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Sivarted
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
#22375340 - 10/13/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ghost0420 said: Fucking oath, what the hell is with the "harvest when veil breaks" shit? Is this outdated information? Let's get some more opinions up in the motherfucker!
Every thread ever on when to pick. How much more discussion do you want?
The claim is that mushrooms stop producing new actives when the veil breaks, so letting them grow past that point you're not adding potency, just weight. I don't know why, or where this info comes from, but that's the current wisdom, and if you want to try to refute that wisdom you'd need to do a lot of really controlled experimentation or have access to lab equipment that is able to determine such things.
Keep in mind that there's probably a whole lot of experimentation that has gone on before you, and that maybe you should actually grow your first mushroom before you start trying to out-think decades of growers.
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Inocuole
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
#22375342 - 10/13/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grow a sporeless variety or just... don't. No other cultivator of things waits past the time something is ready to satisfy their own egos.
If you do that with weed, tomatoes, apples, berries, or pretty much anything, it doesn't get continually bigger and better. Why would this be different?
You don't get a better steak the longer you cook it. It just makes a whole lot of sense to do things at the time they need doing.
For the record I don't think actives just STOP producing right when the veil breaks, that would be stupid, but I don't think they can keep up with expansion of the fruit anymore. It gets to a point where that energy would be better spent on a new mushroom that has a higher ratio of potency.
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Iwillnevertell
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375349 - 10/13/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are south american. I will judge the potency of these large fruits based on when the veil first broke after harvesting my first flush. Drying smaller fruits is easier, the dehydrator isnt overflowed and dont take as long to dry. But i will test the potency issue. I have a high tolerance, cause my serotonin levels are low, so i have to eat 7g dry just to start having low level visuals. I will do 7g of these large fruits and compare. The tek is just rye grain, cased with CVG in my GH. Some agar work before hand also.
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Inocuole
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Iwillnevertell]
#22375353 - 10/13/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool, let us know what you think.
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Ghost0420
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#22375359 - 10/13/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: Im with inoc, in my experience aborts/tiny fruits blew away larger fruits with the same weight.
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Ghost0420 said: How do you prevent that fuckery of a mess and produce largest possible fruits, at the same time?
you gotta sneak up on em before they 
And when do they
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
#22375372 - 10/13/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Starting when the veil breaks, up until the caps are flipped upside down on the edges and gills are on top of the mushroom, which I think looks nasty as hell btw.
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Ghost0420
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375391 - 10/13/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Surly harvest before that amount of spores are dispersed...
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Iwillnevertell
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375392 - 10/13/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea i would much rather have smaller fruits with more potency than larger with more weight. I was just shocked that after 2 days from veil breakage they grew that huge. It was not my intention but just surprised me is all cause i never grew any that big before.
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Ghost0420
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Iwillnevertell]
#22375411 - 10/13/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would want the biggest fuckers possible, but I guess that's just me.
Like the time I came across the giant sub in the first image in my signature, that was a good day 
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Inocuole
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Iwillnevertell]
#22375413 - 10/13/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try AA+. Great variety to grow monsters. And you don't really have to let them go that long.
    
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375442 - 10/13/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The pes AMAZON strain gets that big
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Ghost0420
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375447 - 10/13/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Albino A+ Holy fuck I did not know that strain can produce such monsters, what are the biggest strains out there?
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Iwillnevertell
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
#22375540 - 10/13/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow i might have to try that AA+ or amazon next time
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
#22375562 - 10/13/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ghost0420 said: How do you prevent that fuckery of a mess and produce largest possible fruits, at the same time?
You can remove some of the actively growing pins. People have used the method to create monster mushrooms as the extra nutrients are apparently diverted to the remaining growing pins. That's not to say it's an efficient way of growing.
Mushrooms grown in darkness have delayed spore production allowing you to grow them for longer but it also results in relatively tiny caps.
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Kizzle]
#22375856 - 10/13/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guys! This is a forum of peace... Instead of sending of bad energy to each other we should say thank you and learn from each other!
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Mark420]
#22375862 - 10/13/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science doesn't progress by saying thank you to everybody. Nobody tore anybody down, that was pretty tame discussion. I'll let you guess what kind of mind reads into debate about facts and sees animosity in it.
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Ghost0420
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376000 - 10/13/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376012 - 10/13/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to harvest when the time is right , I forgot about these and would not take anything for them I like to make orange juice smoothies with the accidental overly-ripe ones like these dried ones. Its ideal to harvest as the veil is breaking. I do think people are trying to add that extra bit of weight when they get like that. I do like a nice large print though, but that is a different story. My friends and I enjoyed some fresh smoothies that morning, come up fast with that OJ. Nice grow, BTW. They look terrific
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