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Should I take psychedelics?
    #22375323 - 10/13/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, I've never taken a psychedelic drug before, I have been a pot smoker for 2 years and I'm starting to cut down, I'm 18 years old and yea, that's some basic info for you.

Pretty much around the time I was entering the age 15 my reality and the perception of how I physically/emotionally saw the world completely changed (this was before I had even tried weed). And it's been like this for years now, I was definitely depressed for a coupla years and now I think I might just have hypochondria (still might be depressed lol I don't know). I think it may be really bad insecurities that I don't realize I have, etc. Anyway my friend told me about acid and he was really depressed and stuff and we're actually pretty similar, he told me after he had it it was like a healing for his soul, he found all these flaws in himself and now he realizes them and stuff. (I believe in the soul and spirit science).

I don't wanna make this post huge but I've had MDMA about 8 times and I really love the confidence and motivation I have in social situations from it, like I can socially function, but when I was 14 I was a ladies man, I had lots of girls hanging off me and I was one of the most popular kids in my year and I was just always feeling good, it's like negative things affect me really bad now and I'm susceptible to negative thoughts and I tell myself it doesn't matter that my thought train is like this as long as I'm not crying or being really sad about it. Now I have only a few close friends which I understand isn't bad but I want to be able to feel like I have the motivation and be able to confidently leave my house and have conversations with people and just even slightly as good about myself as I do when I'm on MDMA.

I just want to know from all you guys, your opinions on this drug and if it would help benefit me, because I'm the type of person who can block things out in my head if I don't want to talk about them with myself and I beat myself up a lot when I shouldn't. Before talking to my friend about this drug I thought you only had it to have fun and see pink elephants, I'm realllllly ignorant about this and just want knowledge and stuff and if you think that I'm taking it for the right reason, to better myself and get that happiness I felt every day a few years ago.

And please don't take offence to this but my current view on it is like if I take it I'll change forever no matter what and that I might be delusional and everyone will see it but me.

sorry if this is forever to read lol.
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Edit: I was told it's like an onion, you break through walls in your mind slowly like the layers in an onion and better yourself. Is this the same for everyone or do people get effected differently?

Edit2: The best way to describe how I feel is that the real me is inside my head somewhere in a cage that I can't get to and I can't find it, I need to get the key to unlock it and let myself out, but I'm sick and tired of thinking 'this is a phase you'll outgrow'


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22375333 - 10/13/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also my friend who has been telling me about this has had acid about 10 times and posts here regularly, he recommends that I don't do it with my girlfriend and that I should have it with him first as it could get reallly weird.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22375352 - 10/13/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you try it, do it with someone experienced with it that you trust.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22375405 - 10/13/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey guys, I've never taken a psychedelic drug before, I have been a pot smoker for 2 years and I'm starting to cut down, I'm 18 years old and yea,
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Edit2: The best way to describe how I feel is that the real me is inside my head somewhere in a cage that I can't get to and I can't find it, I need to get the key to unlock it and let myself out, but I'm sick and tired of thinking 'this is a phase you'll outgrow'





I didn't read all of it but if that's your perception probably psychedelics will help you considerably.  But there's no guarantee regarding taking them and improving stuff, although that seems to be what usually happens for most people, or at least for the ones who are willing to talk about it. :shrug:

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And please don't take offence to this but my current view on it is like if I take it I'll change forever no matter what and that I might be delusional and everyone will see it but me.





OK now I did read it all - people go through all kinds of changes growing up.  True maybe you'll change forever but it won't be delusional because basically this stuff works, although exactly why is still something of a mystery. :shrug::shrug:


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #22375427 - 10/13/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics don't just change you right off the bat. It's more of revelations that you have to be ready to integrate into your everyday life. If you're prepared to take whatever realizations or epiphanies (if you go that deep) and put them to use in your sober, waking life, then yes I think you should take psychedelics. If you don't want to put in the effort (or lack of), I wouldn't recommend it. It'd just be a bunch of ideas that'd be lost within a week's time.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: theshrumnub]
    #22375463 - 10/13/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh so, it doesn't force you to think a certain way once you've sobered up, you literally have the choice to think that way if you choose to? and you can change your thought on that any time you want?


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22375469 - 10/13/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ahh so, it doesn't force you to think a certain way once you've sobered up, you literally have the choice to think that way if you choose to? and you can change your thought on that any time you want?




That's how it is for me, anyway. I feel like they just widen my options for thinking and don't necessarily alter how I'm forced to think. That's the freedom of psychedelics, they can liberate you from previous ways of thinking and let you choose how you want to view things. But you never know how they'll react to you personally.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22375681 - 10/13/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, OP you have already taken psychedelics. Cannabis is a psychedelic drug and anyone who doubts this just needs to take 6 months off smoking and then eat some potent edibles. Of course cannabis trips aren't the same as LSD trips, but then again neither are LSD trips the same as mushroom, nor is eating 2 grams of mushrooms the same as eating 7 grams if you get my drift.

My point is, both cannabis and MDMA have psychedelic properties, so right now the best info you have to go on is how you personally reacted to the more psychedelic aspects of those experiences. Tripping on mushrooms is going to be a lot different but not necessarily more psychedelic depending on the dose. I have had experiences with weed and hash that were a lot more intense than some of my lower dose mushroom trips. The true psychedelic effects of drugs like mushrooms and LSD are really only apparent at higher doses. Lower doses are actually considered psychotropic and not psychedelic. Higher doses are truly psychedelic and a lot more different from cannabis and MDMA experiences.

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And please don't take offence to this but my current view on it is like if I take it I'll change forever no matter what and that I might be delusional and everyone will see it but me.




Thats very unlikely. First of all, understand human beings are born and raised deluded to begin with, especially in our culture which is way out of touch with nature and reality. Psychedelics will probably destroy some of your old delusions and allow you to form new ones. But because you have seen through some of your old ones, you will gain some wisdom, which means other people will not be able to tell anything is necessarily different about you.


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Ahh so, it doesn't force you to think a certain way once you've sobered up, you literally have the choice to think that way if you choose to? and you can change your thought on that any time you want?




I wouldn't put it like that. I would say psychedelics are mainly destructive of the ego and then you do have some control over how you put the ego back together. But once they show you certain things, you can't unsee them. Sometimes you can forget (and you will forget a lot) and/or supress certain things but thats not the same as being able to change your thought any time you want. A lot of it is in how you react psychologically, emotionally and spiritually to your experiences. Read some of the threads on here. Read about some of the issues people are dealing with from their trips. Read some of the negative experiences and some of the positives.

Psychedelics are very powerful. How you use that power, to your benefit, or to your detriment, largely depends on you.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22375768 - 10/13/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks a lot this was very helpful and answered some stuff I forgot to mention or that I didn't put it how I wanted to :smile:


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22376470 - 10/13/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea don't trip with your girlfriend your first time. I would plan a camping trip and then just trip with your buddy once you guys have like 2 days off. It's fucking amazing man, LSD has been one of the most spiritual experiences I've had. Mushrooms are very close behind so definitely treat these chemicals with care and you'll have an awesome time


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22376505 - 10/13/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I watched a documentary today that basically said psychedelics work by removing preconceptions that the brain normally uses for filling in the blanks in perception. Scientifically speaking, that's how psychedelics can change your perception- by destroying preconceived notions. I know that's not news to many, but to hear it explained so concisely was fascinating. Perhaps that's useful information for making your decision.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22376649 - 10/14/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

first of all, you are 18 and hella ppl get depressed for a while around that age or at least in the later teen years.  and what do you mean by " the time I was entering the age 15 my reality and the perception of how I physically/emotionally saw the world completely changed?"

I would honestly try to deal with your problems through therapy or something for a while before you jump into psychedelics to solve your problems. 

ill be honest, though, you sound similar to me at that age.  I took mushrooms when I was 18 and thought I would see cool shit and talk to god.  It can be really overwhelming at certain times and for certain ppl.  its hard to quantify the way it can change you too.

For real though, therapy has done more for my social anxiety and general anxiety and depression than 5g of mushrooms has.  The calm and inner peace I would get from psychs would usually wear off fairly quickly and wasn't a permanent fix.  I am almost certain that you would benefit WAY more if you keep researching psychs, psychology, spirituality, get some help from a therapist and work on your problems that way BEFORE you trip.  That would be my advice.

Coming from a similar place as you, I think that if I had worked on my problems more with others than trying to take care of it on my own, I would be better off emotionally and I probably would have been able to get even more out of my psychedelic experiences.

I am pretty reluctant to advise anyone to try any drugs, but if you do, I would definitely go about it in a  more constructive way if you are looking for relief from anxiety and depression.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
    #22377596 - 10/14/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Based on how you've constructed this post I definitely think that'd you be able to handle psychedelics. My advice for you if you're looking to feel some sort of change is to trip with your closest friends but as someone said before, maybe not your girlfriend; I'd wait a couple of trips to trip with a girlfriend. Also, don't expect things to just be fucking great after tripping. Personally, for me, I thought that things would be awesome after I tripped but nothing really happened at all, in fact I started to feel a little weird about everything but this was at a time when I socially isolated myself pretty bad. I laid off the psychedelics for a little while off of that, started talking to more people again and then I experimented some more and have been able to learn a lot more from my trips than I did back when I first started. I also did most of my first trips alone due to me isolating myself out of this idea that everyone found me annoying.

The trips began to be really uplifting when I started to trip on LSD with my close friends. Every trip I've had with them we always end up talking about shit that we appreciate in each other and how we can personally improve on things we would like to do. My most recent trip with it I was able to really stop thinking about my ex and realized how beautiful every woman was in their own ways which has enabled me to be more flirtatious and shit.

I think one of the most important things I can tell you for after the trip is to not fall into the rabbit hole. Don't be so sure of yourself that you've found the answer as that's when things get really weird for people and they start acting like that crazy hippie that everyone gets tired of.

Honestly, I trip because I find it fucking fun as shit but I always end up leaving the trip with some new way to support myself positively. If you do decide to trip, have fun and be safe!


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: PsychedelicGinge]
    #22377753 - 10/14/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like you could definitely benefit from the psychedelic experience.  If you're looking to expand your mind and become a more grounded, empathetic and spiritual person, psychedelics can be an important part of a holistic plan.  But don't just take drugs and expect yourself to change for the better.  These drugs can change people and give them new thoughts and perspectives, but whether that change is positive or negative in the long run has a lot to do with how you approach things. 

Read a lot of philosophy and spiritual texts (not just drug lit, a wide spectrum of philosophies and possibly some interfaith discourse) start practicing mindfulness and meditation in sober life, do some yoga or martial arts and read up on neuroscience, cognitive science, neurolinguistic programming to try and understand the mechanisms of the mind that you are hacking into chemically and trying to change. 

Don't read a bunch of drugged out metaphysical mumbojumbo about space elves and the spirit world, don't jump in with high doses and frequent tripping with no plan of action or goals in mind and don't trip if your set and setting are not peaceful and conducive to growth, introspection and a spiritual/meditative practice.


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Re: Should I take psychedelics? [Re: Umbre]
    #22383846 - 10/15/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fast for five hours,
Eat an eighth


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