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SaltyPeaks
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Psychedelics yummy said: salty dont even lie, you just trying to rack them posts up 
If I wanted more posts I woulda posted more over the last year and a half since joining. I am really actually interested in the topics I post about.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: Asante]
#22380558 - 10/14/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Herb is a very serious drug nowadays. It used to generally be a lot weaker, though bomb weed always existed, you smoked it and you basically giggled, daydreamed and munched, it was sold by the lid for cheap, now a gram is ten bucks plus and you get knocked the fuck out, couchlock, anqiety, turning ghost white, memory disruptions on the day after.
People were all about being connaisseurs and growing your own, now its grown by Big Crime and people are so desperate they scrape the tar from their pipe and re-smoke that if they run out.
That's a bit dramatic wouldn't you say?  Almost every other person I know grows weed, and I never even caught word at all of any criminal organizations gaining a major foothold in the business (in Oregon/legal)
And you can buy whatever strain you want with whatever realm of effects you want. It's fucking awesome and cheap
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: They don't but according to you they do. All I said was that you will definitely see things if you take enough benadryl. You said that makes it a Psychedelic.

Please tell me you're trolling. It hurts my heart to think there's really someone this stupid out in the world. Do they let you drive?
Psychedelic is a pretty imprecise term to begin with, and consequently there's no reason to expect that all people will agree on a single definition. You presumably have some definition for the term that you're working with (?) and some rationale for why certain things wouldn't meet it. IMO it's not stupid at all for someone else to have a different definition roughly in line with how some dictionary might define it, and apply this consistently (i.e. "Any drug that meets the criteria for membership in category C must then be a member of C.")
With marijuana, it's definitely not unheard of in published works for it to be described as a psychedelic (sometimes with the qualification that high doses are required). IMO debating whether certain things are or are not "psychedelics" is pretty pointless though, since there is no real agreement on what the criteria should be. Categories like "agonist of receptor XYZ" and so on are a lot more precise, and allow narrowing things down a lot more than vague terms like "psychedelic" or "psychoactive" do.
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: twighead]
#22380640 - 10/14/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Herb is a very serious drug nowadays. It used to generally be a lot weaker, though bomb weed always existed, you smoked it and you basically giggled, daydreamed and munched, it was sold by the lid for cheap, now a gram is ten bucks plus and you get knocked the fuck out, couchlock, anqiety, turning ghost white, memory disruptions on the day after.
People were all about being connaisseurs and growing your own, now its grown by Big Crime and people are so desperate they scrape the tar from their pipe and re-smoke that if they run out.
That's a bit dramatic wouldn't you say?  Almost every other person I know grows weed, and I never even caught word at all of any criminal organizations gaining a major foothold in the business (in Oregon/legal)
And you can buy whatever strain you want with whatever realm of effects you want. It's fucking awesome and cheap 
I agree that, if anything, the legalization has reduced crime by making it much more profitable to operate legally. I don't think legal bud is cheaper though, but if the prices drop like they did in Canada it will be . And of course growing it is cheaper than buying legal or on the street!
Do you think shrooms and LSD are on the same track to legalization in the future? I think there are many similarities between more taboo psychedelics and cannabis, yet it has managed to become wildy popular and accepted.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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SaltyPeaks
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: psi]
#22380655 - 10/14/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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psi said:
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: They don't but according to you they do. All I said was that you will definitely see things if you take enough benadryl. You said that makes it a Psychedelic.

Please tell me you're trolling. It hurts my heart to think there's really someone this stupid out in the world. Do they let you drive?
Psychedelic is a pretty imprecise term to begin with, and consequently there's no reason to expect that all people will agree on a single definition. You presumably have some definition for the term that you're working with (?) and some rationale for why certain things wouldn't meet it. IMO it's not stupid at all for someone else to have a different definition roughly in line with how some dictionary might define it, and apply this consistently (i.e. "Any drug that meets the criteria for membership in category C must then be a member of C.")
With marijuana, it's definitely not unheard of in published works for it to be described as a psychedelic (sometimes with the qualification that high doses are required). IMO debating whether certain things are or are not "psychedelics" is pretty pointless though, since there is no real agreement on what the criteria should be. Categories like "agonist of receptor XYZ" and so on are a lot more precise, and allow narrowing things down a lot more than vague terms like "psychedelic" or "psychoactive" do.
Couldn't of said it better, thank you.
My OP has really nothing to do with the definition or whether or not cannabis is a psych, I unfortunately got derailed and should of pushed harder to get back to my main points.
Anyway, if you haven't read the OP I kinda just ask what people think the reason for cannabis' much greater use/acceptance/popularity is than other psychs? I'm interested in your thoughts.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22380678 - 10/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have not yet read the OP but I will check it out.
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22380763 - 10/14/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: Anyway, if you haven't read the OP I kinda just ask what people think the reason for cannabis' much greater use/acceptance/popularity is than other psychs? I'm interested in your thoughts.
It's because the plant is so beneficial medicinally for a variety of causes...that's why even society at large thinks it should be legal at this point.
That's also how we need to promote the other substances for future legalization. It's not enough to say "it's my body, i can put what i want in it." We need to convince people that these drugs have positive benefits, and that's how you win people over.
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: psi]
#22380822 - 10/14/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: I started smoking weed 7 years ago, the first year and a half of smoking was only on the weekends, maybe twice in a weekend. Then there was a phase around 2 years that it was at least 2 times a weekend, then for about 3 months it was every damn day. This phase passed quickly and for about 3 years it was about 2-3 days a month, sometimes more, sometimes 1-2 months without smoking at all. Now this last year it was more like 2 times a month, and the last 4 months I haven't smoked once. In that time I smoked alone exactly 7 times, and even then I had my dog and was doing it instead of taking prescription narcotics for a surgery I had. Thinking back to all my times smoking, even that 3 month period of daily use, they were all pretty damn profound. I've had legit full blown visual hallucinations to real deep introspection, I've also had abdomen destroying laughter attacks and 4am $30 Taco Bell munchies. My question is how do you think that this obviously very strong and potent substance has slipped through into the mainstream well other psychedelics are so taboo still? Do you think it is OK that people treat it more like ibuprofen or cigs than as LSD? Also as kind of a side note what do you think about the rising popularity of ridiculously high THC content concentrates?
Now that I look back, I realize I did read it, but didn't have much to say in response to it at the time. I think some of the negative reactions may relate to people seeing it as an attack on marijuana and/or their own usage in some way. Aside from that, I would point out that alcohol is also very mainstream and very powerful in its own way. IME most people I knew who at one time used drugs similar to mushrooms now take them rarely if ever, myself included. Being confronted with the harsh realities you hide from yourself isn't always what you're going for. Marijuana can precipitate that kind of introspection too I find, or in heavy daily use it can kind of do the opposite and help you forget what you want to forget.
Experiences with the so-called "classic psychedelics" and drugs whose effects closely resemble them seem to be more difficult for many people to integrate into daily life vs marijuana. There are also people who, perhaps like yourself, are especially sensitive to marijuana, and some of them find it too intense and don't continue using it. It's not quite as common though I think, and your average member of the public is more likely to know a few regular weed smokers than they are to know a few regular users of mushrooms or whatever.
Knowing a few users of a drug who mostly seem to be otherwise well-adjusted in life goes a long way towards acceptance from non-users I think. Going back to alcohol, pretty much anyone knows a few people affected negatively by it, but a lot more people who drink every now and then and otherwise lead productive lives.
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Re: Why is weed taken so lightly? [Re: psi]
#22381324 - 10/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: I started smoking weed 7 years ago, the first year and a half of smoking was only on the weekends, maybe twice in a weekend. Then there was a phase around 2 years that it was at least 2 times a weekend, then for about 3 months it was every damn day. This phase passed quickly and for about 3 years it was about 2-3 days a month, sometimes more, sometimes 1-2 months without smoking at all. Now this last year it was more like 2 times a month, and the last 4 months I haven't smoked once. In that time I smoked alone exactly 7 times, and even then I had my dog and was doing it instead of taking prescription narcotics for a surgery I had. Thinking back to all my times smoking, even that 3 month period of daily use, they were all pretty damn profound. I've had legit full blown visual hallucinations to real deep introspection, I've also had abdomen destroying laughter attacks and 4am $30 Taco Bell munchies. My question is how do you think that this obviously very strong and potent substance has slipped through into the mainstream well other psychedelics are so taboo still? Do you think it is OK that people treat it more like ibuprofen or cigs than as LSD? Also as kind of a side note what do you think about the rising popularity of ridiculously high THC content concentrates?
Now that I look back, I realize I did read it, but didn't have much to say in response to it at the time. I think some of the negative reactions may relate to people seeing it as an attack on marijuana and/or their own usage in some way. Aside from that, I would point out that alcohol is also very mainstream and very powerful in its own way. IME most people I knew who at one time used drugs similar to mushrooms now take them rarely if ever, myself included. Being confronted with the harsh realities you hide from yourself isn't always what you're going for. Marijuana can precipitate that kind of introspection too I find, or in heavy daily use it can kind of do the opposite and help you forget what you want to forget.
Experiences with the so-called "classic psychedelics" and drugs whose effects closely resemble them seem to be more difficult for many people to integrate into daily life vs marijuana. There are also people who, perhaps like yourself, are especially sensitive to marijuana, and some of them find it too intense and don't continue using it. It's not quite as common though I think, and your average member of the public is more likely to know a few regular weed smokers than they are to know a few regular users of mushrooms or whatever.
Knowing a few users of a drug who mostly seem to be otherwise well-adjusted in life goes a long way towards acceptance from non-users I think. Going back to alcohol, pretty much anyone knows a few people affected negatively by it, but a lot more people who drink every now and then and otherwise lead productive lives.
Thanks for the in depth response. I really like the point that cannabis highs and the experiences you have from it are more easily integrated. I've had similar degrees of hallucinations from cannabis, obviously high doses, as low to medium doses of shrooms. That said the base line I return to after smoking weed is pretty much unchanged, not so for shrooms. This changing of the sober mind could definitely turn people off, even if it is for the better change in anyway is usually resisted at first.
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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