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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said: I never said he was, y'all need to learn to read! I can't be responsible for y'all's ignorance...
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"The Wealth of Nations," which was Smith's book that put him on the economic map, wasn't even published until 1776. The Revolutionary war started in April 1775. So how exactly could Smith's writings on free market capitalism have influenced the Founders in as much as their attitudes toward corporations at the time? LMAO. I believe Jefferson's first mention of the book didn't come until 1807 ...
You're ignorant ... just admit it. You thought Adam Smith was a Founding Father. That's OK, at least you're learning something here today. Now, do yourself a favor and read Adam Smith, John Adams and Karl Marx so you know a little about what you're commenting on.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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hostileuniverse said: I never said he was, y'all need to learn to read! I can't be responsible for y'all's ignorance...
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"The Wealth of Nations," which was Smith's book that put him on the economic map, wasn't even published until 1776. The Revolutionary war started in April 1775. So how exactly could Smith's writings on free market capitalism have influenced the Founders in as much as their attitudes toward corporations at the time? LMAO.
You're ignorant ... just admit it. You thought Adam Smith was a Founding Father. That's OK, at least you're learning something here today. Now, do yourself a favor and read Adam Smith, John Adams and Karl Marx so you know a little about what you're commenting on.
You're trying really hard to make me look stupid, and in doing so, just showing everyone here how petty and ignorant you are, you could really stop anytime now...
Or do you have more info on my stock portfolio? LMFAO!
I learned a long time ago that when someone starts attacking their opponent instead of the issue, it's proof they've already lost, even if they are too fucking ignorant to realize it...
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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You're trying really hard to make me look stupid, and in doing so, just showing everyone here how petty and ignorant you are, you could really stop anytime now...
Or do you have more info on my stock portfolio? LMFAO!
I learned a long time ago that when someone starts attacking their opponent instead of the issue, it's proof they've already lost, even if they are too fucking ignorant to realize it...
No effort needed to make you look stupid, you excel at it naturally.
Whereas I am specific about your ignorance, you have yet to point out a single point I have made that is incorrect in any way.
And yes, if you will read Adams, Adam Smith, Karl Marx and let's throw in some Bacon, Hume and Locke, you'll understand a lot better the Political issues you seem so interested in and more of what shaped the thinking of the Founding Fathers.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You're trying really hard to make me look stupid, and in doing so, just showing everyone here how petty and ignorant you are, you could really stop anytime now...
Or do you have more info on my stock portfolio? LMFAO!
I learned a long time ago that when someone starts attacking their opponent instead of the issue, it's proof they've already lost, even if they are too fucking ignorant to realize it...
No effort needed to make you look stupid, you excel at it naturally.
Whereas I am specific about your ignorance, you have yet to point out a single point I have made that is incorrect in any way.
And yes, if you will read Adams, Adam Smith, Karl Marx and let's throw in some Bacon, Hume and Locke, you'll understand a lot better the Political issues you seem so interested in and more of what shaped the thinking of the Founding Fathers.
How about Engels...
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: Oh wow did that hurt your feelings? I did notice you never adressed your original mistake in context it's ok I know you're sorry you put your foot in your mouth w that comment.
Ps. All school systems in Texas are heavily reigned in on by the Christian right wing board of education so misfire on another joke about tthe other side. Maybe one day you'll even grasp the meaning of liberal outside of the joke that is its American meta
duhhhhh,,,,,really? The Christian Right Wing runs the Texas school system? 
so again you fail to recognize your mistake and then use an emoticon to offend my intelligence for correcting you.
do you spend all day irl walking on your hands talking out your ass or is it just here on shroomery?
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I didn't know they had more power than the US department of education too. 
Obv you don't understand how textbooks are bought and printed.
OK Vato loco. Hey man, you should wear wingtip shoes, khaki pants, a white T-shirt, and shave your head, it would be an improvement.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You're trying really hard to make me look stupid, and in doing so, just showing everyone here how petty and ignorant you are, you could really stop anytime now...
Or do you have more info on my stock portfolio? LMFAO!
I learned a long time ago that when someone starts attacking their opponent instead of the issue, it's proof they've already lost, even if they are too fucking ignorant to realize it...
No effort needed to make you look stupid, you excel at it naturally.
Whereas I am specific about your ignorance, you have yet to point out a single point I have made that is incorrect in any way.
And yes, if you will read Adams, Adam Smith, Karl Marx and let's throw in some Bacon, Hume and Locke, you'll understand a lot better the Political issues you seem so interested in and more of what shaped the thinking of the Founding Fathers.
Youve asserted the founders were against corporations, I simply asserted that's absurd, surely if they were so adamant about it, it would have somehow found its way into the constitution, but nothing, zilch, nada...
Now if you have anything other than name calling, I'm all ears... And YOU'RE the one who brought up a Scotsman trying to prove your point, which you still haven't... Because you can't, and instead of admit you're wrong, you started name calling, the weapon of a weak minded fool..
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:I find it funny how every post you make ends with a second paragraph of trash talking. Anyways, what I do for a living? I'm a janitor at hooters making $6.50 an hour
I see that I was right. If you had ever run a business, no way you'd be singing the same tune.
The anarcho capitalism will naturally bring about its own destruction, and would then become anarcho communism. Basically, if left to do their work unmolested by morons, the corporations will eventually bring technology to such a high level, that they will no longer be needed. By anyone. They're going to die a natural death, which is actually a perfect end to them, to any real "free marketeer". Any free marketeer or pure capitalist would be glad to see them die a natural death, where they have provided their own replacement. This IS going to happen, but it may take 50-150 years. But its only a matter of time. The government will then shrink to being a very small entity, and may eventually disappear altogether. You and I may find it hard to imagine a world without government, but its existed before and it could just as easily exist again. Liberalism, conservatism, none of it will be necessary anymore. There will be no need to "conserve" and no need to help anyone. I imagine Terrence Mkenna's "forward exit".
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Youve asserted the founders were against corporations, I simply asserted that's absurd, surely if they were so adamant about it, it would have somehow found its way into the constitution, but nothing, zilch, nada...
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Of course they were against corporations as that is not even a debatable topic. There are many quotes and writings about it. The Bank of England was the dominant corporation in the Colonies at the time ... look it up ...
Please don't let your lack of understanding of history cause you to continue to make idiotic statements. Every single state after America was formed was very skeptical of corporations and placed strong limits on them ... MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE than what we have today ... For the most part, the Founding Fathers ran the states at that time, you idiot. Corporations were viewed as predatory and a serious threat to liberty.
The fact that you don't know this indicates your ignorance of America's history.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Youve asserted the founders were against corporations, I simply asserted that's absurd, surely if they were so adamant about it, it would have somehow found its way into the constitution, but nothing, zilch, nada...
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Of course they were against corporations as that is not even a debatable topic. There are many quotes and writings about it. The Bank of England was the dominant corporation in the Colonies at the time ... look it up ...
Please don't let your lack of understanding of history cause you to continue to make idiotic statements. Every single state after America was formed was very skeptical of corporations and placed strong limits on them ... MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE than what we have today ... For the most part, the Founding Fathers ran the states at that time, you idiot. Corporations were viewed as predatory and a serious threat to liberty.
The fact that you don't know this indicates your ignorance of America's history.
And that's why they didn't put anything about it in the constitution...
Makes perfect sense to me...
Or maybe it's because they knew it was NOT govts place to say what can or cannot exist in a free market economy...
I'm getting really bored with your denile and insults...
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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And that's why they didn't put anything about it in the constitution...
Makes perfect sense to me...
Or maybe it's because they knew it was NOT govts place to say what can or cannot exist in a free market economy...
I'm getting really bored with your denile and insults...
They didn't put anything about slavery in the constitution either and slavery was illegal in half of the states ... They didn't put anything in the constitution about preventing Super-Pac's either but I'd guess 99% of historians would agree they'd find super-pac's utterly deplorable.
It was a different time. They left regulation of corporations to the states. And, the states were extremely restrictive of Corporations. States limited corporate charters ... set strict time limits for corporations to exist ... Are you aware that the Founding Fathers were the people that ran the states at that time?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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they did put one thing in the constitution about slavery. Article 1 Section 9
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Why small government worked in 1776 ...
At the time of the nation’s independence the total population in the U.S. was 2.5 million. Philadelphia was the largest city with 40,000 residents – which would only fill about half the capacity at Lincoln Financial Field where its football team plays home games today. The Quaker-populated city back then was very peaceful and civil, very unlike the Eagle fans of today.
In 1776, the next largest cities were New York City (25,000 people), Boston (15,000), Charleston (12,000), and Newport (11,000). All are rough estimates as the U.S. Census enumeration did not begin until the 1790.
The LARGEST city in America, at that time, qualifies as a small town today. It is, to a large extent, the urbanization of America that has changed the country so much and created the need for so many more government services and employees. Could and should government be more efficient and less bloated? Of course. Were the Founders looking at a very different country than what we see today? You decide.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: starfire_xes]
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Ps. All school systems in Texas are heavily reigned in on by the Christian right wing board of education so misfire on another joke about tthe other side. Maybe one day you'll even grasp the meaning of liberal outside of the joke that is its American meta
duhhhhh,,,,,really? The Christian Right Wing runs the Texas school system? 
so again you fail to recognize your mistake and then use an emoticon to offend my intelligence for correcting you.
do you spend all day irl walking on your hands talking out your ass or is it just here on shroomery?
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starfire_xes said: I'm glad we cleared up the fact that the Texas Board of Education is responsible for the downfall of the educational system in the US. I was wondering why 70% of the people who graduate from the NYC inner cities public schools can't read or write at an 8th grade level--it's Texas' fault.
I didn't know they had more power than the US department of education too. 
Obv you don't understand how textbooks are bought and printed.
OK Vato loco. Hey man, you should wear wingtip shoes, khaki pants, a white T-shirt, and shave your head, it would be an improvement.
Ah and resorting to comments about my assumed ethnicity. which I'm not sure makes much sense other than being derogatory. Might not be the best way to communicate.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Why small government worked in 1776 ...
At the time of the nation’s independence the total population in the U.S. was 2.5 million. Philadelphia was the largest city with 40,000 residents – which would only fill about half the capacity at Lincoln Financial Field where its football team plays home games today. The Quaker-populated city back then was very peaceful and civil, very unlike the Eagle fans of today.
In 1776, the next largest cities were New York City (25,000 people), Boston (15,000), Charleston (12,000), and Newport (11,000). All are rough estimates as the U.S. Census enumeration did not begin until the 1790.
The LARGEST city in America, at that time, qualifies as a small town today. It is, to a large extent, the urbanization of America that has changed the country so much and created the need for so many more government services and employees. Could and should government be more efficient and less bloated? Of course. Were the Founders looking at a very different country than what we see today? You decide.
They weren't blind or morons, they knew full well their country would grow. And not just grow, but grow large. There is no way they just looked at the current population of the day and said "Yeah, this is fine. That will do. After all, this country won't be getting any more people so we're good". Small government is an ideal that could encompass any number of people, really. Yes of course, now that there is a town out in the wilderness somewhere, that town needs a DPS. And a police force, and a mayor, etc etc and on and on. You get the idea. You just extend the small government, to wherever the people are. Just as they did back then. You don't turn it into a fat bloated dying whale that can't even sustain itself, like it is today.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: bennylava]
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At the time of the nation’s independence the total population in the U.S. was 2.5 million. Philadelphia was the largest city with 40,000 residents – which would only fill about half the capacity at Lincoln Financial Field where its football team plays home games today. The Quaker-populated city back then was very peaceful and civil, very unlike the Eagle fans of today.
In 1776, the next largest cities were New York City (25,000 people), Boston (15,000), Charleston (12,000), and Newport (11,000). All are rough estimates as the U.S. Census enumeration did not begin until the 1790.
The LARGEST city in America, at that time, qualifies as a small town today. It is, to a large extent, the urbanization of America that has changed the country so much and created the need for so many more government services and employees. Could and should government be more efficient and less bloated? Of course. Were the Founders looking at a very different country than what we see today? You decide.
They weren't blind or morons, they knew full well their country would grow. And not just grow, but grow large. There is no way they just looked at the current population of the day and said "Yeah, this is fine. That will do. After all, this country won't be getting any more people so we're good". Small government is an ideal that could encompass any number of people, really. Yes of course, now that there is a town out in the wilderness somewhere, that town needs a DPS. And a police force, and a mayor, etc etc and on and on. You get the idea. You just extend the small government, to wherever the people are. Just as they did back then. You don't turn it into a fat bloated dying whale that can't even sustain itself, like it is today.
Which country on this planet exemplifies what you would like to see in the US in terms of size of government, culture of self reliance, efficiency of markets and effectiveness of the legal system?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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At the time of the nation’s independence the total population in the U.S. was 2.5 million. Philadelphia was the largest city with 40,000 residents – which would only fill about half the capacity at Lincoln Financial Field where its football team plays home games today. The Quaker-populated city back then was very peaceful and civil, very unlike the Eagle fans of today.
In 1776, the next largest cities were New York City (25,000 people), Boston (15,000), Charleston (12,000), and Newport (11,000). All are rough estimates as the U.S. Census enumeration did not begin until the 1790.
The LARGEST city in America, at that time, qualifies as a small town today. It is, to a large extent, the urbanization of America that has changed the country so much and created the need for so many more government services and employees. Could and should government be more efficient and less bloated? Of course. Were the Founders looking at a very different country than what we see today? You decide.
They weren't blind or morons, they knew full well their country would grow. And not just grow, but grow large. There is no way they just looked at the current population of the day and said "Yeah, this is fine. That will do. After all, this country won't be getting any more people so we're good". Small government is an ideal that could encompass any number of people, really. Yes of course, now that there is a town out in the wilderness somewhere, that town needs a DPS. And a police force, and a mayor, etc etc and on and on. You get the idea. You just extend the small government, to wherever the people are. Just as they did back then. You don't turn it into a fat bloated dying whale that can't even sustain itself, like it is today.
Which country on this planet exemplifies what you would like to see in the US in terms of size of government, culture of self reliance, efficiency of markets and effectiveness of the legal system?
Somalia. He just doesn't want to admit that reality.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Which country on this planet exemplifies what you would like to see in the US in terms of size of government, culture of self reliance, efficiency of markets and effectiveness of the legal system?
Somalia. He just doesn't want to admit that reality.
I've asked this question at least 3 times now and neither one of these clowns ever answers it.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Which country on this planet exemplifies what you would like to see in the US in terms of size of government, culture of self reliance, efficiency of markets and effectiveness of the legal system?
Somalia. He just doesn't want to admit that reality.
I've asked this question at least 3 times now and neither one of these clowns ever answers it.
How about hong Kong?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: hostileuniverse]
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How about hong Kong?
Less than 3% of the US population with 7.7 million people total. National Health Care. Primarily a financial transactional hub. Minimal heavy manufacturing. Tiny military.
This is the country that you think the US should model its economy on? Really?
Have you been there? I have several times and it's an extremely expensive place to visit. If I was going to spend that kind of money to live in a big city I can think of about 25 cities I'd much rather live in than Hong Kong which is essentially custom made for shopping, expensive hotels and restaurants and that's about it.
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Edited by KauaiOrca (10/14/15 12:41 PM)
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
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How about hong Kong?
Less than 3% of the US population with 7.7 million people total. National Health Care. Primarily a financial transactional hub. Minimal heavy manufacturing. Tiny military.
This is the country that you think the US should model its economy on? Really?
Have you been there? I have several times and it's an extremely expensive place to visit. If I was going to spend that kind of money to live in a big city I can think of about 25 cities I'd much rather live in than Hong Kong which is essentially custom made for shopping, expensive hotels and restaurants and that's about it.
The low population doesn't sway socialists from saying we need to be more like Norway... Low taxes and free trade have made the people of Hong Kong very prosperous...
And the healthcare system is a mix of private and public health...
What's NOT to like?
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