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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: Kinko]
    #22374035 - 10/13/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course he violated the law. Speeding, reckless driving, and vehicular manslaughter.




So then charge him... if you can.

Except cops can speed when in pursuit, he wasn't driving recklessly and the pedestrian shares the fault.

But hey, other than that...



Another reason why coppers love people like you.  if im a cop im always..... In pursuit whos going to say otherwise???:facepalm:




I never met a cop who loved me.

Now, got a link to the laws that prohibited this cops behavior?


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22374050 - 10/13/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It was reckless. The cop made a mistake and forgot to turn on his emergency lights, or maybe he meant to leave them off. Cops make mistakes too. Do you ever see an ambulance or firetruck driving that fast without lights on? I've seen cops speed a little without lights, but once they get to 10 or 20mph over the limit the lights come on. Maybe it isn't the law, I don't know, but IMO the cop was reckless.

I know cops have been charged in the past, that is why I said mostly. I was making the point that it is rare for a cop to be punished with a sentence that fits the crime, or even convicted at all. They should be held to higher standards and have harsher punishments.




The reckless behavior was on the idiot who crossed in front of a car.

Your opinion is worthless unless you can point to a law the cop broke. Can you?


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374072 - 10/13/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was disagreeing with uzziel. I have to agree this event was not an emergency event, but to me he was making it seem like cops and other emergency vehicles do not have to obey speed limits, stop signs, and red lights, even if they don't have lights or sirens on which just sounds ridiculous.

I found this, regarding the illinois vehicle act

DEFINITION:

The Illinois Vehicle Code defines an authorized emergency vehicle as a vehicle which has both visual (flashing and rotating lights) and audible (siren) warning devices in operation when responding to an emergency call.  If both the siren and lights are not operating the vehicle is not an authorized emergency vehicle and not entitled to privileges contained in the statutes.

IV) STATE LAW:

State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic. However, each driver of an emergency vehicle must exercise caution and regard for the safety of all motorist, passengers, and pedestrians when operating an emergency vehicle.



Sorry, here in Canada cops and ambulances and firetrucks aren't just allowed to disobey all laws, not put sirens on, and blast through red lights at 100mph. I figured that kind of common sense was the same in the USA too. Sounds like from what I posted above they are allowed to circumvent that as long as they are putting nobody in danger...including pedestrians...problem is the cop did put someone in danger.

I also don't know if you can even consider a cop trying to catch up to a speeding motorist an emergency vehicle, but I can't find any laws at the moment pertaining to that. I have a feeling they aren't just allowed to speed twice the speed limit down a road with no sirens or lights on. If so, that is absolutely ridiculous.


and yes i know you guys will twist what I posted in every way you can say the cop is still innocent. Have fun :shrug:


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374081 - 10/13/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What are you taking about? Who said the driver was going twice the speed
Limit? The cop had to stop, and turn around then he sped up to twice the speed limit to catch someone he thought might be speeding. Why not use his lights? If the interest is public safety then he should just like the law and police regulations state.

Police must follow te the state law ILCS 625 5/11 which states that emergency vehicles must use their lights or sirens when claiming an exemption to normal traffic laws.



http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=062500050HCh%2E+11+Art%2E+II&ActID=1815&ChapterID=49&SeqStart=110200000&SeqEnd=112900000


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22374087 - 10/13/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No-one has to twist what you said. Your cut-n-paste took care of that.

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State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic.




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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: Uzziel]
    #22374095 - 10/13/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So are you telling me they don't generally go after speeders going twice the speed limit? (at 5 AM no less -----> drunk driver)

................uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



If i ever become a cop and kill someone cuz i can drive at whatever speed i desire all i have to say is..... Hmmmm bruh? I was in pursuit of a reckless driver. Case closed. You people are naive




You know all you cop haters seem to have some serious violent issues. Whats up with you guys? For being so against violence you guys sure are violent.



Cop hater? When i first got my motorcycle i was driving without a license or insurance and got pulled over , i was respectful at all times and got away with a warning , really nice officer.    Another time with my friend who was behind the wheel of my car intoxicated.( i was intoxicated and suspended dls) Got pulled over and the cop simply told us to call someone to pick us up .. Well my friends brother showed up wasted , with 6 warrants but turns out he knew one of the cops ... So instead of taking us to jail they gave us a ride home.....                Most cops are good and are needed otherwise there would be chaos... But people like  Loveemshrooms zappa and priso support police actions 100 percent of the time , without fail as to say police officers are not human because they do not make mistakes or are corrupted in any way.... Maybe they have family in law and order or are cops themselfs... Honestly anything is possible.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: koods]
    #22374098 - 10/13/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What are you taking about? Who said the driver was going twice the speed
Limit? The cop had to stop, and turn around then he sped up to twice the speed limit to catch someone he thought might be speeding. Why not use his lights? If the interest is public safety then he should just like the law and police regulations state.

Police must follow te the state law ILCS 625 5/11 which states that emergency vehicles must use their lights or sirens when claiming an exemption to normal traffic laws.



http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=062500050HCh%2E+11+Art%2E+II&ActID=1815&ChapterID=49&SeqStart=110200000&SeqEnd=112900000




Except...

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State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic.




Keep trying.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374105 - 10/13/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What was I supposed to do, not cut and paste it and write it out word for word?

And you seem to have purposely not included the part where it says

However, each driver of an emergency vehicle must exercise caution and regard for the safety of all motorist, passengers, and pedestrians when operating an emergency vehicle.


This cop was not exercising caution for pedestrians.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374111 - 10/13/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Read the whole law. I just posted it. They are allow to disregard certain laws. It's called an emergency exception. And when claiming an emergency exception, they must use their lights and sirens. Not only is it a law, the police guidelines specifically state officers must follow the law.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22374116 - 10/13/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have nev e r seen zapa , prisoner or lovemshroms speak ill of any law enforcement , makes me want to be a cop knowing people like you are out there. And abuse that power.  You 3 might help create a corrupted officer:lookslucrative:


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22374119 - 10/13/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What was I supposed to do, not cut and paste it and write it out word for word?

And you seem to have purposely not included the part where it says

However, each driver of an emergency vehicle must exercise caution and regard for the safety of all motorist, passengers, and pedestrians when operating an emergency vehicle.


This cop was not exercising caution for pedestrians.




Your butthurt is impeding your thought process. I'd have cut-n-pasted it as well.

The part you think I purposely did not include wasn't purposely not included. It was trumped by the same cut-n-paste that seems to only matter when you want it to.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: koods]
    #22374122 - 10/13/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What was I supposed to do, not cut and paste it and write it out word for word?

And you seem to have purposely not included the part where it says

However, each driver of an emergency vehicle must exercise caution and regard for the safety of all motorist, passengers, and pedestrians when operating an emergency vehicle.


This cop was not exercising caution for pedestrians.




dude... nobody is walking/running around in the middle of the road at 5 AM.

You can clearly see from the video that nothing is around, no cars, no people, nothing and all of the sudden this dude is running in the middle of the street

I'd say he was in the clear to speed up

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Read the whole law. I just posted it. They are allow to disregard certain laws. It's called an emergency exception. And when claiming an emergency exception, they must use their lights and sirens. Not only is it a law, the police guidelines specifically state officers must follow the law.




That is right... they can disregard if they find that the factors of pursuit is worth the factor of risk

Nobody else was on the road except for this one guy in the middle of the street.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374126 - 10/13/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is all you need to see...theres the law ---- The Illinois Vehicle Code defines an authorized emergency vehicle as a vehicle which has both visual (flashing and rotating lights) and audible (siren) warning devices in operation when responding to an emergency call.  If both the siren and lights are not operating the vehicle is not an authorized emergency vehicle and not entitled to privileges contained in the statutes.

I dont think ----
State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic---- means they can disregard the law that enables them to be considered an emergency vehicle in the first place.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: koods]
    #22374127 - 10/13/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Read the whole law. I just posted it. They are allow to disregard certain laws. It's called an emergency exception. And when claiming an emergency exception, they must use their lights and sirens. Not only is it a law, the police guidelines specifically state officers must follow the law.




I already did. The cop doesn't appear to have violated the law. Guidelines are not laws.

Keep trying.

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State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic.




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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: Kinko]
    #22374134 - 10/13/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have nev e r seen zapa , prisoner or lovemshroms speak ill of any law enforcement




Then you either don't read much or just don't do well with written words.

Seems like a personal failing.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: Kinko]
    #22374144 - 10/13/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What's amazing about that is they are the same type of people who constantly whine about tyrannical government and the loss of individual rights. Some of them even state they would shoot the police if they beat down their door. Yet, they consistently take the side of state power.

How do you think a government enforces tyranny? The police

The hypocrisy and lack of logical thinking with right wing ideologues is stunning.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374156 - 10/13/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Read the whole law. I just posted it. They are allow to disregard certain laws. It's called an emergency exception. And when claiming an emergency exception, they must use their lights and sirens. Not only is it a law, the police guidelines specifically state officers must follow the law.




I already did. The cop doesn't appear to have violated the law. Guidelines are not laws.

Keep trying.

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State Law in Illinois permits emergency vehicles to disregard certain rules regulating the flow and control of the traffic.






And you ignore the section of the law that states when disregarding the rules regulating normal traffic they must use emergency lights and sirens


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: koods]
    #22374185 - 10/13/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nope. I'm just just smart enough to realize what an exemption means.

Why aren't you?


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22374196 - 10/13/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:

Emergency vehicle can claim an exemption, but when they do they must use emergency sirens or lights. READ THE FUCKING LAW AND STOP TALING OUT YOUR ASS.


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Re: Cop Driving 100 mph without Lights or Siren Kills Pedestrian - No Charges [Re: koods]
    #22374200 - 10/13/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did read. They don't have to.

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