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consciousness without awareness
    #22374866 - 10/13/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There seems to be such a thing as consciousness without awareness.  For example, subconscious processes are conscious, but we are not normally aware of them.  Normally when we use the term 'consciousness,' what we really mean is 'awareness.'  There is a subtle differentiation between the two, which are different by degrees.  Another example would be interacting with someone socially, and you're focused on something else, and a conversation takes place even though you're not exactly fully aware of it.  Happens to me all the time.  It was a conscious conversation, without full awareness.

Does this make sense?


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22379150 - 10/14/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yes


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22380251 - 10/14/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. However, how can we be sure that whatever is conscious is not also aware of being conscious? Awareness is a subjective phenomenon. Perhaps those "subconscious processes" are yet aware of existing; it is only from your level of awareness that they are "below".


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: Devizome]
    #22380625 - 10/14/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yes, I am quite open to that possibility.  It also seems to me that some processes that we would normally deem subconscious are actually available to our waking awareness, but it is very difficult to separate them out of the broader, what you might call 'noisy', field of perception -- yet they are there at all times, nonetheless.


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22380676 - 10/14/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh yes, I am quite open to that possibility.  It also seems to me that processes that we would normally deem subconscious are actually available to our waking awareness, but it is very difficult to separate them out of the broader, what you might call 'noisy', field of perception -- yet they are there at all times, nonetheless.




I wholeheartedly agree. In my perception, even the impossible visuals, geometric patterns, synesthasia, etc we experience in trips or deep meditative states, are actually always there. It's the tool, or mechanism, of lowering that "noise" volume that improves reception of the full transmission.


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22380687 - 10/14/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There seems to be such a thing as consciousness without awareness.  For example, subconscious processes are conscious, but we are not normally aware of them.  Normally when we use the term 'consciousness,' what we really mean is 'awareness.'  There is a subtle differentiation between the two, which are different by degrees.  Another example would be interacting with someone socially, and you're focused on something else, and a conversation takes place even though you're not exactly fully aware of it.  Happens to me all the time.  It was a conscious conversation, without full awareness.

Does this make sense?




Sure. I started to post about focus in relation but then lost focus, aka became confused. I originally thought focus was linked to awareness, e.g. one focuses one's attention on A, B, or C and thusly becomes aware of A, B, or C.

But then I started thinking about focus as selective. And many of the things my body is conscious of, yet I may not be aware of, are quite selective. As more oxygen is needed in my blood, more air is drawn in through my lungs. This is a focused attention and yet my awareness is not a requisite.

So perhaps the benefit of awareness, as defined here, is ultimately in it's lack of confines. It is not confined to a particular system, or focus.


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: Kickle]
    #22380843 - 10/14/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good awareness can focus on more things..so the compartments of consciousness can be revealed..but its not wise to attempt to be conscious of your internal organs unless you indeed are not only aware of how they work but honestly able and willing to control them..The reasons for some conscious and unconscious phenomena are like this..

If you have Christ in you than you can proceed to do anything!


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: Kickle]
    #22380885 - 10/14/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I wholeheartedly agree. In my perception, even the impossible visuals, geometric patterns, synesthasia, etc we experience in trips or deep meditative states, are actually always there. It's the tool, or mechanism, of lowering that "noise" volume that improves reception of the full transmission.




Well said.


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Sure. I started to post about focus in relation but then lost focus, aka became confused. I originally thought focus was linked to awareness, e.g. one focuses one's attention on A, B, or C and thusly becomes aware of A, B, or C.

But then I started thinking about focus as selective. And many of the things my body is conscious of, yet I may not be aware of, are quite selective. As more oxygen is needed in my blood, more air is drawn in through my lungs. This is a focused attention and yet my awareness is not a requisite.

So perhaps the benefit of awareness, as defined here, is ultimately in it's lack of confines. It is not confined to a particular system, or focus.




Very interesting and well put.


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22392563 - 10/17/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, it makes sense. I use the word Consciousness for different ways of categorizing. For example, a continuum of Collective Unconscious -> Personal Unconscious -> [Subconscious] -> Conscious -> Superconscious. The word Subconscious is in brackets because I see it as a linguistic tool rather than as something separate from the Unconscious when I talk with prospective hypnotherapy clients because too many people wrongly think that hypnosis will cause a loss of Consciousness so I don't use the word Un-conscious. Subconscious suggests a diminishment in the sharpness of ordinary Conscious experience, which it is (suppressing Beta waves and increasing Alpha and Theta waves), but it brings up all manner of suppressed-repressed emotionally-charged experiences from the Personal Unconscious.

I also have used the categories of Pre-Personal -> Personal -> Transpersonal when discussing chakras and Kabbalistic spheres with Pre-Conscious having to do with 1st and 2nd Freudian anal-genital dynamics and the Personal spheres including the Manipura/Hod-Netzach centers plus the Anahata/Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed centers, and everything above those centers being Transpersonal.


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Re: consciousness without awareness [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22392898 - 10/17/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the insightful response. :smile::thumbup:


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