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my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC )
    #22371782 - 10/13/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

my first attempt at fruiting. used wild bird seed , pasturized and pressure cooked. some of the cakes are 125ml cakes , other are 250ml and that little plastic dish I broke up about 500-600ml of wbs spawn and put a very loose layer of coco coir on it also for giggles, that tiny little jar there that im gonna attempt to fruit in vitro. ill have a few questions I will post below the pictures I could use some help thanks guys yall are great <3







as far as the health of my cakes go ( is the one that is not completely taken over on the top going to be okay ?
also ive only been able to keep it just above 60F will it even pin at this temp ? im using a small thin flourecent tube as light
how long should pins take to show might one rekon ?

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371812 - 10/13/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't like to say, but I don't think you are going to get results trying to fruit WBS cakes, as they need some kind of casing layer. Also is that green in the picture or blue?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Shroomspective]
    #22371828 - 10/13/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

blue bruising , really ? I thought people can still fruit them PF style ask cakes ?

also how will the mycelium do at 60F ish and how can I make pins form


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371841 - 10/13/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

could I perhaps use an air pump with an airstone going into a cup of water in my chamber to give off extra humidity/less maintaining ? ( sometimes ill be running home in a panic to mist them )


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371851 - 10/13/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think the main issue is with getting enough moisture inside the cake. There is a previous post about fruiting in the jar with a small casing layer, perhaps you could try that

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13193569


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Shroomspective]
    #22371858 - 10/13/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

should I dunk my cakes ? im gonna be re using my jars shortly . thanks again much appreciated ( do my cakes look too dry ? )


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371874 - 10/13/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is this a "kit" you purchased?

The foil all the cakes are on is way too big. You want the humidity from the perlite to rise up the cake not around it like what's happening now.

They definitely don't look too dry they look super wet.

Don't use an air pump. They have no place in in mycology.

The cake is bruising blue most likely from too heavy of misting. Via the mist is not fine enough. Huge water droplets are beating up your poor cakes.

Fruiting temp is 75 degrees. 60 degrees and lower will drastically slow down your process and can even stall them from fruiting completely.

What tek are you following?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22371878 - 10/13/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No kit no specific tek , wingin it . ah I was almost afraid that was contamination so I guess don't mist them directly but rather indirectly into the pearlite ? ill go wipe them off now, also remove the tinfoil ?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371881 - 10/13/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

now that I think of it im just doing a few jars of WBS fruiting them PF style , the one in the container im casing with coco coir. farting around while I wait for more spawn. :laugh:


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371909 - 10/13/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Right now keeping the lid open and fanning it to take water off that is on cakes , but keeping pearlite misted . gonna try to find a lamp or something to stick in there for more heat


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22371943 - 10/13/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't have winged it..none the less good good luck :popcorn:


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22372043 - 10/13/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks any tips and criticism appreciated I love this community :smile:



We love you too, but wtf?????? That thing looks like a big hunk of bacteria lol

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22372106 - 10/13/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Could you post more pics of the other cakes? Also if you had some pics of them colonizing in the jars ?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22373730 - 10/13/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks any tips and criticism appreciated I love this community :smile:



We love you too, but wtf?????? That thing looks like a big hunk of bacteria lol

:whyyy:



. I have since moved my 600 watt HPS light above my FC and tossed that cake, the temperature is what its supposed to be at now :smile:
I dont have pics of it colonizing but will take pics of the rest off the jars tomorrow. they all colonized well and fast from the liquid culture I knocked em with . and as for the health of the rest of the cakes , they are all well , minorly bruised from being too wet but now that the temp is better seems to be going at a better pace will take p[uics tommorwoo


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22373780 - 10/13/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't put a 600watt HPS above a SGFC dude.


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22373855 - 10/13/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't put a 600watt HPS above a SGFC dude.



I didn't literally do that lol , I utilized the heat of a grow light which is also vegetating plants , I just placed the FC close enough to the light to catch some indirect heat and raise temp by 5-7 degrees or so . Its working quite well it seems


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22373943 - 10/13/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is your sgfc in your weed grow?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22374078 - 10/13/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22374261 - 10/13/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I love the idea of growing shrooms with weed. But if your flowering. 6/18 hours of like not good for shrooms.  Just leave your SGFC out in the open. Regular day lighting is just fine man.


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22379711 - 10/14/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

im running the lights 24 hours straight. is this going to be a big problem ? must there be a dark/light cycle for mushrooms ? ( sorry thats probably a stupid question lol )


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22379920 - 10/14/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Will also take some pictures of the spawn I have colonizing in jars shortly



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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22380057 - 10/14/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

12/12 lighting. Mushrooms have a circadian rhythm.

Those cakes look dry as fuck. Roll them in verm and mist the hell out of them.

Put foil squares or jar lids under the cakes.


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22380249 - 10/14/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dunking them right now


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22380279 - 10/14/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. They need 12/12 light cycle. They need to sleep man.


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22399044 - 10/18/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well , you guys couldn't have guessed better xD cakes were too dry , also the light seemed to help a lot. im now getting a new layer of clean healthy looking mycelium (rather moist ( not dry ) mycelium growing over the cake heh. hopefully see some pins in the next week or two ) its not a huge loss anyways . I have much more spawn in jars I was just being impatient and wanted to see some action haha so I decided to crack a few of my spawn jars , I keep myself a busy bee so being impatient isn't an issue ( rather over enthusiasm , ive learned the over enthusiasm lesson many times over with other projects and what not haha ) Glad to have learned from that mistake !

Im starting to learn what spawn is supposed to look like, like everything else trial and error seems to be a great way of learning


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22399066 - 10/18/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

haha at  one point I was starting to think " Y U GAIZ BEIN SO MEAN TO ME :frown: ( " ( okay not literally but haha ) no fuckin wonder , stevefrench you abusing the shit out of that spawn stop being a noob and learn your mistake already !!! haha

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22399165 - 10/18/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't be impatient


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22399232 - 10/18/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't be impatient




This is seriously some solid advice , and being a farmer .. Ive learned this lesson a thousand times over and never fail to have to re learn it on new projects ( lol )

Thankyou for your help JacobStorm , Hope to have many future discussions with you ! ( funny , im a Jacob too haha )

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22399252 - 10/18/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You got the right attitude. I'm sure you'll get as far in mycology as you want.

Keep this thread updated


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22399434 - 10/18/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: Good luck dude! Read read read!


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22400073 - 10/18/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Been hunting wild ones too , learning to identify them. Actually putting the few mushroom books on my shelf ive read over the years to use ! :smile: you know , this is how it always starts ... this is how it started with the farming too ( not the same way but same nature ) I got curious , curiousity turned into fascination/life long hobby fairly quickly !

I got quite alot of spawn jars colonizing , plan to keep making more at least once a week and knockin em with my two + pints of good clean LC I managed to make from a 8+ month old spore syringe that sat at room temp

Will take pics of my spawn tommorrow or the next day, im wiped from working on the farm thanks again guys your encouragment  and help means the world to me <3 pardon my spelling errors im slightly medicated


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22414969 - 10/21/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

heres some spawn , the first jar I knocked only two days ago with LC it colonizes pretty fast .
Decided to crumble the "cakes" I was trying to fruit , threw one of them in a container with coco coir as a casing. the other one I used pro mix soil mix and another one is about 25% coir and 75% pro mix soil mix.

I have fully colonized jars atm that im gonna let sit for another few weeks before I put in the chamber to make sure the middle is colonized and that it pins ! :smile:







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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22415036 - 10/21/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"Sterilizing " some coffee grounds in a ziplock freezer bag in the microwave for the hell of it, gonna shoot 5ML of LC i have

Figured why not do it as an experiment , I got plenty of LC and the coffee grinds are free. once its cool in a few hours im gonna whipe down with alcohol inoculate with LC and throw a bandaid over it ! :laugh:


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22415048 - 10/21/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool dude. You only have to wait a week for them too fully consolidate. Just fyi


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22415051 - 10/21/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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thanks any tips and criticism appreciated I love this community :smile:



We love you too, but wtf?????? That thing looks like a big hunk of bacteria lol

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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22415089 - 10/21/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Glad to here , thanks jacob !!

what do you think about my "unconventional" casing layers ? ( i suppose pro mix soil mix isnt so unconventional though )


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22424300 - 10/23/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Made a "new" kind of spawn. grinded up a bunch of WBS, the other jar is grinded WBS mixed with salvaged materials ( coco coir , newspaper , coffee grinds that i pasturized and blended up ) one of my containers that I cased is giving off a sour fermentation smell like that of wild yeast, gonna dispose of that . the one with coir is slowly being taken over by mycelium. its about at 10% right now ( think I didnt cut the coir fine enough but oh well :P )

some spawn i did in the past is now making knots , stronger rhizomorphic growth ( seems it was taken over few days ago ) and what im hoping is pins ( one of the reasons I also grinded WBS is because i cant tell if its pinning lol )  Lets hope I can see some dang fruits soon ! xD ( im not one to be turned away by failure )



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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22428156 - 10/24/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

One of my jars is growing a shroom !! Wohooo


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22438896 - 10/27/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



And so it begins ! my mini bulk tubs are doing great particularly the one the casing layer is almost half taken over, cant wait for it to start pinning ! making more new spawn as always! at this rate ill eventually have to get multiple fruiting chambers up and figure out a situation for a bigger fruiting chamber type environment :laugh:


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22438929 - 10/27/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And so it begins ! my mini bulk tubs are doing great particularly the one the casing layer is almost half taken over, cant wait for it to start pinning ! making more new spawn as always! at this rate ill eventually have to get multiple fruiting chambers up and figure out a situation for a bigger fruiting chamber type environment :laugh:




Lol dude how are you going to get those out of there?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22438941 - 10/27/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not entirely sure lol. Made this tiny spawn jar as a joke i really wasnt expecting it to bear fruits. Not complaining though. Think i should break the glass ?


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Stevefrench]
    #22438979 - 10/27/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Can't tell if that's trich or bruising.  Looks dry either way, and bad.

PF cakes are a bulk substrate, with flour as the nutrient source and vermiculite as the water reservoir.  They can pin without a casing.  IMO the best explanation for this I've heard is that cubes pin from low nutrition sites.

There aren't any real sites like that on a pure grain cake.  Its water capacity is considerably lower than a PF cake, and its nutritional load is higher.  If you want to learn about how to fruit straight grains, look up V-tek and read it.  Well worth while.

Since that looks uber dry, I'd dunk it, put it back in the jar, and case it with straight coir.  Once the coir is partially colonized, remove the lid of the jar and put it into fruiting conditions.  Use bottomwatering (v-tek.)


You can't sterilize coffee ground in the microwave, certainly not without melting a freezer bag and using the microwave for a long long time, such a long time.  If you want to sterilize them do it in the pressure cooker.  If you sterilize, you must fully colonize them under sterile conditions.  Otherwise you need to pasteurize them to use them as a part of a bulk substrate.  IMO, best not to fuck with coffee when you're learning.  That shit is a trichsplosion waiting to happen if you misstep.

I'm not usually one to say this, and more the one to propose weird solutions, but follow a tech.  No creative sideventures.  Everything you've posted looks disgusting and contaminated (no offense.)  V-tek or frank's 12 steps is what I'd look at.  If you have a pressure cooker PF tek is a waste of time, money, and space.

You don't need to handle colonized grains/colonized substrate with gloves, it's pointless.

Lastly, please post pics of your LC.  It's very hard to get clean LC, and you could easily waste a lot of time inoculating things with a dirty one.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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No, this does not look right...


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Re: my first attempt at fruiting (shotgun FC ) [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22439075 - 10/27/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah its bruising. Ive since got an idea what spawn is supposed to look like . Got a healthy mini bulk tub going with a casing layer. Grabbing a new substrate , bird seed is disgusting , though that said ive only had a few spawn jars get contaminated. Also the seeds look too much like pins lol cant tell the pins apart from seeds. The LC is clean im getting full colonization with contams just fine. Thanks for the tek will give that a read. I havent not been following a tek , im just kind of using bits and peices from them all. I do own a PC microwave stuff is just pissing around .


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