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Ghost0420
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Right, so, I know that after the first flush the cake must be dunked again for 24 hours before being put back into the fruiting chamber for the 2nd flush. However, mushrooms grow to maturity at different rates... What if one does not want to rape the whole cake once, say, half reach maturity. What if one wants to pick off individuals once they individually reach maturity (or abort), will one have to wait till all the mushrooms have reached desired level of maturity (or aborted) and the cake to be blank to proceed to the 2nd dunk or what? Once a mushroom is plucked will another grow back in the same spot? Or will it not grow back until dunked again.
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Dont think too hard about it. When the cake is dry (lift it. If its a lot lighter its dry) dunk it. And yes cut mushrooms off with sterile tools as they become mature or are about to break veil. Once it puts out a few decent sized caps, it may be too dry to bring the others to maturity. You will then have to pull some early.
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*ahem* In my humble opinion.
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It sounds to me like you're asking if you can dunk a cake with mushrooms still on it? Letting them grow to maturity before re-dunking is ideal, and good practice. If you soak the cakes with mushrooms still attached, they will get logged with water, and if they are larger then pins, very soggy. Pins and very small mushrooms can survive it, but it is not recommended. Also, after each dunk rolling the cakes in verm is a good idea.. Having mushrooms attached while doing that would not be ideal.
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if you roll after the first flush you are inviting contams, I wouldn't do that.
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How many flushes can cakes go?
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psilobob said: if you roll after the first flush you are inviting contams, I wouldn't do that.
I know that...
Not once did I mention dunking and rolling after the first flush. 
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No lie ive gotten 6th flushes from one cake. Just dont let it dry out and die. Average probably 3.5?
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Ghost0420 said: Right, so, I know that after the first flush the cake must be dunked again for 24 hours before being put back into the fruiting chamber for the 2nd flush. However, mushrooms grow to maturity at different rates... What if one does not want to rape the whole cake once, say, half reach maturity. What if one wants to pick off individuals once they individually reach maturity (or abort), will one have to wait till all the mushrooms have reached desired level of maturity (or aborted) and the cake to be blank to proceed to the 2nd dunk or what? Once a mushroom is plucked will another grow back in the same spot? Or will it not grow back until dunked again.
i would pick as they are ready and if ya feel they could use soem water simply put some water in a saucer and sit your cakes on those over night. once a fruit is plucked more will grow not in the same spot but on the cake somewhere
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TreeFace said: It sounds to me like you're asking if you can dunk a cake with mushrooms still on it? Letting them grow to maturity before re-dunking is ideal, and good practice. If you soak the cakes with mushrooms still attached, they will get logged with water, and if they are larger then pins, very soggy. Pins and very small mushrooms can survive it, but it is not recommended. Also, after each dunk rolling the cakes in verm is a good idea.. Having mushrooms attached while doing that would not be ideal.
Nah brother, you have misunderstood me
Also, I KNOW you do not roll after the first flush, only dunk, I KNOW THAT 
I'm asking if you can wait till each mushroom reaches maturity and pluck them off individually as they mature at different rates before the 2nd dunk. Understand? Thank's for all you guys help, I do appreciate it
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Lofetospoon9 said: No lie ive gotten 6th flushes from one cake. Just don't let it dry out and die. Average probably 3.5?
Wicked! Is each flush as fruitful as the first of does the total mass of each flush descend over each following flush?
Do you dunk your cakes for 24hrs after each flush?
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TreeFace said: Also, after each dunk rolling the cakes in verm is a good idea..
Uhmmmmmmmmmm............
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Nah brother, you have misunderstood me
I'm asking if you can wait till each mushroom reaches maturity and pluck them off individually as they mature at different rates before the 2nd dunk. Understand? Thank's for all you guys help, I do appreciate it 
Yeah, sorry for that. I read your first post completely different  But yes, you can absolutely do that
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Lofetospoon9 said: No lie ive gotten 6th flushes from one cake. Just don't let it dry out and die. Average probably 3.5?
Wicked! Is each flush as fruitful as the first of does the total mass of each flush descend over each following flush?
Do you dunk your cakes for 24hrs after each flush?
remember cakes do not know the meaning of flush , that is a human term so it's not always good to have to go 6 flushes, if i cna get 7.5 grams out of 3 flushes and he only pulls five from his six it isnt' genetics doing this it's conditions
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Re: PF tek help [Re: cronicr]
#22370334 - 10/12/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TreeFace said: Also, after each dunk rolling the cakes in verm is a good idea..
cronicr?
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no it's never a good idea, thousands of mold spores have landed on your cake now so a re roll just gives those spores a great climate
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Re: PF tek help [Re: cronicr]
#22370353 - 10/12/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: no it's never a good idea, thousands of mold spores have landed on your cake now so a re roll just gives those spores a great climate
Knew it!
Now back on topic.
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Re: PF tek help [Re: cronicr]
#22370360 - 10/12/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lofetospoon9 said: No lie ive gotten 6th flushes from one cake. Just don't let it dry out and die. Average probably 3.5?
Wicked! Is each flush as fruitful as the first of does the total mass of each flush descend over each following flush?
Do you dunk your cakes for 24hrs after each flush?
remember cakes do not know the meaning of flush , that is a human term so it's not always good to have to go 6 flushes, if i cna get 7.5 grams out of 3 flushes and he only pulls five from his six it isnt' genetics doing this it's conditions
Please rephrase this, I actually don't understand what you mean.
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psilobob said: if you roll after the first flush you are inviting contams, I wouldn't do that.
I know that...
Not once did I mention dunking and rolling after the first flush. 
Thanks anyway
This is why you read all the posts in order before replying to any of them. Cron means what he said. Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop. If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes. 6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.
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Inocuole said: This is why you read all the posts in order before replying to any of them. Cron means what he said. Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop. If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes. 6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.
Ok now I understand, I just did not understand what cron meant coz his wording did not make sense to me
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psilobob said: if you roll after the first flush you are inviting contams, I wouldn't do that.
I know that...
Not once did I mention dunking and rolling after the first flush. 
Thanks anyway
This is why you read all the posts in order before replying to any of them. Cron means what he said. Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop. If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes. 6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.
I actually just considered this. What would improving pf procedure in this way look like? I suppose just providing the triggers well?
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Inocuole said: Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop. If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes. 6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.
And how can that technique be improved?
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Re: PF tek help [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: i would pick as they are ready and if ya feel they could use soem water simply put some water in a saucer and sit your cakes on those over night. once a fruit is plucked more will grow not in the same spot but on the cake somewhere
Right, and pick aborts off once it becomes apparent they are aborts right?
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More FAE, more misting, better conditions overall. A nice even roll in the right kind of verm, stuff like that. For cakes, I really don't have that much experience though. Been doing bulk 99% of the time.
Correct about the aborts. As soon as you can see it's an abort, go ahead and pluck it off. They're usually so small you don't have to go to much effort to dry them.
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Pick em when they're ready to be picked, when a cake stops growing new mushrooms dunk it. It'll tell you when it's ready to be dunked.
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Eventually the whole cake goes soft, is 100x more likely to break out in mold, and is just a ticking time bomb in your grow area, so, balancing act is important.
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Wicked! Is each flush as fruitful as the first of does the total mass of each flush descend over each following flush?
Do you dunk your cakes for 24hrs after each flush?
Typically the flushes get lighter as they go on. However I've had several 2nd flushes that were as good and better. Usually after the 2nd flush there will be a considerable difference. 24hrs isn't necessary, many dunk for 12hrs with the same results. The important thing is that your cakes are well hydrated.
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Lofetospoon9 said: I actually just considered this. What would improving pf procedure in this way look like? I suppose just providing the triggers well?
I'm assuming perfect PF tek procedure would look something like this.
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Yes, it looks like that pretty much.
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Inocuole said: A nice even roll in the right kind of verm
Which is?
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Inocuole said: Yes, it looks like that pretty much.
How u do dat tho?
Like get the whole fucking cake COVERED in fruits?
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Fine and medium grade both work pretty well. It's hard to say which is best for the roll because the medium grade tends to create bigger humidity pockets but the finer stuff is more likely to stick. If you can get medium grade to stick properly then that's what you should use for the roll. Fine grade is still great for the actual cake, and works fine for the roll too, but sometimes it ends up looking like you rolled the cake in some kinda pyrite dust, and that's no good.
I imagine you get cakes like that by getting perfect conditions and good genetics. None of mine ever got quite that good, but I was fucking with spore syringes and didn't have a good area to grow in. Nobody's using magic BRF or verm blessed by the pope, so it's gotta be in the fruiting chamber or the genetics. Everything about the chamber is important, where it is in the room, how high it is, how much air is moving in the room, the temperature, whether it fluctuates or stays about the same, etc.
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Sivarted said: Pick em when they're ready to be picked, when a cake stops growing new mushrooms dunk it. It'll tell you when it's ready to be dunked. 
Why not explain that now then?
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Uhmmmmmmmmmm............
My apologies. I haven't done cakes in a long time, and as stated it is not a good idea. Remembering back to then is kind of a blur Thanks cronicr for clearing that up
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Why not explain that now then?
Cause I'm not a cake?
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Gonna have to hand this one to Sivarted.
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Sorry, not meaning to sound facetious...
I had a lot of the same questions on my first round too (which wasn't that long ago, I'm on fourth flush of my original cakes, with a bunch of other projects in the works)
What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.
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Also, having just put in my first cakes that I rolled after birthing and dunking instead of just dunking and then fruiting, I *highly* recommend a verm roll, especially if you can't always be on top of the misting all the time. The verm shold be a pretty good water reservoir for the mushrooms to soak up.
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Sivarted said: What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.
And then when they have all grown at there own pace there will be nothing left, then dunk it, right?
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Sivarted said: Also, having just put in my first cakes that I rolled after birthing and dunking instead of just dunking and then fruiting, I *highly* recommend a verm roll, especially if you can't always be on top of the misting all the time. The verm shold be a pretty good water reservation or for the mushrooms to soak up.
No shit
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And then when they have all grown at there own pace there will be nothing left, then dunk it, right?
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No shit 
Haha yeah, I didn't so that on my first round because all of my cakes pinned invitro and I didn't want to destroy the pins. I know better now.
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Sivarted said: What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.
And then when they have all grown at there own pace there will be nothing left, then dunk it, right?
Bingo.
BUT BUT BUT... NOW we are getting were I want to go!
Righto...
If You pick the fruits off individually when they reach full maturity wont more pins pop up and have the cake with mushrooms on it at all time, hence making it impossible to dunk as there will allways be fruits on the cake?
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OR,,, does the cake not pin again untill it is dunked?
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Sivarted said: What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.
And then when they have all grown at there own pace there will be nothing left, then dunk it, right?
Bingo.
BUT BUT BUT... NOW we are getting were I want to go!
Righto...
If You pick the fruits off individually when they reach full maturity wont more pins pop up and have the cake with mushrooms on it at all time, hence making it impossible to dunk as there will allways be fruits on the cake?
Not as far as I've seen. The cakes end up being pretty dry once they've grown out.
But hey, if it wants to keep growing, and the conditions are right, let it.
I've let a couple sit too long, and they did *try* to grow again, but the cake just didn't have enough moisture in it. There was probably a 4 or 5 day period where there was nothing, though, and the only reason I hadn't dunked it yet is because I wanted to dunk them all at once and there were others that hadn't finished.
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There's a short resting period between flushes unless the genetics are really diverse, then there's a chance the mushrooms will just never stop until they're done. If you have more specific isolated genetics then it's more likely that it'll all come in in a single flush, then give you the resting period for the dunk.
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So if fruits want to keep growing, keep misting and fanning until the cake is bare then dunk it, I think I got it now.
Speaking of misting and fanning, that's something I know fuckall about, who can fill me in?
I'm just going to ask all my PF tek questions and discussions in this thread.
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Also, should the syringes used for making spore syringes be 10-12ml syringes with 18ga tips?
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Searching will give all the info about misting and fanning you could ever hope for, the basics are mist whenever they look dry, until they "shimmer" (there's even a thread that will show you what that should look like), fan after misting but if your sgfc is set up correctly fanning isn't as necessary since it should already have good airflow.
Any syringe size will work (I'm using 20ml syringes personally, and also used an entire large print that I made in a pint jar about 3/4 full of sterilized water with a SHIP because I want to be lazy about making syringes when I need them), and I have 18, 16, and 14 Guage needles, but prefer the thinner ones because they go through polyfill and silicon injection ports more eaisly. Again searching will reveal tons of detailed info and techniques about making prints and syringes.
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Do people really cheese grate there pf cakes?
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I know that the first dunk is for 24 hours, Should the dunk for proceeding flushes only be 12 hours?
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I dunno if "people" do that, but I did a few days ago, and just put the tub into my sgfc today. Had good results with crumbled cakes but there was a *lot* of side pinning due to gaps in the substrate, so I decided to give grating a shot.
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Ghost0420 said: I know that the first dunk is for 24 hours, Should the dunk for proceeding flushes only be 12 hours?
I've been doing 24 hours for every dunk. Pretty sure it's actually the first dunk that could be shorter if you wanted, but it seems unlikely the exact amount of time is a huge deal.
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Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
Posts: 24,863
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Roostertail said: Do people really cheese grate there pf cakes?
Have you really not un-doxxed yourself yet? I posted creepy personal details about you weeks ago and was hoping it'd creep you out enough to fix that.
Do we have to talk about your photobucket page with the fat chicks and the rocks on your back?
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tetherface
get in where you fit in



Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
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Inocuole said:
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Roostertail said: Do people really cheese grate there pf cakes?
Have you really not un-doxxed yourself yet? I posted creepy personal details about you weeks ago and was hoping it'd creep you out enough to fix that.
Do we have to talk about your photobucket page with the fat chicks and the rocks on your back?
Dammm this kids livin way to real...fat chicks and back rocks.. I'm in
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LogicaL Chaos
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs




Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 69,359
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Oh manz, this is getting too good
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Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



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Man... just trying to keep his door from getting kicked in. Being a little bit of a dick now is way better than that.
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tetherface
get in where you fit in



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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22393180 - 10/17/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Man... just trying to keep his door from getting kicked in. Being a little bit of a dick now is way better than that.
Well said I glanced at his profile and anonymity is unfortunately missing so OP fix yer shit this isn't FB fool....tighten up like noc said hate to see something happen that could reflect badly on the community
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Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



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It's not OP, it's RoosterTail. So far he just jacks other people's threads to ask questions he could've looked up.
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LogicaL Chaos
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs




Registered: 05/12/07
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Oh.
RoosterTail put personal info in his account info?
Oh dude, not good. Remember growing shrooms is NOT legal.
Somebody talk to him...
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Inocuole
Scalpel of Evil's Bane



Registered: 11/21/11
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Dude obviously doesn't care, just gave out his city in another thread.
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Roostertail

Registered: 09/27/15
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I will fix it when I get a chance
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Ghost0420
Fucking druggo


Registered: 06/26/14
Posts: 1,363
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Damn, what I miss?
-------------------- Psilocybe subaeruginosa 2015
    
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