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    #22370054 - 10/12/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

As a young kid I grew up a strict Catholic - from the teachings I understood that social justice is supposed to be a large part of being a Christian - eg: looking out for your fellow man, helping those in need, etc (From what the Bible said about Jesus it seems like he was a person who always strived for social justice. )

Why then do the vast majority of Christians turn their back on those in need?
Look how rabid anti-welfare the US right wing Republicans are..
Most Conservatives I speak to don't think lesser fortunate people should get hand outs. Which they hardly do right now. It's fairly impossible to live on welfare and get out of it - I was fortunate to - while living a fairly privileged life - be able to meet some some good people who were on welfare due to horrible circumstances - family abuse, rape, etc, and the system was worthless to help, mainly because of lack of a budget to properly address the situation because no one cared.

Voting Conservative is a great example (not really for helping others at all). I understand the Conservatives are the only party of who some members support abolishment of abortion and so I can see why many religious would choose them. (Or anti-gay, etc).

But shouldn't they be worrying about the already living, those who need help desperately, before waging a war that cannot be won (prohibition doesn't work and just makes things unsafe) and is fairly illogical (as if it as truly about preventing abortion, they would be PRO birth control as birth control = less abortions). This seems only logical.. Not to mention the arguments against BC is based on faulty science and would not apply to Plan B, or IUD devices, etc.

Shouldn't they worry about the lives they drive people to suicide through their anti-gay stuff? But so is ignoring the fact that there are so many poor and destitute people out there that need help - and the excuses I get 90% of the time are that they could get out of it if they wanted to and it isn't the person's responsibility to help them out.

And yes there are some religious organizations that provide valuable resources to those in need - but that's nothing compared to the millions of dollars poured into fighting gay-marriage laws, into anti-abortion laws, etc. Those dollars could go to help those who are already living and in dire need of help. It could go to prevent death. It could provide comfort.

Also why are so many right wing religious pro death penalty - isn't that the exact opposite of being "pro-life"?
And wouldn't their god be happier if they spent less time demonizing groups of people and instead helped everyone?

And the church wonders why people are leaving in large numbers...


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Re: Inconsistent Christians [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #22370232 - 10/12/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Great post.

I agree with just about everything you said.  It is every-man-for-himself in the U.S., and there is no social safety net and certainly no strong sense of community.  Our behavior toward our fellow man, for a supposedly Christian nation, is decidedly unchristian.  And the money we waste on phony issues -- in the billions -- could go a long way toward fighting legitimate problems concerning other, much more important and real issues.  Our society could surely use a lot of work.  Many millions of people are not making it.


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Re: Inconsistent Christians [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22370282 - 10/12/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No social safety net?  Give me a break, that is a bold faced lie.  Nearly everything for the poor is subsidized by society in this country.  Food, education, housing, medicine and more - all subsidized.  I know, I've gotten it all, for free, just for being only in the top 7% of resource consumers on the planet (american poor).

Christianity is terrible and has been since it was formed.  Why should you expect anything different?  Christ and his god are scumbags, their followers are scumbags.  Garbage in, garbage out.  The less christian the US becomes, the better it becomes.


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Re: Inconsistent Christians [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22370321 - 10/12/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Charles Manson: Which Jesus? There's all kinds of Jesus there's a black Jesus down in Florida, he's having a good time, there's a Mexican Jesus down in Mexico, I mean there's all kinds of Jesus there's a Jewish Jesus. I mean Jesus, you know all kinds of Jesus coming back everywhere! And nothing can stop it! It's a consciousness that lives in your mind!! Ladadadada!


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    #22370328 - 10/12/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No social safety net?  Give me a break, that is a bold faced lie.  Nearly everything for the poor is subsidized by society in this country.  Food, education, housing, medicine and more - all subsidized.  I know, I've gotten it all, for free, just for being only in the top 7% of resource consumers on the planet (american poor).

Christianity is terrible and has been since it was formed.  Why should you expect anything different?  Christ and his god are scumbags, their followers are scumbags.  Garbage in, garbage out.  The less christian the US becomes, the better it becomes.



I am not sure how the US operates but our welfare system is terrible here - the amount you are given is not even enough to pay for rent. I know this because I knew people on welfare. It was really eye opening. And yes - they were there because their lives were fucked from external circumstances - rape, spousal abuse, family abuse, drug addict mom and dad, etc. As an engineer I make a nice profit - and get taxed hugely - but am more than willing to pay more to help the less fortunate. I think that is what being part of a country is.


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    #22370458 - 10/12/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22370575 - 10/12/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I live in the Bible Belt and have to deal with these hypocritical fucks everyday. They like you as long as your one of them but most don't hesitate to judge and turn their back on you if mess up or do something they don't agree.


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    #22370665 - 10/12/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I live in the Bible Belt and have to deal with these hypocritical fucks everyday. They like you as long as your one of them but most don't hesitate to judge and turn their back on you if mess up or do something they don't agree.




And that's different from other groups in what way?


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Re: Inconsistent Christians [Re: Rahz]
    #22370683 - 10/12/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Wotko said:
I live in the Bible Belt and have to deal with these hypocritical fucks everyday. They like you as long as your one of them but most don't hesitate to judge and turn their back on you if mess up or do something they don't agree.




And that's different from other groups in what way?




Surely there exists some group that does hesitate to judge and will not turn their back on you if you mess up..  ??  Or no?  I agree this is likely the norm.  But then being religious or a believer is also the norm.  Still, I think some groups can (and do) do better.


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