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Another thread about the safety of psychedelics
    #22375196 - 10/13/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This has been a concern of mine for a number of years now. I have gone from thinking psychedelics were the greatest thing since sliced bread, to having serious concerns over their safety (mostly in a spiritual sense, not so much physical or even psychological though I realize there are serious psychological dangers for some people), to thinking they were great again, to now once more questioning them.

My most recent psychedelic enthusiasm was due to my discovery of the native american peyote healing music. I felt as though listening to this music while on mescaline healed me in so many ways. 

However I have been reading a book called the Peyote Cult about how peyote use spread to different tribes throughout North America and apparently not all native americans were enthusiastic about it. Here is a quote from a Winnebago tribal elder who strongly opposed the spread of peyote to his people:

"This medicine is one of the four spirits from below, and for that reason it is a bad thing. These spirits have always longed for human beings and now they are getting hold of them. Those who use this medicine claim that when they die they will only be going on a long journey. But that is not the truth, for when they eat peyote they destroy their spirits, and death to them will mean extermination. If I spit upon the floor, the sputum will soon dry up and nothing will remain of it. So death will be for them. I might go out and preach against this doctrine, but it would be of no avail, for I certainly would not be able to draw more than one or two people away from this spirit. Many will be taken in by this medicine; they will not be able to help themselves in any way. The bad spirit will certainly seize them."

In addition to this, I have recently been experimenting quite a bit with amanita muscaria and one of the things this mushroom has been showing me, is how my use of psychedelics has harmed me and it has been healing me of various spiritual ailments caused by my use of psychedelics.

On the other hand, I still feel as though mescaline and the peyote music has healed me in a lot of ways too, though perhaps harmed me in others and I wonder, are the positive effects worth the negative?

I am considering ceasing all entheogen use save for amanita muscaria, which I do not believe is "one of the four spirits from below" but that it is from above.

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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22375236 - 10/13/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i think psychedelics are definitely something that are best used with moderation. too much too frequently i think can put too much strain on the psyche and not allow enough time for integration and energetic reassembly. plus trips seem more meaningful when used sparsely.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22375248 - 10/13/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How do you distinguish above from below?

Are you moving relative to these places? That is to say, is what was once above now below as you move upward?

Perhaps continuing to partake in a medicine as a matter of habit after you are healed can be limiting/debilitating. My relationship to cannabis now feels like this.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #22375431 - 10/13/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Perhaps continuing to partake in a medicine as a matter of habit after you are healed can be limiting/debilitating. My relationship to cannabis now feels like this.




I can say with utter certainty that cannabis is best consumed once to twice per month.  Once one goes to this regimen one sees very little point in smoking more than that and developing a tolerance along with a habit.  I don't smoke weed anymore but at the tail end of my 'career' with it that was my m.o., and I had never enjoyed it more nor found it more compatible with a healthier lifestyle.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22375578 - 10/13/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, yes moderation can certainly be important but that wasn't exactly what the Winnebago elder was saying. If he had said, peyote is alright in moderation, I would not have made this thread. Incidentally, many native americans go to peyote meetings every week, in some cases even 2 or 3 per week. I have never read anything about moderation from peyoters, they seem to think it is good to eat peyote often.

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How do you distinguish above from below?

Are you moving relative to these places? That is to say, is what was once above now below as you move upward?




I was just quoting the elder, I am not sure I really understand what he was saying.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22375694 - 10/13/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Throughout my life, i have quite commonly taken 6 month breaks; this is because, while ganja is very sacred, very holy and beautiful - if one is interested in competing at chess, or another similar endeavor - well, it is wise or useful to do this.  But then - what exactly is the point of competing? hehe. . . what I mean is, other than to keep you sharp.  And then - playing vs. a computer can be wonderful, simply because they do not have any ego - no bad habits to pick up, etc.  Simply a certain level of pure tactical calculation, following a few rudimentary or incrementally more advanced positional algorithms.


The quote you mentioned seems insubstantial: follow your heart.  There will always be some people who are not in favor of entheogens - First People are sacred in many ways, yet this doesn't mean they are not human beings -- they simply had a large number of very wise shamans; I remember they climb trees a lot, from stories I've read -- of course, in those days it was often related to tactical safety -- to climb a tree gives one a vantage point, from which one may see farther over the countryside. . .


I mention this simply because from my life, I have found climbing trees to be a very spiritual experience - for me, frequently or often they are the best place to meditate -- what is more still than a tree?  And yet they are very alive -- so learning how to feel the Spirit of trees, this has been my goal often -- on and occasionally since very early childhood.


I followed a sort of idea - 'When you get the message, hang up the phone' shared by Watts . . . having studied his writing on LSD experiences, continuing the work of Huxley; and only took each of several different ones about twice or so. . . DMT, LSD, and then shrooms about 3 times a few years earlier...


DQ mentioning only taking Mari-j a couple times a month is almost similar to my own. . . Similar, sure. 


Only I would go deeper into the sacred of it -- try to connect with earth as much as possible --


and especially, consider how much our actions affect her,  and help to do our best to heal her --


that's just my general position -- as i have learned, the more connected one is to mother earth -- the better; and while one doesn't Have to reduce consumption by 50, 75%, several times - it certainly is very easy -- and in fact, it is entirely possible to continually re-adjust one's life, making changes for the better, and good planning for the future --


so that eventually, one may live, taking nothing, certainly not more than one gives back to earth, and so forth .. .


So - especially as First People are primarily concerned with earth, the only mother, to use a phrase from beloved Black Elk, I would say considering this may be of help to you in answering that question -- which, of course, as others wrote, is up for you to decide.


hehe, I de-railed myself slightly --- and, in good form i wish to say - we are all equally responsible. . .


it's an interesting idea -- oh, today i recently came across a wonderful story --- ah, i'll share that later.


i'll bet deff knows what i'm talkin about. :smile:



all I originally meant to say - when i side-tracked and began talking about reducing our consumption of 'resources' --- which is a re-phrasing of the issue. . .


in fact, what materialists refer to as resources are less-callously known by the more descriptive Sacred Life - which they are. . .



a small thing, to be sure, yet words and subtle descriptors do affect the way dialog shapes up, and over time that has significant influence in other patterns in the world.



Ah - all I meant to say was. . . there are so many levels, of life - sacred life, which is what First People spirituality is about entering in to --


it is not specifically always about entheogens, certainly.  And besides the ones - like the one you mentioned, no disrespect towards him, I merely consider him to be along the lines of others who reject it...  What is the difference of one who says those things - who believe hard drugs are better than healing plants --

or whoever --  I am guessing this person isn't necessarily saying that hard drugs are -- but maybe he is. . . you never know. 


Again no disrespect intended -- but if he is, that's an unpleasant view, to say the least.


Which - everyone is entitled to their view - of course; and discussion and what not can be good, if it's healthful and so forth --


Yet, in material culture, well -- I won't get into it -- but simply to say sacred herbs - ganja, and as . . . who is his name?  a new member - wrote - other sacred plants as well -


should be made legal; etc.


Ah ----- I never got to my point, please forgive me, dear friend.  What I mean to say is - there are many levels to life. . . especially to sacred life -


there is a very beautiful thing which has to do with how we partake of things -- how we do a thing, is often nearly important as what is done.


( i pause, and consider -- actually, almost so, so much more important )


One could perform the same task -- let us say, writing a letter -- how one does such, makes a big difference..


I was going to say, working -- anything though; one may do such things restfully - at home in the body --


using all of one's energy in the very best way possible -- and doing things restfully like this --


even if the work is something fairly active, -- can often be done very restfully. . .


and, I ran out of steam, hehe. :sun:


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22375961 - 10/13/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I was just quoting the elder, I am not sure I really understand what he was saying.




Ah, I thought you had adopted a framing of entheogens as above or below based on your last comment about amanita muscaria.

I think we can all do with a return to baseline sobriety for a time, so if that's how you are currently inclined then go for it.  I'm curious though -- why do you set muscaria apart from other entheogens? Is this based on your own experience or from the book you're reading?

Also, what are the other three spirits from below according to this elder? If there are only four, would it then follow that the rest are from above?  Or is the elder making a declaration with his experience and interpretation as the ground of objective truth, as we are wont to do?

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I can say with utter certainty that cannabis is best consumed once to twice per month.  Once one goes to this regimen one sees very little point in smoking more than that and developing a tolerance along with a habit.  I don't smoke weed anymore but at the tail end of my 'career' with it that was my m.o., and I had never enjoyed it more nor found it more compatible with a healthier lifestyle.




Yes, my 'career' has been a long and intermittent one, with a resurgence in recent years. It is an area where I have had difficulty maintaining self control, but I think I've finally arrived at some clarity as to what she gives and what she takes. It is a matter of diminishing returns for me--a poor trade, hence we meet rarely now.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #22376189 - 10/13/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, my 'career' has been a long and intermittent one, with a resurgence in recent years. It is an area where I have had difficulty maintaining self control, but I think I've finally arrived at some clarity as to what she gives and what she takes. It is a matter of diminishing returns for me--a poor trade, hence we meet rarely now.




Similar here; the first two times I took LSD were the most profound experiences of my life - the first time, more than the second; but the second time, very much so as well - that second time was so incredibly beautiful - also experiencing the similar in a sense, beauty of an 'added' dimension almost, we don't often perceive. . To wit - i suddenly realized i was, not the character in a book, not a character on a page, controlled by external events - but i was the author, holding the pen. . . and i spent a little while in that state &c.

2nd didn't last as long as the first one i took - that one was roughly 6 hours. . i won't go into it here, it's plenty of elsewheres, but it was very lovely, to say the least. . . third time was just because it was available, heh, and i haven't ever searched for it again. . . -- i hadn't really expected to take it a third time, and that's all good -- it was still quite lovely, in its way - just a pleasant experience that time, is all though.

then naturally i spent the next 8 years exploring spirituality and the sacred, to integrate what all i had experienced, and doing the dance of life, the normal path, to seek to understand the beauty and wisdom of nature's heart, and bring it into my life to full.

there's a couple of things i didn't mention - or one, anyway..  dear friend, if you are looking about entering the sacred, from a First People's path, there is also a total possibility of doing so. . . not necessarily to go through Peyote, which is what it is - it's one i haven't taken myself and someday - well i won't cast any predictions. . hehe.  Was going to say - maybe checkout sweat lodge if you haven't; with a respected leader of such ceremonies, also a friend if such a combination or overlap can be found. :sun:

oh also - you do know a fair amount of DMT gets released each time we enter REM sleep - just checking :wink: hehe. . . if not, ya. . . pretty lovely i always thought. :smile:


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22376221 - 10/13/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I meditated on why the elder said this and I think I understand now. It is true that peyote leads to this, if one were to simply unconsciously follow along with every feeling it produced in him.

However, I feel like the truly skilled peyoter would be able to avoid this pitfall. Cactus (for me) taught me to open my heart to God's love. That is the way of life, not death.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22376327 - 10/13/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

that's how i feel too :sun:

that is, it's a part of a very beautiful life. . also really liked what you said on that thread and..

i found it very helpful to have done the practice, put in the time beforehand. . meditative practice and spiritual practice.  i felt - and feel - that if one is happy and peaceful.. and truly knows, these and a few others, it can be a great aid to having the kind of trip one wishes -- also, naturally, to do these with reverence, for life and the experience, for a chance to expand consciousness, and get in touch with deeper reality - one is much more likely to have a meaningful experience - almost certain to, i felt then..  or as i recall feeling - if one is peaceful and happy, impossible to have a bad trip --

ah, but you put it simply and excellently; these were very life-affirming to me too.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22480824 - 11/05/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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"This medicine is one of the four spirits from below, and for that reason it is a bad thing. These spirits have always longed for human beings and now they are getting hold of them. Those who use this medicine claim that when they die they will only be going on a long journey. But that is not the truth, for when they eat peyote they destroy their spirits, and death to them will mean extermination. If I spit upon the floor, the sputum will soon dry up and nothing will remain of it. So death will be for them. I might go out and preach against this doctrine, but it would be of no avail, for I certainly would not be able to draw more than one or two people away from this spirit. Many will be taken in by this medicine; they will not be able to help themselves in any way. The bad spirit will certainly seize them."




I'd like to know why he feels this way.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22499011 - 11/09/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I am considering ceasing all entheogen use save for amanita muscaria, which I do not believe is "one of the four spirits from below" but that it is from above.

Comments?




And where does Winnebago get this information from? Pure mumbo jumbo, drivel and religious nonsense.


IMO Muscaria is good as medicine up to 5g because it has antiseptic qualities, and it is a great sedative. Sleep is good for you - the best medicine for humans period, but I wouldn't do it daily - as it contains trace amounts of toxins which will build up over time. Plus it works less the more you do it. I do it max once every couple of weeks over a few days.

Psilocybin (my favourite) I think works best in large amounts occasionally, once or twice a month or so max. I don't trip very far, if I abuse it. Ie. there is less to clean out mentally the more frequent you do it, so the 'trip' is less the more often you take it. The pain (scary bits in trips) is sometimes part of the healing process, and there is more pain the less frequently you do it. I think that's why first timers often get freaked out, because they have potentially a lifetime of problems to work out in one go. There is no need to make up scary stories about 'four spirits below'. What a load of crap. Sounds to me, like they did too much first time and had a bummer. 

I do psilocybin seasonally (semilanceata), and dry whatever I can get my hands on for long cold periods without much joy.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: xeberdee]
    #22499394 - 11/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And where does Winnebago get this information from? Pure mumbo jumbo, drivel and religious nonsense.




Yeah, just because someone is Winnebago, doesn't mean they're enlightened, haha.


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    #22502853 - 11/09/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't saying that just because he was Winnebago he must know what he is talking about, after all he was speaking about the Winnebago using peyote so obviously not all Winnebago feel the way he did.

Secondly, I think it is naive to call what he said religious nonsense. He was a Winnebago elder, of course he is going to speak in terms that sound religious to you. Other spiritual teachers like meher baba have said similar things, but without using religious connotations.

The problem is we do not know what he really meant.

My personal view now is that there is some truth in what people like him, meher baba and other anti-drug gurus said but I don't think it is the whole truth.

I think basically using psychedelics can go either way, it can be very beneficial but it also has the potential to be very destructive and anything in between. THose who oppose it will always harp on the fact that drugs are not needed to see the truth and thus from their point of view they will always feel as though they are a stupid and unnecessary risk.

On the other side you have people like me who feel like if I hadn't taken drugs I would never have gotten anywhere on the spiritual path because I was simply too stubborn and negative minded. I really needed a drug to show me that there was something outside of my mind negative self defeating mind. I was one of those people who always felt like religion, spiritual practices, etc were things which worked for other people but just weren't powerful enough to help someone as messed up as I was. Drugs helped me to see beyond my own idiocy and now my mind/ego cannot deceive me so well anymore.

I also can't help but feel like why would drugs exist if no one was supposed to use them? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe if your an atheist that just believes everything is random but I am not an atheist and I do not believe everything is just by chance. I can actually support this with the following argument. In nature, there are plants which are edible, plants which make us sick and/or are poisonous and plants which are psychoactive.

Now, consider the following. If the psychoactive compounds in plants occurred just by chance, then one would expect that they would be distributed evenly among the categories I listed. THere be might be some plants which are both psychoactive and safe to use but there would be others which while they might produce a great high, they also happen to cause liver failure or other diseases. In addition to this most psychoactive plants contain reasonable and practical dosages. For example you dont find many plants producing compounds so strong that one small leaf is enough to cause death, nor you do you find many plants producing ones so weak that you need a whole tree to make 3 or 4 doses. If it was purely by chance, you would expect there to be psychoactive plants like this.

Most psychoactive herbs are in fact relatively safe to use and come in amounts and dosages such that they are both practical and reasonably affordable to the average person. They also seem to have specific actions. For example, in psychedeic cactus  or even marijuana it has been found that a lot of different alkaloids contribyute to the effect, as we've heard its not just THC that makes weed psychoactive buyt also cbd or whatever its called. Why do they just happen to occur together in such a way as is beneficial to humans? Isnt it equally likely that a plant would produce only one psychoactive chemical considering most plants produce none? Why do the psychoactive plants tend to contain a bunch of different chemicals which work together to benefit man?

Another thing I realized recently is that the Bible says  psychedelics were made by God for the benefit of man:

Wisdom Chatper 1

14For he fashioned all things that they might have being,

and the creatures of the world are wholesome;

There is not a destructive drug among them

nor any domain of Hades* on earth,


15For righteousness is undying.* m


Here the Bible is telling us that among the  natural drugs which the LORD has made, there is not one that is destructive.

Obviously people get addicted to things like opium and cocaine but we must consider that that is a result of man's fall, which corrupted all of creation. When man is in right relationship with the earth, all the plant medicines are useful rather than harmful.


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    #22507789 - 11/11/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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This has been a concern of mine for a number of years now. I have gone from thinking psychedelics were the greatest thing since sliced bread, to having serious concerns over their safety (mostly in a spiritual sense, not so much physical or even psychological though I realize there are serious psychological dangers for some people), to thinking they were great again, to now once more questioning them.


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You realize there are serious psychological dangers "for some people". Not for you though, right? The Greeks had a word for this: Hubris.

Amanita contains a substance poisonous to the liver. Be careful. As one get older, the liver functions less efficiently--even if you don't systematically
poison it.

Why not try meditation and forgo substances. Psychedelics show you what is there. That seems to be their role. Once they have done that, further use, for most people, is spiritual masturbation.

Ask yourself this: Would I take psyches, would I take amanita, it I didn't get high from them? I mean, euphoric, body high. If you wouldn't, you are really only a hedonist in spritual drag.IMHO.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: champinhom]
    #22509527 - 11/11/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I do meditate and pray on a daily bases. Psychedelics can do more than show you what is there though, they can also help you to re-arrange your mental arena.

When I take psychedelics I find I am presented with a choice. Either enjoy the effect, or make use of the effect to re-program my brain/mind. This is a very unpleasant and painful process but I experience the benefits later when I am sober. It can be done sober but I find psychedelics give me more energy to engage in this kind of work.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22509762 - 11/11/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I hope it keeps working for you.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: champinhom]
    #22509890 - 11/11/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks i am actually on a break from  psychedelics right now including amanita but i am experimenting with kava which i find helps still mental chatter while leaving the mind clear. it doesnt make you trip out or cause hallucinations though. one of the problems i had when using psychedelics is i would tend to think about my next trip or reminice over my last trip too often and that would take me out of present moment awareness. so i am enjoying not having to worry about any of that.


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22510189 - 11/11/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I do meditate and pray on a daily bases. Psychedelics can do more than show you what is there though, they can also help you to re-arrange your mental arena.

When I take psychedelics I find I am presented with a choice. Either enjoy the effect, or make use of the effect to re-program my brain/mind. This is a very unpleasant and painful process but I experience the benefits later when I am sober. It can be done sober but I find psychedelics give me more energy to engage in this kind of work.




I would say that it 'gives me more insight' to engage. The brain becomes much more more analytical of ego, instinctive and over dimensional by taking the poisonous drug. If something is in there - it will magnify it's meaning for you. Other poisonous drugs like alcohol do slightly similar things - as in people who will tell you that 'You are my bestest, bestethh, bester pal, hic..' when they are pissed - I wouldn't really class psychoactives like Psilocybin and Ergot based stuff as any different really, except that they really kick into the ego analysis and have some nice visual hallucinations if you eat enough :laugh:

However - I would not consider Amanita Muscaria as a dangerous analytical or visual psychoactive. It's just not in the same league as Psilocybin IMO - as it doesn't even budge my ego or visuals and instead it just gets me into a nice sensible half drunken mood up to about 5g. Over that it just sends me to sleep for longer and longer periods before waking up in a good mood. That's great too if you need it, but I'm not at all sure about the long term build up of toxins, if you use wine/soma or ambrosia as an effective sedative over any length of time.

There is plenty of long term evidence for Psilocybin and Alcohol misuse (neither of which are really very good)

As for - 'The Lord made them' just think about it for a while first.... if he is omnipotent and he loves you, then why did he make poisonous substances that will almost kill you? What about crack cocaine or heroin mixed with cement?


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Re: Another thread about the safety of psychedelics [Re: xeberdee]
    #22510466 - 11/11/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybin doesn't almost kill you as far as I know. I am not really sure what you getting at in your post. As for why the LORD made things that can hurt you, it is because everything in the physical realm has a good side and a bad side to it.


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