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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22370449 - 10/12/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if you roll after the first flush you are inviting contams, I wouldn't do that.




I know that...

Not once did I mention dunking and rolling after the first flush. :smile:

Thanks anyway




This is why you read all the posts in order before replying to any of them.  Cron means what he said.  Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop.  If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes.  6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.





I actually just considered this. What would improving pf procedure in this way look like? I suppose just providing the triggers well?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22370455 - 10/12/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cakes don't know a magic number of flushes where they're going to stop.  If you are still getting mushrooms more than 5-6 flushes in that means you could really improve your technique toward getting all of it in the first 2-3 flushes.  6 flushes totalling to 7.5 grams isn't noteworthy if 3 flushes can put out 12 grams.




And how can that technique be improved?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: cronicr]
    #22370471 - 10/12/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i would pick as they are ready and if ya feel  they could use soem water simply put some water in a saucer and sit your cakes on those over night.
once a fruit is plucked more will grow not in the same spot but on the cake somewhere




Right, and pick aborts off once it becomes apparent they are aborts right?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370479 - 10/12/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

More FAE, more misting, better conditions overall.  A nice even roll in the right kind of verm, stuff like that.  For cakes, I really don't have that much experience though.  Been doing bulk 99% of the time.

Correct about the aborts.  As soon as you can see it's an abort, go ahead and pluck it off.  They're usually so small you don't have to go to much effort to dry them.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370482 - 10/12/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pick em when they're ready to be picked, when a cake stops growing new mushrooms dunk it.  It'll tell you when it's ready to be dunked.  :smile:


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370488 - 10/12/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Eventually the whole cake goes soft, is 100x more likely to break out in mold, and is just a ticking time bomb in your grow area, so, balancing act is important.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370505 - 10/12/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Is each flush as fruitful as the first of does the total mass of each flush descend over each following flush?

Do you dunk your cakes for 24hrs after each flush?




Typically the flushes get lighter as they go on. However I've had several 2nd flushes that were as good and better. Usually after the 2nd flush there will be a considerable difference. 24hrs isn't necessary, many dunk for 12hrs with the same results. The important thing is that your cakes are well hydrated.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22370535 - 10/12/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I actually just considered this. What would improving pf procedure in this way look like? I suppose just providing the triggers well?




I'm assuming perfect PF tek procedure would look something like this.





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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370577 - 10/12/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, it looks like that pretty much.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22370591 - 10/12/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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A nice even roll in the right kind of verm




Which is?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22370599 - 10/12/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, it looks like that pretty much.




How u do dat tho?

Like get the whole fucking cake COVERED in fruits?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370607 - 10/12/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fine and medium grade both work pretty well.  It's hard to say which is best for the roll because the medium grade tends to create bigger humidity pockets but the finer stuff is more likely to stick.  If you can get medium grade to stick properly then that's what you should use for the roll.  Fine grade is still great for the actual cake, and works fine for the roll too, but sometimes it ends up looking like you rolled the cake in some kinda pyrite dust, and that's no good.

I imagine you get cakes like that by getting perfect conditions and good genetics.  None of mine ever got quite that good, but I was fucking with spore syringes and didn't have a good area to grow in.  Nobody's using magic BRF or verm blessed by the pope, so it's gotta be in the fruiting chamber or the genetics.  Everything about the chamber is important, where it is in the room, how high it is, how much air is moving in the room, the temperature, whether it fluctuates or stays about the same, etc.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370613 - 10/12/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Pick em when they're ready to be picked, when a cake stops growing new mushrooms dunk it.  It'll tell you when it's ready to be dunked.  :smile:




Why not explain that now then?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370615 - 10/12/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, after each dunk rolling the cakes in verm is a good idea..




Uhmmmmmmmmmm............




:facepalm: My apologies. I haven't done cakes in a long time, and as stated it is not a good idea. Remembering back to then is kind of a blur :lol: Thanks cronicr for clearing that up :thumbup:


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22370620 - 10/12/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Pick em when they're ready to be picked, when a cake stops growing new mushrooms dunk it.  It'll tell you when it's ready to be dunked.  :smile:




Why not explain that now then?




Cause I'm not a cake?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370628 - 10/12/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Gonna have to hand this one to Sivarted.  :lol:


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22370648 - 10/12/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, not meaning to sound facetious...

I had a lot of the same questions on my first round too (which wasn't that long ago, I'm on fourth flush of my original cakes, with a bunch of other projects in the works)

What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.

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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370673 - 10/12/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also, having just put in my first cakes that I rolled after birthing and dunking instead of just dunking and then fruiting, I *highly* recommend a verm roll, especially if you can't always be on top of the misting all the time.  The verm shold be a pretty good water reservoir for the mushrooms to soak up.


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370679 - 10/12/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I mean is that it will be pretty obvious when it's ready to dunk, and there's no need to pick all of the mushrooms from a cake at once, pick em when they're ready, and let the rest finish growing.





And then when they have all grown at there own pace there will be nothing left, then dunk it, right?


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Re: PF tek help [Re: Sivarted]
    #22370682 - 10/12/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, having just put in my first cakes that I rolled after birthing and dunking instead of just dunking and then fruiting, I *highly* recommend a verm roll, especially if you can't always be on top of the misting all the time.  The verm shold be a pretty good water reservation or for the mushrooms to soak up.




No shit :smile:


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