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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375073 - 10/13/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You have all the opinions needed. Harvest before the veil breaks is the best way to harvest. If you don't agree let us know how it works out for you. :cheers:


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375106 - 10/13/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My turn.

1. Better potency by weight according to most anecdotal evidence (which is all we have)
2. Caps are less flat and less likely to break up into dust during storage, which can speed up oxidation depending on how they're stored.
3. No spores all over the substrate, potentially signalling it that it's been successful and doesn't need to produce anymore.
4. More energy for the substrate to produce more mushrooms
5. If you are taking a spore print, you want them picked before the majority of spores are already dropped, and likewise, before the majority of the spores are exposed to open air conditions.
6. They look better dried
7. They taste better when not covered in spores

I could go on, but I don't think I need to.




1. TC?
2. Handle with care, store properly
3. TC?
4. TC?
5. Take one specimen that has no dropped all it's spores only for a print?
6. I think giant shrooms look awesome dried
7. Wash the spores off

Please do go on, let's have a discussion about this :smile: Will be interesting.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22375114 - 10/13/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

add a little bit of seasoning to those flat head before drying... they make excellent chips  :fonda:


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375130 - 10/13/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, fine, dehydrator runs take less time because the fruit hasn't swollen up with pointless water weight.  NOT having to wash off fruits, which also increases drying time.  They store better because the caps are more dense than they are wide flat crispy pancakes, so you can fit more of them in a small space.

What is all this TC? TC? TC? stuff?  You're really asking for my information to be verified by a TC right now?  You need a TC to confirm that growing out mushrooms past their prime takes more energy than not doing that?  :facepalm:  You need a TC to confirm that a handful of small dense fruits is more potent than one huge hollow one covered in spores?  I said anecdotal.  That means no one can invalidate it without actual objective evidence.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22375139 - 10/13/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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1. Surely?  According to..?  If I go ahead and give you this one, assuming this one is correct, the actives production would still not be as much in ratio to the other weight it's putting on, due to the rate of cell expansion vs division at that stage of maturity.



Cell expansion is from an inflow of water. Most people dry their mushrooms though so any extra water weight is removed while any extra actives would not be.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: cArcace-x]
    #22375146 - 10/13/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Iwillnevertell said:





What strain? are they Texas?

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add a little bit of seasoning to those flat head before drying... they make excellent chips  :fonda:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22375155 - 10/13/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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1. Surely?  According to..?  If I go ahead and give you this one, assuming this one is correct, the actives production would still not be as much in ratio to the other weight it's putting on, due to the rate of cell expansion vs division at that stage of maturity.



Cell expansion is from an inflow of water. Most people dry their mushrooms though so any extra water weight is removed while any extra actives would not be.




If water weight were the only thing added, perhaps.  Large fruits do dry out to a little bit more than if they were picked earlier it seems like.  Every single time I've ever given anyone the choice between a large fruit and several small ones, they ALWAYS go for the small ones, and based on comparative doses I've done of overly mature large fruits vs lots of pins/aborts, I'm always blown away by the dose of smaller specimens.

I can't rule out expectations as playing a role but it's not farfetched that, based on the overall rate of expansion for cubes, which is about twice the size each day, it's quite logical that on the last day or two when it's expanding the most it ever has, that the actives content would have a hard time keeping up.  Experiences back this up.  I see the reasons to doubt it, but I don't see any reason to give them more weight, pun not intended.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375161 - 10/13/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay, fine, dehydrator runs take less time because the fruit hasn't swollen up with pointless water weight.  NOT having to wash off fruits, which also increases drying time.  They store better because the caps are more dense than they are wide flat crispy pancakes, so you can fit more of them in a small space.

What is all this TC? TC? TC? stuff?  You're really asking for my information to be verified by a TC right now?  You need a TC to confirm that growing out mushrooms past their prime takes more energy than not doing that?  :facepalm:  You need a TC to confirm that a handful of small dense fruits is more potent than one huge hollow one covered in spores?  I said anecdotal.  That means no one can invalidate it without actual objective evidence.




The other points you bring up are not a big deal.

The TC? is because you bring up very good points, they should be discussed!


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375199 - 10/13/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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1. Surely?  According to..?  If I go ahead and give you this one, assuming this one is correct, the actives production would still not be as much in ratio to the other weight it's putting on, due to the rate of cell expansion vs division at that stage of maturity.



Cell expansion is from an inflow of water. Most people dry their mushrooms though so any extra water weight is removed while any extra actives would not be.




If water weight were the only thing added, perhaps.  Large fruits do dry out to a little bit more than if they were picked earlier it seems like.  Every single time I've ever given anyone the choice between a large fruit and several small ones, they ALWAYS go for the small ones, and based on comparative doses I've done of overly mature large fruits vs lots of pins/aborts, I'm always blown away by the dose of smaller specimens.




That's because aborts and pins are most potent by weight.
Aborts you cant do anything about, but pins are a waste.

I think it's because the concentration in smaller mushrooms are more potent because there are more individual mushrooms, if you let them grow as big as possible I say that's most potency overall right there!


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: cArcace-x]
    #22375216 - 10/13/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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add a little bit of seasoning to those flat head before drying... they make excellent chips  :fonda:



Awesome idea!!  I'll be trying this out with my next batch! :rockon:


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22375237 - 10/13/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I still say let them grow as big as possible, how big do they get though, that is the question, OP, let those big fuckers grow as big as possible.

Infact, let all of your shrooms grow as big as possible, what tek is that BTW I would love to look into it.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375251 - 10/13/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I still say let them grow as big as possible, how big do they get though, that is the question, OP, let those big fuckers grow as big as possible.

Infact, let all of your shrooms grow as big as possible, what tek is that BTW I would love to look into it.




You know what, whatever, have fun.



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add a little bit of seasoning to those flat head before drying... they make excellent chips  :fonda:



Awesome idea!!  I'll be trying this out with my next batch! :rockon:




You're not serious are you?  I thought this was a joke.  There are better seasoned chips out there.  You've heard of potatoes or tortillas I take it?


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375254 - 10/13/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there is a limit..

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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375274 - 10/13/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Holy fuck oi, that's fucked ay...

Um, had larger mushrooms dropped their spores all over the smaller guys?


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375281 - 10/13/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, the air currents blacken everything with spores.  Everything.  Varieties like APE that don't drop spores get mushy and soft and start to rot instead of ever reaching that stage.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375294 - 10/13/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Air currents?

How did you clean up than mess, damn.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375302 - 10/13/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's not my mess, I typed "harvest too late" into the search engine and picked like, the first thread that I saw.  I've never had anything remotely that bad.


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22375321 - 10/13/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How do you prevent that fuckery of a mess and produce largest possible fruits, at the same time?


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375331 - 10/13/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What tek did OP use?


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Re: giant shrooms if not harvested. is this typical? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22375332 - 10/13/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Im with inoc, in my experience aborts/tiny fruits blew away larger fruits with the same weight.
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How do you prevent that fuckery of a mess and produce largest possible fruits, at the same time?



you gotta sneak up on em before they :stonedjerk:


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