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meltingmind
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Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic?
#22374061 - 10/13/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I recently finished growing my first batch from shrooms. Had 5 jars of grain and I made about 7 small tubs (http://puu.sh/kJePT/c45aa65993.jpg) and they mostly grew fine. All lost ultimately to trich, but got at least one flush of various sizes out of them.
The first trip I had was decent. No issues.
Two weekends ago, I took some which had been drying in front of a fan for a few days and munched them (the RH is generally quite high, so fan drying is a not a fast option). About an hour into it, I was overcome by nausea and had to puke - no biggie there, you might think, however it felt like I had been hit with some kind of bug or food poisoning.. I was shivering, feeling so toxic, vomiting didn't make a difference. It was a horrible experience. I have honestly not felt so bad in my life, from a nauseated point of view except for once when I severe influenza.
I have taken shrooms hundreds of times and experienced a little nausea maybe once or twice before, so this was very out of the ordinary.
I put this down to bad timing of shrooms and a stomach bug, as I had not been feeling to well leading up to the trip.
Last weekend, I decided to climb table mountain, and i had with me a different batch I'd grown in a different tub. I'd tried this up and ground it up and put into gelcaps. Had a whole bunch, and half way up the mountain the same symtoms hit me.. i could hardly walk. I would sit in places what felt like half an hour at a time, walk for 3 minutes and then have to sit down and puke again. I was sweating like mad.
On both occasions, the illness passed about 5 hours in and was able to enjoy the rest of the trip, and I got my energy back and a grin on my face and feel like 'normal'.
So I haven't heard of people getting sick like this..
Could it have been caused by improper growing or drying? There was definitely no mould on them.. I read somewhere that they can rot.. but after 3 or 4 days of drying slowly in front of a fan?
I am posting this in the cultivation section because I find it odd that I would experience this on shrooms grown by me. (Tho some were fine)
Thanks for any input!
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: meltingmind]
#22374092 - 10/13/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a very similar experience with poorly dried mushrooms. Can't say if there's any science behind it but I've been there man
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: meltingmind]
#22374101 - 10/13/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow ! Over my years of shitty growing I've never experienced this . I almost threw up every time , but I beleive that was my own fault . I've never heard of anyone having your symptoms ! Hope someone can help , it could just be the way your own body is reacting
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: ThatShroomer7]
#22374175 - 10/13/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot of times its hard for me to move around because of how weird my body feels but as for the sickness my guess is since you already knew(or thought you knew) you were sick it was probably subconsciously amplified due to your state of mind. Again just my 2¢
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#22374198 - 10/13/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stop thinking about the fact that you feel toxic on mushrooms and your brain won't make you feel nearly so toxic. Having cold shivers and stuff is pretty goddamn normal. You have to control your thoughts or you can make yourself feel any number of terrible ways. Think about laying on a bed of needles or microscopic insects devouring your internal organs and you can have just as bad a time.
People freak out and feel bad like that MOST often because they think they might have consumed something toxic, and their mushed out brain is willing to believe it.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22374253 - 10/13/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree, and its part of their defense and reason to give us these compounds. Maybe take a xanax? (not being sarcastic, but this or a little codeine helps me, also alcohol).
I found the extraction methods help also, prob psychological for me.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374279 - 10/13/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never had a bad experience personally. Been around a few folks that freaked out and thought they were dying on the same shrooms I ingested. Even when I've gotten an upset stomach, I'm just so happy that it's easy to push through the rumble tummy.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374285 - 10/13/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do like tea to help reduce nausea, tek on that in my sig.
But any thought on mushrooms can lead to feeling completely different. Eat a few grams and think to yourself a few times in a row "I don't want to die", and see how you feel over the next few minutes.
Protip: don't do that.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22374468 - 10/13/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha nice
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374497 - 10/13/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's no joke man, a panic attack by itself feels like dying but on psychs you will get sick as fuck, the adrenaline makes you trip harder too, but not in the fun way, more the "wtf is that supposed to happen??" kind of way.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22374566 - 10/13/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did I fuck your mom/dad or girl/boy friend or something.
It was a polite laugh like I like what you said.
I have often found universally a shot/2 can make it so you calm down, more can make ya do dumbass stuff.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374589 - 10/13/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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NO
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22374605 - 10/13/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
DrCrumbs said: Did I fuck your mom/dad or girl/boy friend or something.
It was a polite laugh like I like what you said.
Yeah I got that, and I was saying what I said as casually as possible, not in some tone that would insinuate you needed to go on the defensive so... if anyone overreacted to anything it weren't me.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375150 - 10/13/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nah like I said I have tripped hundreds of times, and these days 5-8g doses so I know the difference between what is in my head and physically feeling like death with projectile vomit. My mental state was not stressed, it was just disappointed coz of (another) shitty trip.
Glad somebody else had a similar experience at least!
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: meltingmind]
#22375177 - 10/13/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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solution: grow a different species.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#22375187 - 10/13/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or.. get a dehydrator if you think the drying was the issue. Making tea really does help. The fact that you can't even properly digest dried raw cubes probably doesn't help anything.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22375210 - 10/13/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Or.. get a dehydrator if you think the drying was the issue. Making tea really does help. The fact that you can't even properly digest dried raw cubes probably doesn't help anything.
yes. tea is amazing if you don't have a Kevlar stomach.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: meltingmind]
#22375440 - 10/13/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe if you're growing them in a mercury mine.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Kizzle]
#22375450 - 10/13/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's got tough times written all over it. The thought of what would drive a person to that level of desperation is jet fuel to my imagination's steel beams.
Whatever that means.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376334 - 10/13/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: It's no joke man, a panic attack by itself feels like dying but on psychs you will get sick as fuck, the adrenaline makes you trip harder too, but not in the fun way, more the "wtf is that supposed to happen??" kind of way.
I'm amused by how easily people misinterprut the tone of your posts. It's strange because you write in a very clear and precise manner...
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Kalistis]
#22376448 - 10/13/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems to happen to the blunt analytical type people a lot. 
I'm used to it by now, I get less and less worked up about it every time. It can suck but... people read things however they want to.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376462 - 10/13/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Back when my avatar was the scarface gif I really seemed to piss people off easy 
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376473 - 10/13/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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People don't like being wrong, and if they're being told they're wrong, they like hearing it from a big flush of mushrooms instead of something they can't understand or relate with.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376481 - 10/13/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: People don't like being wrong, and if they're being told they're wrong, they like hearing it from a big flush of mushrooms instead of something they can't understand or relate with. 
Well the g. neo-japoconium seems to be pretty non threatening for now
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22376700 - 10/14/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never participated in a forum like this before and while I'm accustomed to people not understanding my direct approach or humor, I'm struggling with conveying the cues online that are often conveyed through body language in normal conversations. My boyfriend warned me prior to participating that people might think I'm an arrogant bitch since I'm pretty ignorant to basic netiquette and will likely write posts more like formal correspondence. He was right. My words have been misinterpruted on a few occasions over the past month and twice now, the person that misunderstood me took my explain action and apology as an insult. Lol.
I totally get it now.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Kalistis]
#22376703 - 10/14/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just don't worry about it, if you're anything like the rest of us that happens to, you'll have less than 5% of bad interactions because of it and most people who pay attention will understand just fine. Can't please em all.
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Re: Can improper growing cause mushrooms to be toxic? [Re: Inocuole]
#22376705 - 10/14/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have to leave me something to do while I'm waiting for my agar to cool and PC cycle to finish!
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