ask what grade vermiculite we should use to "roll" it in. We have heavy and fine grade. I predict fine grade.


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    #22376457 - 10/13/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fine will stick better to the cakes. Heavy grade verm is not really good for cakes but is excellent for bulk substrates. So hold onto it. Few people who get the bug for this hobby stick with cakes for long.


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    #22376465 - 10/13/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Between those two, fine.  I like a nice medium personally for anything casing related, and that's what the roll is, is a casing layer for the cake.  Depends on how coarse the other is...  eehhhh defer to pasty.


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    #22376469 - 10/13/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome! 4 of the jars that are nearing full colonization have substrate with only heavy grade, but it seems to be working just fine. The other four are half and half (heavy and fine). There are two Amazonian still colonizing that are just fine grade and then 8 more new jars that are half and half with Tasmania.

My dad ALSO wants me to ask where is the best place to pick up medium grade? sorry for all the q's. he's very intent i ask all of this... lol


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    #22376474 - 10/13/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No I agree with ya inoc, med is better for a roll if ya have it on hand. Tho I usually just buy a 110 quart bag and that always is a mix of grades with the fine shit all at the bottom :lol:


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    #22376482 - 10/13/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and I'll be posting pictures of any progress made tomorrow - hope you guys will be around to see if it seems like improvement. I'll also take pictures of the jars that are colonizing right now and track their progress. I've definitely got a little passion for this going - and I WAS on the new school method's side, but didn't really have the right to do anything I wasn't told to do. Thanks to you guys now, Dad's on board with the SGFC & dunk and roll methods. Probably gonna see a complete 180.


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    #22376489 - 10/13/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22376491 - 10/13/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ALSO - what would happen if we were to leave the lid off overnight? We just turned the lights off for the night - we'll turn them back on at noon tomorrow.


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    #22376493 - 10/13/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was just thinking the overall best to have on hand would be a mix of grades.  I don't know where to get medium grade but the internet usually does.  I can only find fine grade and it works for things I need, and it's not super fine like some people's who claim it comes out like dust.

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    #22376504 - 10/13/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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ALSO - what would happen if we were to leave the lid off overnight?




Could dry out. Best not to do that yet.


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    #22376512 - 10/13/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, what if we were to crack it or just leave the lid off for maybe 10 minutes at a time every hour until we go to sleep tonight (probably 3 or 4 AM)? Honestly, we probably could go ahead and mist them and put some fine grade vermiculite on them tonight - would you guys recommend that?


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22381229 - 10/14/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey! Update time! Lots of pics to go around, also, lots of progress to grow around. :wink:

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Anyway, very excited at we did today! We both had a doctor's appointment today, so we went and got the tubs afterwards. We ended up getting two Sterilite containers, 55qts each. The lid we got doesn't match exactly, as the container's lid that DID fit was white and I logically thought that a clear one would be better.


here's the goodies in route

We also got two bags of perlite, although the only thing we have easy access to is Miracle Gro brand, which I read has some additives that are annoying to deal with. To fix this, we thoroughly rinsed all perlite in hot water, some of which was from an almost simmering pot. We eventually realized that was overkill, so we just dumped the perlite in the pot (which was rather large... could hold probably near a bag of the perlite) and added some hot tap water to counteract the supa-hawt water and drained it from the pot using our lid, as the only colander that we had was too porous to use without making a huge mess.

Anyway, my dad did the drilling and we decided on only doing 1 container tonight since we've only got two cakes to move over anyway.



After the perlite rinsing and hole drilling and tub sterilization with alcohol and then disinfectant, we took the container into our Shroom Room and put it on 4 empty jars.

But first, here's what we did to the cakes last night after the advice:


Okay, so here's the tub after we put the cakes in:



There's about 4.8 inches of damp perlite in the bottom of it. It's a 55 quart tub... I think I mentioned that already, lol. It's elevated on 4 jars on a piece of wood resting on a bed. There's a flourescent lamp about 8 inches from it that provides plenty of light into the container. The lighting schedule is on a 12/12 basis. We turn it off at midnight, and on at noon. We'll mist the cakes 3-6 times a day and fan directly after misting them. :smile:

MOVING ON!!

Here are 8 cakes that I have colonizing right now. Maybe a little more. I think there are 9. Anyway, the black specks that are in the jars are NOT contamination, but dried up solution from the spore syringe we used, which is a very trusted source that delivers the syringes in insulated packages and in a solution called "New Moon," which is resistant to contaminants up to 100%, as long as everything's done correctly in jar prep. These are mostly the Hawaiian strain. The two cakes that look fully cased are Amazonian. We're waiting for those to pin.



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    #22381410 - 10/14/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

bump bump.... Did a pretty big thing today and am wanting some feedback. Sorry if there's a policy about double posting/bumping threads.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
    #22381431 - 10/14/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks fine to me though.  Didn't read everything, was there a question in particular?


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
    #22381492 - 10/14/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't believe vendor hype. New moon syringes are no more or no less prone to contam than anything else. Many people believe that the dark solution is to hide the fact that the syringes are live culture rather than spores. Everything looks fine, personally i would just move the cakes closer together.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
    #22381513 - 10/15/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It looks like you know what you're doing, and it's cool that your dad helps you. Do you trip with him? Oh, and by the way

"which is a very trusted source"

"a solution called "New Moon," which is resistant to contaminants up to 100%, as long as everything's done correctly in jar prep."

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    #22381665 - 10/15/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

sorry if i'm a little... redundant or contradictory. i've taken in a lot of info in a little amount of time... that's my excuse anyway.

And yeah, totally! Definitely will be once we start to harvest. Live culture would make sense... when I looked in the solution of the Tasmania spore syringe... definitely seemed like culture floating around in there. But also seemed like lots and lots of spores too.... So not exactly sure. I'll have two more cakes to birth soon. I do have a question about that though - should I go through a certain procedure to help kickstart the pinning process in the jar? Or just let it happen organically until pins develop?

THX in advance!


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
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    #22386785 - 10/16/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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sorry if i'm a little... redundant or contradictory. i've taken in a lot of info in a little amount of time... that's my excuse anyway.

And yeah, totally! Definitely will be once we start to harvest. Live culture would make sense... when I looked in the solution of the Tasmania spore syringe... definitely seemed like culture floating around in there. But also seemed like lots and lots of spores too.... So not exactly sure. I'll have two more cakes to birth soon. I do have a question about that though - should I go through a certain procedure to help kickstart the pinning process in the jar? Or just let it happen organically until pins develop?

THX in advance!



I prefer not to wait for the cakes to pin in the jar...once they reach full colonization, I wait a week for the cake to consolidate, then birth, dunk & roll, put in your SGFC, mist, then fan right after you mist (this helps kickstart surface evaporation which helps trigger pinning)...Hope this answers your question... And...Welcome to the Shroomery!!! Good Vibes and :goodluck: Keep us posted. This place has Amazing people that have tons of knowledge, Keep listening to them and you'll succeed. I like your attitude, so I gave you a rating.


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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Darkhome]
    #22388830 - 10/16/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not trying to be a dick but

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The two cakes that look fully cased are Amazonian.




cased is something that is done after full colonization and consolidation and after the cakes are dunked and in fact is not necessary. Casing is simply when you add the final layer of verm to the cakes or final layer of CVG or, whatever you use as a moisture retainer, to the substrate itself.

Look up uncased vs cased grows. Many people make this mistake but if you want precise help you will need to know the lingo used on here.

Those two cakes look fine but do know that any place you get the spores from will tell you they promise 100% contam free but they most definitely are not. Contams can get in at any point at all. No grow will be 100% contam resistant...EVER.. theres always room for human error.

Also, you may want to rethink the idea that darker syringes are always better because more spores can cause it to take longer for colonization. It only takes a single drop from the syringe to inoculate. All it takes is spores hitting the right environment for them to begin growth. Its a waste of spores to have such a large amount inside the syringe and having that many spores shoot into a cake for inoculation can be seen the same way. If they are dark enough I am sure you could find a way to get 2 syringes out of a single one.

Also, IME you will need to mist a different amount than everyone else because everyone has different environments that they grow in. Some dryer, some wetter. I mist and fan mine only 3 times a day and sometimes once more if I notice they look dry at any point. You should be able to see if they need a misting because they'll lack their usual shine.


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