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First grow.....Got my fingers crossed!
    #22372088 - 10/13/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Last night i inoculated my 5 first jars - 4 of them wide mouth and 1 regular jar. I hope that it will work out and all jars will not be contaminated, because i dont have PC and i used regular pot and sterilized jars for 1h. Another problem that i encountered is all the home depos sell only fine perlite which will most likely will  spill out from my sgfc, any coments on this one? Sorry if my eng is bad :laugh:.
I will post some pics when my B+ will start to colonize.

Cheers to everyone! And wish me some luck.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372101 - 10/13/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've just done my first also. Used a SGFC. I've got 2 mushrooms growing an pinheads starting to pop up everywhere. I did 8 jars 6 made it with no contams. got 4 different strains. B+ ,Golden teacher, Costal Treasure, and Pink Buffalo. So Excited , Their all looking great and I should be able to do my first harvest in the next week.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372117 - 10/13/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What up. You should have steamed for at least 90 minutes not 60.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372118 - 10/13/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds gr8 man. Did u used PC? or regular pot? What tek you are using?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372120 - 10/13/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What up. You should have steamed for at least 90 minutes not 60.




I hope that at least one jar goes trough since i dont want to wait for new prints to arrive.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372129 - 10/13/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't really use any one tek. Just researched everything for a couple weeks and put all my knowledge together. Pressure cooker. If you ever have any questions just hit me up.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372130 - 10/13/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We will see....

The perlite should be ok...once you get it all in there it doesn't really fall through the holes.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372135 - 10/13/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Biggest thing is just be patent an try not to mess with them that much.
An keep the jars as close as you can to about 80-85 degrees. It will make the process go faster


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372141 - 10/13/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sit them on a shelf at room temp.....


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372148 - 10/13/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I really suggest a pressure cooker. They are cheap like 30 bucks on amazon. I did brf with steam/boil for 2 hours and failed. Not too sure why. Switched to pressure cooker and grain and so far so good should be fully colonized in a week or so.
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Biggest thing is just be patent an try not to mess with them that much.
An keep the jars as close as you can to about 80-85 degrees. It will make the process go faster




Typically room temp is fine 70-77 because insides are a bit warmer

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Sit them on a shelf at room temp.....



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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372154 - 10/13/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Biggest thing is just be patent an try not to mess with them that much.
An keep the jars as close as you can to about 80-85 degrees. It will make the process go faster




Jars sit in box that have constant 83 degrees. After colonization will start i plan to get them out so they get some light and also then im going to take off foil from lids...should i even take foil off? Cuz contaminants can get inside jar trough 4 holes in lid!!!


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372157 - 10/13/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you have the dry verm layer take the foil off and don't worry so much about the temp. Higher temps just promote more bacteria growth anyways.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372162 - 10/13/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Best to leave foil on. Also make sure you put about an inch of just vermiculite at the top of the jar. The vermiculite will also help keep contemns out.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372163 - 10/13/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you have the dry verm layer take the foil off and don't worry so much about the temp. Higher temps just promote more bacteria growth anyways.



But doesnt jars colonize slower in lower temperatures?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372167 - 10/13/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Telling you high temps helps the process. I split my 8 jars in four an four. keep first batch at about 82 an the second at about 74 the 74 jars took about a week an half longer to colonize.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372168 - 10/13/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Winging it on your first grow, is the best way to get success ........on your second grow. :wink:
I usually do  90 minutes in a pc.
60 minutes without a pc. Isn't quite long enough. I've  read teks  where people will go 2 hrs. In a steam pot.
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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: mygrowscope]
    #22372178 - 10/13/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

also the 2 contaminations came from the jars at the 74 degree area.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372181 - 10/13/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Best to leave foil on.



Are you a troll??


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372206 - 10/13/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Let me go look in the mirror. Nope. Just someone excited about doing his first grow an willing to help where I can. Why would you ask that?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372218 - 10/13/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did watch the hacker wars last night though. Has what I guess would be the biggest troll ever. Weev. It was an ok documentary.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372229 - 10/13/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I did watch the hacker wars last night though. Has what I guess would be the biggest troll ever. Weev. It was an ok documentary.




Dont trash my thread!


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22372244 - 10/13/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I ask because most of the advice you are giving is wrong.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372280 - 10/13/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok man, Your just looking to argue I think. The only advise I put out their was that it colonized faster at the 82 temp vs the 74.Not something I read that was from my grow. The vermiculite at the top and the foil should be common knowledge around here. Like the man asked. Lets not trash his thread. Just pm If you really feel you have something more to say. please.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372302 - 10/13/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol no man I'm not trying to argue, just trying to correct misinformation. Take the foil off OP you don't want foil on if you have the dry verm layer trust me.

1. Condensation will form under the foil and drop down the holes into your jars making your dry verm layer useless.

2. The foil will hinder good GE.

Seriously I'm not making shit up :lol:


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372348 - 10/13/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What I did was put tape over the holes. then the foil over the tape. PC'd. then removed the tape after the pc was done. put foil back over the top after the pc was finished.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372430 - 10/13/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I did was put tape over the holes. then the foil over the tape. PC'd. then removed the tape after the pc was done. put foil back over the top after the pc was finished.




You can search the thread about the foil.. for cakes the dry vermaculite is fine like stated. I'm new but already know this from reading.  Holes with micros pore tape is fine but I used polyfill because we'll it's fluffy and wife wanted to make a pillow.

82 degrees means it'll be what like 86 or something inside which means higher contam rate. Might colonize faster not sure but the risk vs reward isn't worth so people strongly suggest the 70s range. Or people often say if it's comfortable for you it's comfortable for it.

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Lol no man I'm not trying to argue, just trying to correct misinformation. Take the foil off OP you don't want foil on if you have the dry verm layer trust me.

1. Condensation will form under the foil and drop down the holes into your jars making your dry verm layer useless.

2. The foil will hinder good GE.

Seriously I'm not making shit up :lol:




Listen to this guy. Look at teks, read read.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: SniK LM]
    #22372438 - 10/13/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I did was put tape over the holes. then the foil over the tape. PC'd. then removed the tape after the pc was done. put foil back over the top after the pc was finished.



You have it backwards. If you have tape you can just inoculate right through it and leave the foil off. The dry verm is your main barrier.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22388405 - 10/16/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Checked my jars today got some good looking white spots on them...will post pictures tomorrow!


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22388483 - 10/16/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:standingby:


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    #22388488 - 10/16/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:standingby:




What does that mean :laugh:


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    #22388610 - 10/16/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Means I'm waiting for those sweet pics. :rockon:


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    #22391850 - 10/17/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quality of first pic suck big dick but here it is....
Big jar


4 smaller jars


SGFC...i hope that there arent too much holes


I ordered spore print but instead they sent me spore syringe




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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22391967 - 10/17/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like you're setup for success. SGFC looks right. :rockon:


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    #22392034 - 10/17/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Those are gonna be some large cakes! Might take a little while longer to fully colonize plus the consolidation period. That's why most people like using the half pint wide mouth jars.


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    #22392048 - 10/17/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

After i already made FC i discovered that there are other options like monotub which would be much better...but still i will go with SGFC for my first grow


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    #22392053 - 10/17/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are gonna be some large cakes! Might take a little while longer to fully colonize plus the consolidation period. That's why most people like using the half pint wide mouth jars.




Yeah i figured that! Big jar is 500ml and 4 smaller ones are 310ml. How long it takes for half pint (without consolidation period) ?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22392099 - 10/17/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are gonna be some large cakes! Might take a little while longer to fully colonize plus the consolidation period. That's why most people like using the half pint wide mouth jars.




Yeah i figured that! Big jar is 500ml and 4 smaller ones are 310ml. How long it takes for half pint (without consolidation period) ?



For me, I had a half pint wide mouth jar fully colonized in about 16 days from an MS inoculation.

Of course, it'll depend mostly on genetics and how well you prepped your substrate( it has to be light and airy for mycelium to easily colonize it). Never pack down the mix.

Those big jars you're using tend to make the brf mix very compacted as the weight of the mix on top pushes down on the mix at the bottom of the jar, increasing the colonization times by a good amount.


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    #22392319 - 10/17/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are gonna be some large cakes! Might take a little while longer to fully colonize plus the consolidation period. That's why most people like using the half pint wide mouth jars.




Yeah i figured that! Big jar is 500ml and 4 smaller ones are 310ml. How long it takes for half pint (without consolidation period) ?



For me, I had a half pint wide mouth jar fully colonized in about 16 days from an MS inoculation.

Of course, it'll depend mostly on genetics and how well you prepped your substrate( it has to be light and airy for mycelium to easily colonize it). Never pack down the mix.

Those big jars you're using tend to make the brf mix very compacted as the weight of the mix on top pushes down on the mix at the bottom of the jar, increasing the colonization times by a good amount.




I will try to get some new jars for second grow then if these will take long


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22392325 - 10/17/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I will try to get some new jars for second grow then if these will take long




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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22392333 - 10/17/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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SGFC...i hope that there arent too much holes




Not too many holes but those holes are larger than 1/4".


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    #22392356 - 10/17/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I will try to get some new jars for second grow then if these will take long






:super:



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Not too many holes but those holes are larger than 1/4".



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    #22392625 - 10/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The holes are 5-6 mm i made them with soldering machine or whatever you call it. didnt have drill....and didnt want to buy one just for one shfc. But mine SGFC theoretically will work right? Just be honest dont want to mess up this. And i like honest people and love when people say whats on their mind. Criticism is welcomed on this thread!


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22392660 - 10/17/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say you'll be okay, larger holes might mean that your cakes dry out a touch faster, so make sure you put in 4-5" perlite, and keep an eye on moisture levels


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    #22392705 - 10/17/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You'll definitely be misting a lot more often. Like Shroomspective said, keep an eye on them! :thumbup:


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    #22393915 - 10/17/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can maybe put some tape on some of the holes to keep humidity right?


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    #22394119 - 10/17/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could, but there wouldn't be consistent air exchange throughout the entire tub. Some cakes might get more than others. You'll need to keep a close eye on it tho.

Either way, you'll need to keep up with the misting schedule to support the growth of pins.

Or you could save yourself the stress of having to babysit your cakes, and build a new SGFC to specifics. It's up to you.


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    #22396289 - 10/18/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

im startingto think that i might build new one instead on babysitting it, because i have really tight job schedule and im not home most of the time.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22396431 - 10/18/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's what I would do. :thumbup:


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    #22396522 - 10/18/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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im startingto think that i might build new one instead on babysitting it, because i have really tight job schedule and im not home most of the time.




I kinda did the same thing but with a SAB. I didn't use a hot knife or something and I cracked it trying to cut arm holes. So I use it to put my jars in and put a tiny space heater under it while I keep it elivated. So the tub constantly stays 70-77. My house gets very cold this time of year.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22396790 - 10/18/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd still give that sgfc a go...if the holes are 5-6mm diameter that's .196 - .23". So they are only a little on the small side. I think you're going to be fine. A properly constructed sgfc shouldn't need that much babysitting and yours is very close to spec.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: psilobob]
    #22396803 - 10/18/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'll bet ya that SGFC works excellent...the holes are a touch big...but the wider spacing between them counterbalances that...


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    #22396826 - 10/18/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, need more coffee....maths not quite 100% yet today :gome:


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    #22396893 - 10/18/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Colonizing is going pretty fast and there is no contamination....can it show up later?
Ok i will go with this sgfc and if it will get dry a lot i will make new one or ask my GF to mist while i work.


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    #22396920 - 10/18/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't skimp on the perlite.


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    #22397691 - 10/18/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't skimp on the perlite.




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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22397720 - 10/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't skimp on the perlite.




I got two 5l buckets with perlite im going to get another one



Do you plan to soak your perlite or just wash it off, then throw it in your SGFC.

I haven't used perlite in awhile, I'm wondering how people prep theirs nowadays.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22398444 - 10/18/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually i have no idea, because this is my first grow. I was thinking to just run water trough it in washer...i didnt know that you can soak it. Are there even right way on doing that. As far as i understand its impossible to use too much water....that is unless you just float your brf cakes in plain water.


And also i wanted to know would it be possible to spawn the biggest jar that i have in some kinda foil tray because it will most likely be imposible to get cake out of that jar....???


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22398698 - 10/18/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually i have no idea, because this is my first grow. I was thinking to just run water trough it in washer...i didnt know that you can soak it. Are there even right way on doing that. As far as i understand its impossible to use too much water....that is unless you just float your brf cakes in plain water.



Now that I think about it, it wasn't the perlite that was the problem, it was the hole spacing on my SGFG that caused it to dry out soo quickly. :foreheadslap:

A quick rinse should be sufficient at hydrating it fully, as demonstrated in one of RR's videos on the pf tek.



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And also i wanted to know would it be possible to spawn the biggest jar that i have in some kinda foil tray because it will most likely be imposible to get cake out of that jar....???



How big is the jar? Just whack it against a bike tire until it comes loose. Be careful not to crack the jar.

You can spawn it to a foil tray with some coir/verm, if that's what you want to do after it's birthed. Or just fruit it as a large cake. It's up to you.

Lots of people go from brf cakes>bulk substrate and have great results. Make sure to use a cheese grater to shred your cakes. This will increase inoculation points in the substrate and result in much faster colonization.


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    #22403351 - 10/19/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Big jar is 500ml and its colonizing even faster that 2 of smaller jars. And the other 2 small jars goes even faster....Can i just spawn big jar in some kind of garden mix soil that is available to buy at home depo?


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    #22403364 - 10/19/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh and i bought hygrometer today.... analogue.. I will test it if it even shows 100% humidity with wet towel...if not ill take it apart and try to bend the pointer so it shows 100


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    #22408986 - 10/20/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

1 jar started to show colonization at the bottom of jar...pisc will fallow soon of the progress....Hygrometer  works fine it shows 100% humidity with no problem


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    #22412510 - 10/21/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Update!!!


These two colonize faster than the other two (bottom of jars have started to colonize)



And the big jar





There is one strange thing tho...and its happening with big jar. I dont know if its possible to see in pictures but it seems that the top layer which is meant to serve as filter have started to colonize too.



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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22412592 - 10/21/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22412671 - 10/21/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is it supposed to colonize so close to the top near the dry verm?


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    #22412685 - 10/21/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know I've only done cakes twice and in the right size jars. Maybe the verm got wet? Still the myc wouldn't really colonize it verm doesn't provide nutrition.

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    #22412720 - 10/21/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know I've only done cakes twice and in the right size jars. Maybe the verm got wet? Still the myc wouldn't really colonize it verm doesn't provide nutrition.

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    #22412726 - 10/21/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe because that lid on jar is old as shit and it doesnt seal properly


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That would get it wet yeah lol


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    #22434609 - 10/26/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How long should i keep the cakes in jars after they are fully colonized...i mean how long is consolidation process?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22434623 - 10/26/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

1 week minimum... but I've been leaning towards 2 weeks being better after listening to pasty talk about it.


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    #22434659 - 10/26/15 03:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There is one strange thing tho...and its happening with big jar. I dont know if its possible to see in pictures but it seems that the top layer which is meant to serve as filter have started to colonize too.





Had p. much the same problem. Some cakes kinda colonized vermiculite but not really, it looked only like some kind of mycelium roots, not true colonization (since verm has no nutrition, as said above). So anyway, the shit grew through entire verm layer, so I added more verm (out of the package which was opened weeks ago). Worked for me, though later when you dunk the cakes that had verm layer "colonized", wash the verm layer with the "roots", since they have no use IMO. Oh, and, the cakes that had this were birthed and were just fine.

In other words - that's no problem. I think you don't even have to add more verm, let them grow out of the jar, which for BRF cakes should be opened.

The reason of this I think is it's too wet, lack of FAE or something like that, wet verm layer, because if they don't want to colonize lower side of cakes, they're probably too wet down there. I think to prevent this there are two ways: drier cakes in the first place/inoculate lower if possible.

Oh, and, I'm new at this so I might be wrong, everything what I wrote is out of my mind, empirical implications.

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    #22435049 - 10/26/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There is one strange thing tho...and its happening with big jar. I dont know if its possible to see in pictures but it seems that the top layer which is meant to serve as filter have started to colonize too.





Had p. much the same problem. Some cakes kinda colonized vermiculite but not really, it looked only like some kind of mycelium roots, not true colonization (since verm has no nutrition, as said above). So anyway, the shit grew through entire verm layer, so I added more verm (out of the package which was opened weeks ago). Worked for me, though later when you dunk the cakes that had verm layer "colonized", wash the verm layer with the "roots", since they have no use IMO. Oh, and, the cakes that had this were birthed and were just fine.

In other words - that's no problem. I think you don't even have to add more verm, let them grow out of the jar, which for BRF cakes should be opened.

The reason of this I think is it's too wet, lack of FAE or something like that, wet verm layer, because if they don't want to colonize lower side of cakes, they're probably too wet down there. I think to prevent this there are two ways: drier cakes in the first place/inoculate lower if possible.

Oh, and, I'm new at this so I might be wrong, everything what I wrote is out of my mind, empirical implications.

Best of luck with your shrooms! :yesnod:



there is no need/reason to add more verm to a colonizing PF cake its fine/normal for some of the verm filter to get colonized just rinse it off when you birth IMO colonization of the dry verm layer is indication of a strong culture


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: tetherface]
    #22435061 - 10/26/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A colonized dry verm layer is probably a better filter than an uncolonized one, all things considered.


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    #22435978 - 10/26/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I couldnt really get my phone cam on focus but here are few new pictures....
Its day 13 today since i inoculated them...
















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    #22443500 - 10/28/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have strong feeling that one of the jars may be contaminated :sad:


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    #22443543 - 10/28/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So far things look good :greatjob:

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    #22443589 - 10/28/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

your not gonna be able to get the big cake outta that jar because of its tapered neck which is why you never see people use the regular pint and quart jars for pf tek. what are your plans for this? It seems to me your best choice would be to break it up with a fork(small as you can) and spawn it to a bulk tray of sorts do you have access to coir in your region?


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    #22443989 - 10/28/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I know about that big jar.. if you would read trough this thread you would know that... because i already asked questions on how should i spawn it....and i havent seen coir here...but also i havent looked for it. Could i just spawn it in those substrate mixes that are used for indoor flowers??? I could mix it with straw or smth IDK... any suggestions!!!!

Im not sure about that contamination....i have to wait 2 or 3 days to see if its not only like darker verm spot behind mycelium....


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    #22444118 - 10/28/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I know about that big jar.. if you would read trough this thread you would know that... because i already asked questions on how should i spawn it....and i havent seen coir here...but also i havent looked for it. Could i just spawn it in those substrate mixes that are used for indoor flowers??? I could mix it with straw or smth IDK... any suggestions!!!!

Im not sure about that contamination....i have to wait 2 or 3 days to see if its not only like darker verm spot behind mycelium....



I did read the whole thing and all I saw was "hit it on a tire till it breaks up"which would work if it was grain but that's not how its done with a PF type mix that's why I said it and you can spawn it to any bulk sub material flower mix isn't a good choice BTW look for a grow shop or a pet store coir is cheap and the easiest thing to use by far its sold as reptile bedding at the pet store
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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: tetherface]
    #22447048 - 10/28/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i will check if they have coir and i will use that if they have any...and yeah i can get straw easy and for free just need to go back to town where i used to live and ask for it to my friend :smile:

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    #22447054 - 10/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just verm and coir, gypsum is good for any bulk substrate if you can get that.


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    #22447148 - 10/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: It adds some nutes and helps fluff up the bulk sub, making it easier for the mycelium to colonize it.


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    #22448284 - 10/29/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Are there any gypsum substitute?

day 16

1 jar is fully colonized
3 jars will be most likely tomorrow.
And big jar has to go at least week i think maybe 4-5 days

These smaller jars that i have colonize pretty fast despite fact that they are 310ml.

And that wasnt contamination that i spotted earlier just a bit darker mycelium ... im just paranoid because i didnt use PC.

So far my first grow goes well!!!
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    #22453474 - 10/30/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Checked out pet store and they didnt have coco coir but smth like this ....straw/grass stuff

So looks like i have to think about other option for spawning big jar!



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    #22453582 - 10/30/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's timothy hay!! :lol:  You need wheat straw.


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    #22453615 - 10/30/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i know! that was the only thing they got thats why i didnt buy anything...im just trying to figure out how to spawn it


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    #22453879 - 10/30/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think that home depo that is near my home may have coir bricks i will go and check it out after my job tomorrow.

And i made test ...i put perlite in my sgfc to see how long humidity stays there before i have to spray it... will see how this turns out.


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    #22479689 - 11/05/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

got coir brick so i can spawn now brf....and also i checked syringe that i used and it looked like it still have some spores that why i sucked up some more water in that used syringe and made like really small brf cake and inoculated it....i will try to make slurry from it....its already colonizing by the way.......


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    #22505407 - 11/10/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i cant wait when my brf cakes will be ready...what if i put them sooner in sgfc and i dont wait as long for consolidation...??? the pins will appear later or what...

i also made mini mono tub.. its shotgun style 21 litre tub....as i wrote before i will attempt to make slurry and inoculate 3 popcorn jars with it and if it works out i will spawn it in mini mono...i will do this tomorrow i will post pictures trough out whole process


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22505417 - 11/10/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I will repeat and say do not stray from the recommend Tek steps!

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    #22513538 - 11/12/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I actually didnt have really much time so i didnt take pics of making slurry but i did it. I inoculated 4 half liter jars and one 310ml jar with corn....i hope that they aint going to be to wet cuz small jar and one of half liter jars looked pretty wet.

I also put my brf cakes in sgfc about 10 mins ago... i dunked them for 24h and rolled them in verm. How long should it take for them to start pining?


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22537301 - 11/17/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Can brf cakes get little bluish if i spray them when i spray verm?

Im starting to think its mold...scarry shit


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    #22537475 - 11/17/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Can brf cakes get little bluish if i spray them when i spray verm?

Im starting to think its mold...scarry shit




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    #22537559 - 11/17/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Post a pic for the best responses. Cakes blue....

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    #22540224 - 11/18/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OK now i think that i still might be okay. its like day 3 in sgfc for them and humidity is big problem at the moment because air is really dry in my house ....
I came up with idea how to protect brf cakes -  i just took plastic bottle big enough to cover the cake and  i cut it in half and i put half of the bottle over brf when i spray


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22540236 - 11/18/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Why? You need to spray directly. I fine mister works best...it won't bruise near as much as with squirt bottles. Not misting the actual cakes makes misting pointless. Misting more doesn't increase humidity either. Try adding more perlite and making sure your FAE is adequate.


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    #22540341 - 11/18/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm likely too late making this suggestion for the big regular mouthed jar but my first thought would have been to simply break the jar in order to birth it rather than using the cake as spawn.


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    #22541611 - 11/18/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm likely too late making this suggestion for the big regular mouthed jar but my first thought would have been to simply break the jar in order to birth it rather than using the cake as spawn.




Nop your not too late cake was going really fast and suddenly colonization stoped for few days and now its going really slow but it should be done soon


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    #22541804 - 11/18/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Why? You need to spray directly. I fine mister works best...it won't bruise near as much as with squirt bottles. Not misting the actual cakes makes misting pointless. Misting more doesn't increase humidity either. Try adding more perlite and making sure your FAE is adequate.




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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22563270 - 11/23/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Last night i saw only one mushroom on one cake but today they look like this...oh and one cake only got one really small mushroom that i didnt take picture of....sorry for quality i edited pictures with my galaxy in some paint like program and now there are white edges...and also my hands are shaking constantly thats why i would be bad photographer

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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22563463 - 11/23/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What are those cakes sitting on?  Looks like a big block of mold in the pictures.  Also how are you cropping those images?  Wheres all that white coming from?  MS paint?


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    #22563836 - 11/23/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry :smile: for quality im going to take new pics and put them straight here without editing.... and thats nou mold its shadow from jarlids they sit on them and there also are some verm that have fell off


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22563952 - 11/23/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This is what came out from slurry tek



These 3 ones seems to go a bit faster than the 4th one



I also made one 310ml jar with this tek for g2g... results are obvious...goes a lot faster than 4 big jars





And this is just for fun!!!! I may actually birth it like small cake in tiny bottle

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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22564288 - 11/23/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, what are the jar lids on top of?  That's the part that looks like mold.


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22564385 - 11/23/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There are no mold you will see in next pictures. Just crappy light and verm


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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22564566 - 11/23/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I told ya.....





The small one




Biggest one



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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Murdoc]
    #22566522 - 11/24/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Last night i saw only one mushroom on one cake but today they look like this...oh and one cake only got one really small mushroom that i didnt take picture of....sorry for quality i edited pictures with my galaxy in some paint like program and now there are white edges...and also my hands are shaking constantly thats why i would be bad photographer





Well I wouldn't give up my day job for photography if I were you.

So now comes the hard part, patience. Your cakes are fruiting so your FC must be working. Give them time, together with regular misting, and fanning. Monitor their moisture content and if they appear to wet stop misting and/or increase the FAE. Too dry and you can re-wet the perlite and/or do a mini dunk. My cakes also started with just a few fruits until they suddenly went crazy pinning and fruiting in about the end of their 2nd week in the FC.

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Re: First grow.....Got my fingers crossed! [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22568110 - 11/24/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Today they got even more pins and that one big mushroom is really skinny and getting longer by the minutes


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    #22568734 - 11/24/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I feel that they aint going to be even medium size but all will be small size...i hope not...but it shouldnt actually matter if i have one big or bunch of small ones they produce the same effects because average chemical content doesnt change right????


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    #22573005 - 11/25/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Some of them are getting fatter... i think they need more water because after i sprayed them more they got fatter




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    #22573582 - 11/25/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well you finally answered my question in another thread, when someone else asked, so now I know that that is perlite, not mold, or salt, or whatever else.  That perlite is probably too fine to be effective though.


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    #22573711 - 11/25/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Most likely thats why i have made corn jars


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    #22573722 - 11/25/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22573733 - 11/25/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Most likely thats why i have made corn jars



You shoulda went with WBS, the prep is a lot easier.




Yeah uh, corn?  What kind of corn are we talking?  Like deer corn?  And why not WBS or rye or oats?


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    #22573857 - 11/25/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

just corn from wallmart...that is used for popcorn...and it was easier to get than oats...oats are next on my list.....and only wbs that i found came with sunflower seeds in them so i didnt get em....or they are good too?


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    #22573885 - 11/25/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sunflower seeds by themselves are probably slightly better than corn.  WBS is easier to have success with than corn almost no matter what they include in it.  Popcorn is one thing, but regular old corn tends to get really sticky and starchy.

How much sunflower seeds are we talking?  As much as 20-30% is probably fine, but beyond that it might become a pain.


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    #22576711 - 11/26/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Its no more than 20 i think. So should i try it next then?


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    #22594422 - 11/30/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I gave some shroom tea to my wife.. and took some myself....
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    #22637354 - 12/10/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Last mushrooms from my pf tek....





And i made this..... should i put it in fc already? And dont ask about verm layer i dont know why i put it ower the substrate.



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    #22743817 - 01/06/16 12:19 PM (8 years, 25 days ago)

My 26l monotub is 13 days in trash bag and i can see only small mycelium spot on top of substrate...why the hell its taking so long? I used 4 qwarts of spawn....Could it be because of popcorn? I actually dont read teks and stuff i just improvise and it usually turns out good....and When i compare my monotub to other tray thats consists of 1 qwart brf and coir/verm/coffee (the tray may be like half the size of mono) it will be raeady to go in fc this night or tomorow....so brf is way faster than corn...

I havent done monotubs but should i try to shock it to induce pining...what i met was cold enviroment for few hours...and if yes how cold...


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    #22743826 - 01/06/16 12:21 PM (8 years, 25 days ago)

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monotub is 13 days in trash bag and i can see only small mycelium spot on top of substrate...why the hell its taking so long?




you answered your own question.....

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    #22744775 - 01/06/16 04:01 PM (8 years, 25 days ago)

BRF is.. not faster than popcorn.  Get clean spawn and try again.


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    #22769872 - 01/12/16 11:57 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Top layer becoming white pretty slow but it should be ready soon... should i use temperature shock to induce pining? Because its colonizinig at the same temperature as fruiting temperature


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    #22829523 - 01/27/16 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 days ago)

I figured out whats wrong.... they too dry. Just finished 9 jars with corn.... for 6 i will use g2g and rest will get good old squirt with spore solution.  Should i spray mono before i put it in fruiting conditions??


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