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First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures)
#22375271 - 10/13/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So here we have my first grow log with pictures.
On August 18th I inoculated 5 rye berry jars with B+ from a spore vile that I got from a dutch supplier.
On the night of October 10th my jars were fully colonised. The picture is from a couple of days before full colonisation.

The jars were kept in an airing cupboard that was usually between 20 degs C and 25 degs C (68f - 79f)
The jars seemed to take forever to colonise, nearly two months, and I think this could have been due to a number of factors (please feel free to tell me i'm wrong).
Fluctuating temperatures, lack of indirect light, use of multispore and I think the main reason for slow colonisation was lack of GE due to my lid design.
So on October 10th I prepared my monotub using mainly info from TranscendingLife's tub design and changing it a little to fit my tub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14507008/fpart/1/vc/1
And used damion5050's elementary coir tek for the rest and am following it to the t
http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
The only thing I did differently was not save a top layer of coir and just mixed it all together.
Here's how the tub looked just after spawning:

And this is inside the tub three days later:


I plan to update this post with pictures and results and any tips or observations off you more experienced growers would be most welcome and hopefully i'll be able to pull this off and we'll have pins 
I've been reading this site for years and never quite took the plunge but now I have my own place I thought it was time to dive in don't think I would have even made it this far without this site 
Now we wait
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22375336 - 10/13/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The surface of the tub is showing nice strong growth so far, should be done in less than a week!
How did you make your lids? Lack of proper GE would definitely contribute to stalled growth.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22375449 - 10/13/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice job.
I'm weighing out whether I would like to mix or not. I do have the coir tek bookmarked.
Keep us posted on how it turns out.
Do you have to mist?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22375492 - 10/13/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The surface of the tub is showing nice strong growth so far, should be done in less than a week!
How did you make your lids? Lack of proper GE would definitely contribute to stalled growth.
Less than a week would be amazing!! I'll keep you updated with pictures 
I did four of the lids with four holes for GE and one for innoc but as my first grow I think I got a bit contam paranoid and went to town with the micropore tape. I had even micropored the holes on the inside of the jar before PC-Ing I didn't even realise I had done it until I spawned them!
I think it was definitely poor GE as I had nearly given up hope as there had been no growth for a week so I cracked the lids and amazingly growth took off again in a big way 
I wonder if by having high co2 during colonisation of the jars will give me super growth in the tub?? 
My 5th jar was a bit of a cheat as I ordered it from a supplier before I realised I could actually go to the shop and purchase the jars my self. It had a SHIP and a chunk of polyfill in one larger hole. Although that one seemed to go as slow as the others as well.
Oh well, tis all a learning curve I suppose
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Roostertail]
#22375546 - 10/13/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roostertail said: Nice job.
I'm weighing out whether I would like to mix or not. I do have the coir tek bookmarked.
Keep us posted on how it turns out.
Do you have to mist?
Definitely go for damion5050 coir tek, from what I read, and hopefully soon from personal experience, people have a lot of success with it.
The great thing about it as well is that it's all self contained, no fanning and misting etc, I think the only time you ever mist it is when your looking for a second flush or if you've prepared your substrate or your tub incorrectly and it drys out. But I don't think that will happen if you follow the teks
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22375601 - 10/13/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roostertail said: Nice job.
I'm weighing out whether I would like to mix or not. I do have the coir tek bookmarked.
Keep us posted on how it turns out.
Do you have to mist?
Definitely go for damion5050 coir tek, from what I read, and hopefully soon from personal experience, people have a lot of success with it.
The great thing about it as well is that it's all self contained, no fanning and misting etc, I think the only time you ever mist it is when your looking for a second flush or if you've prepared your substrate or your tub incorrectly and it drys out. But I don't think that will happen if you follow the teks 
Are you talking about the monotub tek your using. I still dont how I want my tub.
I studied an alien tek a while back which used the Alien tek and 50/50 casing
My plan so far is to use poly fil or whatever its called with 2-3 inch drilled holes.
Let me know how yours turns out.
Im on for the ride!!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Roostertail]
#22375653 - 10/13/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, I am thinking of starting a monotub for my next grow, but it probably won't be for a while. Regardless, I want to know, when following Damion5050's tek, did you pasteurize the coir/verm mix or did you just simply pour boiling water into it?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: graciousdog]
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Roostertail]
#22375741 - 10/13/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote: Are you talking about the monotub tek your using. I still dont how I want my tub.
I studied an alien tek a while back which used the Alien tek and 50/50 casing
My plan so far is to use poly fil or whatever its called with 2-3 inch drilled holes.
Let me know how yours turns out.
Im on for the ride!!
Both teks I used are in the post, the only difference was where I drilled the holes on the tub as you want them to be substrate level, so you will need to work that out but it's easy enough and can be measured using water.
During colonisation as well you want your holes covered with duck tape or similar (I used electrical tape) and when it's colonised that's when I'll take the tape off and insert the polyfill.
Basically I'm just following the teks and its my first time so I'll keep ya posted hopefully we'll see pins
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: graciousdog]
#22375772 - 10/13/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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graciousdog said: Hey, I am thinking of starting a monotub for my next grow, but it probably won't be for a while. Regardless, I want to know, when following Damion5050's tek, did you pasteurize the coir/verm mix or did you just simply pour boiling water into it?
Just followed the tek I think it was 4 quarts of water, boiled on the stove then added to the coir brick and 2 quarts verm and left for half an hour before mixing thoroughly.
I sealed the lid on my bucket as soon as I added the water, the heat or gases from the hydrating coir blew the lid off my bucket with an almighty bang so I may not seal it as tight next time.
But so far it all seems to be going well
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22375789 - 10/13/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cant go wrong with scolding hot boiling water.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Roostertail]
#22375794 - 10/13/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roostertail said: This what I plan on using with rye.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12968957/vc/1#12968957
Looks good, quicker than the way I did it. I did the 24hour soak and RR's method.
Let me know how you get on with it, always good to save a bit of time
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22376412 - 10/13/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Less than a week would be amazing!! I'll keep you updated with pictures 

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Smoothcat said: I did four of the lids with four holes for GE and one for innoc but as my first grow I think I got a bit contam paranoid and went to town with the micropore tape. I had even micropored the holes on the inside of the jar before PC-Ing I didn't even realise I had done it until I spawned them!
Micropore tape is a pretty weak GE filter, as it is very porous, and contams can still pass through. I highly recommend looking into SFD's. They've worked great for me and I've seen them used frequently by most TC's and other cultivators.
Micropore on the INSIDE of a grain jar is a bad idea. I'm surprised your jar didn't contaminate right away, perhaps some bacteria got in, you'll find out later.
Shaking the grains will wet the tape and it will be a breeding ground for contams to grow, as it is not waterproof.
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Smoothcat said: I think it was definitely poor GE as I had nearly given up hope as there had been no growth for a week so I cracked the lids and amazingly growth took off again in a big way 
I hope you cracked the jar lid open inside of your SAB, because if not, the results will not be pretty, as contams will fly right into the jar.
Like I said before, you'll find out later in the fruiting stage.
From the pics, the mycelium looks to be healthy, but you never know what's hiding beneath the surface.
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Smoothcat said: I wonder if by having high co2 during colonisation of the jars will give me super growth in the tub?? 
Grain jars are supposed to have high CO2 levels during colonization, with some GE.
Genetics plays the biggest role in determining the fruiting potential of the tub. When you start from MS, you never know what you're gonna get. The yield could be great, terrible, and everything in between. It's just a roll of the dice.
Adequate FAE and lighting are other factors that play a significant role, and must be supplied properly, so the full potential of the mycelium can be expressed.
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Smoothcat said: My 5th jar was a bit of a cheat as I ordered it from a supplier before I realised I could actually go to the shop and purchase the jars my self. It had a SHIP and a chunk of polyfill in one larger hole. Although that one seemed to go as slow as the others as well.
I remember using SHIP's when I first started with grain jars.
It wasn't until I made a functional SAB, that I realized that it would be just as simple to crack the lid in there, and inoculate directly.
I mean, you're gonna have to do some G2G transfers and agar work eventually, might as well get comfortable practicing your sterile techniques inside the SAB now.
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Smoothcat said: Oh well, tis all a learning curve I suppose 
It definitely is. I'm still learning new things everyday, and I been on here for like a year!
I love this hobby, wouldn't trade it for anything else. I know you feel the same too (based on your sig lol).
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22377187 - 10/14/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Micropore tape is a pretty weak GE filter, as it is very porous, and contams can still pass through. I highly recommend looking into SFD's. They've worked great for me and I've seen them used frequently by most TC's and other cultivators.
Yes I realise this now, I do now have SFD's but I'd already made my jars up and people had said micropore was ok, definitely using the discs next time 
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I remember using SHIP's when I first started with grain jars.
It wasn't until I made a functional SAB, that I realized that it would be just as simple to crack the lid in there, and inoculate directly.
I mean, you're gonna have to do some G2G transfers and agar work eventually, might as well get comfortable practicing your sterile techniques inside the SAB now.
I hope you cracked the jar lid open inside of your SAB, because if not, the results will not be pretty, as contams will fly right into the jar.
I don't have an SAB I just ousted everywhere and was as sterile as possible, doors windows closed Lysol etc. I'm probably 101 on how to cowboy the whole process 
I want to do more in this like g2g and agar etc so it looks like I'll need to be building an SAB for next time 
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Like I said before, you'll find out later in the fruiting stage.
From the pics, the mycelium looks to be healthy, but you never know what's hiding beneath the surface.
Exactly, everything has looked right, no visible signs of contams and the tub looks good but we will have to wait to fruiting (if any) to find out 
Fingers crossed, updates to follow
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22380299 - 10/14/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You will need a SAB for your future grows, if you want consistent success and not just luck.
Contam rates are still very high during open air inoculations, even if proper precautions are taken.
SAB's are soo simple to make. Just get a 66qt tote or larger, and use a hole saw to cut two large holes for your hands to fit through (I just heat up the bottom of an empty tomato can and melt it through, it's a lot easier ). Make sure to off-set the holes, so you can maneuver around the SAB easier.
Here's my SAB, it also has added tyvek sleeves and a cover, it helps prevent air currents from going inside:


When you're ready to use it, place all your materials inside, then spray it down with soapy water to trap contams against the sides of the box and let it sit for a few minutes for the air to settle. Remember, still air is key to success, so work slowly in the box, no fast movements.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22380497 - 10/14/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is why I love this site and the people who post on here 
I just happen to have a spare tub and love your easy way of cutting the holes.
You've inspired me! This will be my next piece of kit for my next experiments 
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22380647 - 10/14/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: LocN9ne]
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22387137 - 10/16/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So here's an update on the tubs progress so far 
So it was spawned on the night of the 10th and today is the 16th so I suppose you could say it's 5.5 days in.
Pics:


Now I know it's a bit difficult to see through the tub what with all the condensation but I don't want to crack the lid just yet, maybe in a couple more days I will.
But basically it's almost completely colonised with just a few patches left to go which hopefully will be done in the next day or so 
Soo excited
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22387860 - 10/16/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's glistening like snow, only its not melting it's GROWING
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22403604 - 10/19/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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To fruit or not to fruit, that is the question!



So there is still like one or two tiny little bits of uncolonised sub, so it seems.
Now I'm desperate to fruit these, tomorrow will be day 10. Now should I just wait and fruit tomorrow or will these be OK to go today?? I have a feeling I know what the answer will be but I want some more experienced growers input as this is my first grow.
Also, on average, how long can it be to get fruits??
Thanks all, this is so exciting this has been quite the journey
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22404004 - 10/19/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I say wait the extra day to be sure it's fully colonized, so when you introduce the tub to fruiting conditions, it'll be ready to start pinning right away
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22415174 - 10/21/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I removed the tape, inserted poly, and removed the bag added light etc yesterday. Hopefully we will see some knots soon. Pics to (hopefully) follow.
I've been reading this really interesting thread about casing and fruiting and when to do it etc, here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950
I wasn't planning on casing mine. What's your preferred method?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
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I always tape up my holes during colonization of the bulk sub, you want to keep those co2 levels as high as possible.
Then when fully colonized, I case with jiffy mix at a thin layer (1/4 inch) and put it back into colonization until the surface is covered at about 30%. Then I remove the tape from all the holes, stuff with poly, and introduce light on a 12/12 schedule!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Psilosoulful said: I always tape up my holes during colonization of the bulk sub, you want to keep those co2 levels as high as possible.
Then when fully colonized, I case with jiffy mix at a thin layer (1/4 inch) and put it back into colonization until the surface is covered at about 30%. Then I remove the tape from all the holes, stuff with poly, and introduce light on a 12/12 schedule! 
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Psilosoulful said: I always tape up my holes during colonization of the bulk sub, you want to keep those co2 levels as high as possible.
Then when fully colonized, I case with jiffy mix at a thin layer (1/4 inch) and put it back into colonization until the surface is covered at about 30%. Then I remove the tape from all the holes, stuff with poly, and introduce light on a 12/12 schedule! 
Can you also wrap a black trash bag around the tub and look at it after 10 days?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Roostertail]
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Roostertail said: Can you also wrap a black trash bag around the tub and look at it after 10 days?
The black bag around the tub isn't necessary. Light is actually beneficial to mycelium at all stages of growth. The tub will pin up when it is fully colonized and has adequate FAE!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22415531 - 10/21/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used a bag on mine, it wasn't very opaque anyway so most light got through, but my lid was pretty flimsy so I think it was more for limiting GE if anything.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22415600 - 10/21/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah the lids on most of my mono tubs were pretty loose too. They'll colonize fine tho as long as the co2 stays high at the surface.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22449140 - 10/29/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey man how's the tub doing?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: ESPdude]
#22449906 - 10/29/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the tub is taking its time, I'm putting it down to bad genetics or possible contamination. But I think it's just being slow and will fruit when it's ready as it still looks and smells good.


Unfortunately for me tho I have to go away for some time (not prison!!) so I'm gonna miss this baby fruiting, however I have left it the hands of someone to look after her and they promise to take pictures so I will still be able to keep the thread updated.
And thanks for asking ESP
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22449982 - 10/29/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tub still looks good. Some tubs take longer than others, could be from genetics or perhaps dirty spawn. It's hard to know for sure. That's why you have to get really good at using your SAB to greatly reduce the possibly of a contam entering your jars and slowing down progress later on.
And also, remove the tape from the side of the tub. You want the substrate to shrink with the liner and not to create a gap (which leads to a lot of side-pinning). Better to avoid that, as they are a pain to harvest. You don't have to remove the tap fully, as it is attached to the mycelium in some areas and might damage the sub. Just cut it loose from the sides of the tub.
Too bad you won't be around to see your tub fruit. That's the best part!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22450043 - 10/29/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see what you mean with the tape now Psilo, I'll have to send instructions to the guy looking after it.
And also you wouldn't believe how gutted/frustrated I am that I'll miss the fruiting but hopefully the pictures will bring me some solace 
They did say they were gonna dry the fruits out so at least I'll have something to look forward to upon my return 
Also all my stuff for agar has arrived today so I'm getting onto that as soon as I get back too!!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22450104 - 10/29/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool man! Make sure your friend dries them out with a food dehydrator right after picking. Turn it to the highest setting and come back in 12 hours and they'll be done! 
Maybe your friend can take some prints for you while your gone? Then when you come back you can just swipe those on agar and start isolating it to get a clean culture. I've read that taking clones from the second flush leads to weaker genetics..
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22450188 - 10/29/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Cool man! Make sure your friend dries them out with a food dehydrator right after picking. Turn it to the highest setting and come back in 12 hours and they'll be done! 
Maybe your friend can take some prints for you while your gone? Then when you come back you can just swipe those on agar and start isolating it to get a clean culture. I've read that taking clones from the second flush leads to weaker genetics.. 
Again, great advice, thanks Psilo 
I think I can convince my pal to do that, he'll be scared tho as I've done lots of reading on here and have a good idea how to go about it, and I know how it can all seem daunting at first. Maybe able to convert him and get him registered on here lol
Also I splashed out and bought an Excalibur my friend is also looking after that
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22450393 - 10/29/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Cool man! Make sure your friend dries them out with a food dehydrator right after picking. Turn it to the highest setting and come back in 12 hours and they'll be done! 
Maybe your friend can take some prints for you while your gone? Then when you come back you can just swipe those on agar and start isolating it to get a clean culture. I've read that taking clones from the second flush leads to weaker genetics.. 
Again, great advice, thanks Psilo 
I think I can convince my pal to do that, he'll be scared tho as I've done lots of reading on here and have a good idea how to go about it, and I know how it can all seem daunting at first. Maybe able to convert him and get him registered on here lol
Also I splashed out and bought an Excalibur my friend is also looking after that 
No problem dude 
Some cultivators take extra precautions to keep their prints as sterile as possible, but the mushrooms are already exposed to outside air, so it's a bit unnecessary IMO. That's why using agar is such a life-saver, you can take multiple transfers to get a super clean culture from even the dirtiest spore print! 
Basically, just cut the mature mushroom right below the cap so spores can easily be deposited on the piece of aluminum foil you're using. Place a glass over the mushroom/foil to maintain humidity and speed up the process. After 24 hours or so, most of the spores will be on the foil. Remove the cap and place the foil in your dehydrator at the lowest setting for a couple of hours. After that, it's ready to be stored and used on your agar plates!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22459965 - 10/31/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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And we have lift off!!! I got my pal to take the tape off the bag and it seems like we have action, pins!!! 

I've also asked him to get me a print so I can jump straight in when I get back,
Man I wish I was there....
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22460061 - 11/01/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking good so far!!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22461216 - 11/01/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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They're coming!!!



If only I were there to witness....
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22461251 - 11/01/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice high def photos, I need to get a good camera! 
Yeah, that is too bad man, they grow up soo fast.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22466420 - 11/02/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok so not the greatest pinset so far, but i'm pleased to see it working 

I think we might have mutations as well, what are your thoughts?

Any ideas what might trigger that? Its difficult for me to get a good idea of whats going on not being there.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22466471 - 11/02/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it was multi-spore syringe its normal to see mutation!
Does the tub looks too wet?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: oontribe]
#22466520 - 11/02/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it was MS, first go at this so I couldn't say if the tub is too wet or not (also i'm a fair few miles away from it ), it just seems to glisten with moisture.
I followed Damion5050's tek to the Tee as with water and that.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22466894 - 11/02/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would loose the top holes more or increase the fan intensity!
the tub shouldnt be dried or too wet...just glistening.
other than that everything looks good, good luck mate.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: oontribe]
#22468017 - 11/02/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel your pain on missing the first flush. I managed to get a wall to wall flush on my first try that blew their spores everywhere. Black caps everywhere. At least your buddy is watching them I didn't have the luxury.
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when they spread their spores, they signal to the myc to stop fruiting. you should beware about that if you want better yield on the next flushes. could be wrong tho.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: oontribe]
#22469419 - 11/03/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking bigger today 

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when they spread their spores, they signal to the myc to stop fruiting. you should beware about that if you want better yield on the next flushes. could be wrong tho.
So I take it with some the veil will break sooner than others?
Do I need to tell him to harvest before any of their veils break?
What if I need just one to break so I can get him to take a print for me?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22469436 - 11/03/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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JUST before or after the veil starts to break.
Its ok for some spores to drop but not leaving it till it turns into a mess.
So if you want to print wait for the cap to be flattened a little...it might drop some on the substrate but still, it can gives you a good heavy print.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: oontribe]
#22469806 - 11/03/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking good man
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Soreidorb]
#22470453 - 11/03/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some crazy mutants here 

So, maybe another day or two to harvest?
Any tips on how to harvest the little blighters as dont want to damage substrate too much as going to try for another flush 
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22470650 - 11/03/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good job mate, very nice first grow log.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22470700 - 11/03/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Any tips on how to harvest the little blighters as dont want to damage substrate too much as going to try for another flush 
Use a small scissor and cut at the very base of the mushroom, this will ensure the substrate doesn't get damaged.
However, most people use the twist and pull method, and don't have contamination issues, as the sub is very contam resistant, so ripping up some of the surface is not a big deal. It's the way I usually do it and have gotten 3 to 4 flushes off my tubs.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22470974 - 11/03/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said: Good job mate, very nice first grow log.


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Smoothcat said: Any tips on how to harvest the little blighters as dont want to damage substrate too much as going to try for another flush 
Use a small scissor and cut at the very base of the mushroom, this will ensure the substrate doesn't get damaged.
However, most people use the twist and pull method, and don't have contamination issues, as the sub is very contam resistant, so ripping up some of the surface is not a big deal. It's the way I usually do it and have gotten 3 to 4 flushes off my tubs.
He'll probably do twist and pull, I've seen pictures where people have cut with scissors and it looks weird, does it still flush again good if cut? Anyone got any experience with that?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22479330 - 11/05/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So here are the last pictures of the first flush before harvesting.

Hopefully I should get a picture of the harvested fruits to share with you all soon 
Any tips on how to set up for the next flush?
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22479338 - 11/05/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuckin aye... Just mist heavily, or dunk it...up to you.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: LocN9ne]
#22480746 - 11/05/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So it turns out they were left overnight before harvesting, looking like this:

Turned into this

800g Fresh
Not bad for my first ever grow, despite the time it took.
Roll on flush no.2
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22481443 - 11/05/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not bad at all!
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful] 1
#22499781 - 11/09/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flush no.2 on its way

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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22512034 - 11/11/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice job man! I just started making pasty plates today for my next grow. Hope it turns out a bit better than my first one. I only managed to get a few once outta this tub.
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: ESPdude]
#22554077 - 11/21/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Second flush looking good 

Any advice on how to dunk to prepare for number 3?
Weights coming soon
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22555529 - 11/21/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Second flush looking good 

Any advice on how to dunk to prepare for number 3?
Weights coming soon 
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22572149 - 11/25/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Second flush looking good 

Any advice on how to dunk to prepare for number 3?
Weights coming soon 
Tribal Dunk Tek 
Cheers Psilo we on it
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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Smoothcat]
#22572219 - 11/25/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said:
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Smoothcat said: Second flush looking good 

Any advice on how to dunk to prepare for number 3?
Weights coming soon 
Tribal Dunk Tek 
Cheers Psilo we on it

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Re: First ever mono tub (b+ with pictures) [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22575807 - 11/25/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wooo pics of harvested second flush going in the dehydrator 
Hopefully get a weight soon
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