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technotree
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PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8)
#22376166 - 10/13/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm very excited about this! It's been about a month and a half to get to this point but the operation finally has some fine looking primordia sprouting. I'll keep updating this thread as it progresses hopefully. This is my first grow and I'm happy to see it becoming a success.
These two jars were a direct result of me mostly following someone else that was "teaching me" how to do PFTEK, virtually my mentor. We used a spore syringe of PES Amazonia that we made from a print and inoculated quite a few jars. We lost quite a few to contamination, but I blame it on weak genetics as the print came from fruit that had survived some 8 years of not being used as a syringe. Since then we've gotten four more spore syringes and currently have 18 jars colonizing, with no contaminants at all. Those jars are a mix between the strains of Tasmania and Hawaiian Cubensis. I'll post pictures of them soon, although the Tasmania jars were only inoculated last night.
Here's our fruiting chamber and the first two cakes that we birthed. We have two more of Amazonian that we'll be birthing soon, but we're waiting for them to pin.


And here are pictures of the actual cakes and primordia. I'm very excited. It took about a week for the cakes to actually start to pin but since they have they seem to be thriving and producing rapidly.
  
  
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Pastywhyte
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376179 - 10/13/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are they suffocating in a fish tank? You should build a proper fruiting chamber for them. Why did you not roll them in verm? Not much of a pinning surface there without it. Did you at least dunk them? The perlite in the bottom will be of little use with no air moving up through it. Weak genetics are not the cause of contams, contams are the cause of contams. A syringe with contamination in it will yield contaminated cakes.
Welcome to the shroomery and congrats on the first fruits. Learn how to do this properly and you shall see many more
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376201 - 10/13/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read these stuff. My advice is read the dunk and roll stuff, and how to make a proper fruiting chamber.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12681809 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542 http://www.mushroomvideos.com/
Following all of those will say the same shit, and what you're doing isn't any of them. I just wish you guys would do the fruiting part right, since you guys already got this far, why not finish right too?
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376203 - 10/13/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whew, good, you guys covered it. That's a load off.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Mad Season]
#22376208 - 10/13/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed, truth be told fruiting is the easy part and yet so few people do it right.
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technotree
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376212 - 10/13/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick response. Sorry that they are "suffocating in a fish tank." According to the person that taught me, that's the proper and most basic fruiting chamber there is. Where would you suggest I look to build a proper chamber for them? We've got about 8 jars that are going to be fully colonized within the next week and a half. Admittedly, the syringes that had the contaminants weren't handled with as much care as the ones with Hawaii and Tasmania, as we got those from a vendor with a contamination resistant solution, which has worked like a charm.
EDIT: To the three new posts that have showed up since the first one: I have tried to tell him about putting holes in the chamber and various ways to help put air through the chamber. If we're being straightforward, the dude's my dad. I don't necessarily just go along with him because I love him and want to be involved, but because he's obviously much more experienced than me and I tend to just trust what he's saying. I highly tried to convince him to dunk and roll those cakes but he had never heard of it and he said he didn't want to try it until we got some going the most basic way he knew how. But I read about it some more to him recently and the next cakes we'll be doing and from here on out WILL be dunk n' rolled.
Edited by technotree (10/13/15 10:32 PM)
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376227 - 10/13/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
technotree said: According to the person that taught me, that's the proper and most basic fruiting chamber there is.
Go ahead and cut them loose now, this place is your mentor now, and you're going to blow that old school shit out of the water after about a week of being here.
Ahhhh one of the first people who "taught" me about growing was an older guy, said I needed a drip shield and a cooler with no holes in it, a fish tank air pump, heater, and a bunch of crazy shit, to produce a few grams. Now I just use a plastic tub with holes in it and it's seas of endless ounces of mushrooms.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree] 1
#22376235 - 10/13/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fish tanks were considered proper chambers 30 years ago. We have updated things considerably since. No offense to your dad but its time to get up to speed. Lucky for you, you have come to the right place, there is no better spot to learn how do this properly.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376248 - 10/13/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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HAHAHAHA! new school versus old school. groovy!! I've read those links that were suggested up there to me, and I realize how simple it is. What do you suggest I do with the cakes we've birthed right now and the tanks? Should I just grab the bull by the horns and tell my dad that "no, we're going to save money and double our flushes by getting plastic tubs instead"?
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376260 - 10/13/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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More like quintuple or deca-something or other your flushes, but yes.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
#22376267 - 10/13/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look at pasty's sig link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=19238883&page=0&vc=1#19238883
That man knows how to wield a plastic tub.

Start with the SGFC for those cakes and then check out monotubs so you can stop messing with perlite. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307891#20307891 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
Fuck I meant to edit instead of make a new post. Oh well.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
#22376273 - 10/13/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Absolutely. This is the best place for information, hands down. The techniques you are using, while they will work, are old, outdated, and have been replaced with much more effective methods. Stick with the information here and you'll be mentoring your dad before too long.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376286 - 10/13/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the cakes will do better with proper FAE. Given the size and number of pins there I would even risk a dunk and roll. But its your call, its only two cakes. Let em go, get a few grams, then do shit proper and see first hand what a huge difference modern methods can make.
There is more than one way to get results, but no matter what, there are certain things that must be in place to see good results. Fresh air and enough water are the big ones. When I do cakes I use widemouth half pints, leave the cake in the jar, case the top and bottom water to pump up the fruits.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376340 - 10/13/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed on FAE. If they weren't 90% water I'd say FAE is more important than water but they're about equal. It's not humidity itself you should ever spend too much time worrying about though, it's really more practical to think of it in terms of normal thirst. Yes lower humidity means they get thirsty faster, but you can give them a mist and they'll be just fine.
Balanced FAE and hydration makes the difference between "oh there's a few mushrooms here, we might be able to have a few trips"
 and "Oh god where am I, I can't find my way out! Send for help!"
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Inocuole]
#22376344 - 10/13/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No doubt. I like it when the pinset is sooo thick you don't even know where to start pulling
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376365 - 10/13/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the very quick advice. I'm welcoming it with open arms! I showed him all of this and talked to him and basically taught him a lesson
Could we go and get a tub tomorrow and build a SGFC tomorrow?
My dad told me to tell you guys thanks and if our lighting cycle was okay (12 on, 12 off)?
What do I need to do to promote proper FAE? We mist quite frequently and I try to maintain a slight glisten of water droplets over the cakes. We also frequently open the container and pull back the shield and fan the cakes with a magazine for probably 5 to 6 minutes.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376378 - 10/13/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fanning is not FAE. Cubes need 3-6 air exchanges per hour round the clock for best results. Hand fanning that much will simply dry things out and become a problem when you want to sleep or work. SGFC or monotubs provide passive exchange around the clock.
Yes build the SGFC tomorrow Be sure to dunk and roll the cakes too.
12 on 12 off is the recommended light schedule.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376397 - 10/13/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Won't dunking and rolling it knock off the existing pins? Or could we do it very carefully and not knock any of them off?
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376407 - 10/13/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah they might not survive the dunk so skip it for now. But I would try and get some verm at least on the top and sides of them, you will see more pins there eventually if you do. Otherwise the only microclimate you will have will be at the bottom.
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Re: PIX FROM MY FIRST GROW! 8) [Re: technotree]
#22376410 - 10/13/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could do the "dunk and lightly sprinkle", which doesn't really "roll" off the tongue as well, but it should stick just the same as long as the mycelium is wet when you sprinkle it on. You'll have to hold it and turn it to get it all over, of course. You want to let it get slightly colonized so it sticks to the cake before the next misting, so that you don't wash the verm off.
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