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First world problem need advice 1
#22369260 - 10/12/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yah so i have a big delemma here. I wanted to get a vacuum sealer since i started hunting n stuff and planned to butcher the animals myself to save money. I figuered if i have to gut them i might as well butcher them too as my hands would already balls deep.
So i started looking at vacuum sealers, then read reviews of them queefing out after a year, so the cheap ones are just like throwing money out the window plus alot of them only handle tiny bags. Then i started looking at the expensive ones like LEM's, cabela, weston, vacmaster. Right so, those are pretty expensive ones like $400 for the lem, $350 for the cabela, cabela had pump issues in the past and supposedly fixed them but that puts reliablity into question. So eventually i settled on the LEM.
Then i started looking into the bags to go with it and i quickly realized im going to be constantly wondering if what im bagging is going to be worth the cost of a bag, since its like $30 for 50-100 bags. I have found a few other suppliers closer to $15, but then they charge like $11 for shipping, other places charge to not such how much but point being the bags are horribly expensive.
You also can't vacuum seal liquids which would be really nice, i suppose you could freeze the stuff first but that would take alot of freezer space to setup and very time consuming.
So then i started looking into these Chamber vacuum sealers, and those things are pretty neat, they just suck the air out of the chamber with the bag in it, which means you can use really cheap bags, like $30 for 1000 which means i could bag shit all day without giving a fuck.
The downside is the chamber is limited in size, so certain things might not fit in there like bags of dicks. So that has me slightly concerned. The other downfall is the price. The entree models start at $520 but those are pretty shitty ones from the looks of it. There's another at $620 that looks alot nicer but the chamber is a bit smaller and it has a maintence free pump. When you jump up to a rotary pump and a slightly bigger champer you are running $800
 This is the $520 and looks kinda cheap and cheesy
Chamber = 5" x 11" x 12"
 This is the $620 one and it has digital buttons that open and close the chamber which is pretty sweet. But again it has the smaller chamber its only 4" deep
Chamber = 4" x 11" x 11" roughtly

This is the $800 one with rotary pump
Chamber = 5" x 11" x 15"
So basically im worried the cheap one won't last long, the middle one could be too small, and the large one is just godly expensive. But the bags are so dam cheaper tho that will add up over time, and the rotary pump in theory should make it last alot longer than a maintence free pump, but it is $800 which sucks and makes me think back to the LEM. The lem will be great for meat, but i could see being able to bag big pots of chili as pretty nice. $30 for like 50-100 bags tho, that just kills me, idealy id be portioning out the shit i bag like 1 meal per bag, so a big pot of chili or stew id be throwing down alot of bags. But basically if you look at it from a eating point of view 2 meals a day = 2 bags a day x 30 days = 60 bags a month, thats roughly $20-30 a month on bags
Then on the other hand i could end up getting one and then get bored/tired of it and only bag shit once or twice, or only during hunting season
god damit shroomery help me with my first world problems shit is rough out here
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: California]
#22370140 - 10/12/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so your saying i should get the one with the chamber?
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22370196 - 10/12/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get a slightly used one and get the best one. It''ll probably be half the price.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22370218 - 10/12/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im sorry, did I read "bags of dicks"?
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i was also wondering how hard it would be to build one, i seen vacuum pumps on ebay for like $50......and there's a youtube video of some guy throwing a ziplock bag into a pot, throwing a lid on, and vacuuming it out with one, only catch is sealing the bag he used a ziplock with a magnet which is smart but dumb
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22371173 - 10/12/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Waste of time to build one man. If you get one in the 100-200$ range it will be fine for what you need. If you have the money get a 300-400$ one. You can also look into Mylar bags since they are a lot better then plastic.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: Gorlax]
#22371369 - 10/12/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My parents have one from Cabelas, it keeps venison so fresh. They also have a Cabelas dehydrator which makes some amazing venison jerky. I'd say just shop around and check out reviews before purchasing one. Base your purchase on the experience of others, imo.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22371407 - 10/12/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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find a retailer that has each on site, inspect the quality for yourself
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22371439 - 10/12/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats a good idea but prolly hard to track them all down locally, plus i try to never leave the house unless its an emergency, life is so rough out there
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22371447 - 10/13/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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apparently bass proshops carries it, check to see if they have one in stock, buy through amazon
another way to get an idea of the quality of them is the youtube vids, the tiny pics make it look cheesy but in the vids it looks to be a large piece of real estate on a counter top and pretty well built
yeah, I had to look
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22371484 - 10/13/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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amazon has a good customer service and return policy but the prices i listed are much lower than amazons and the sites look fairly legit.
i guess the cheaper one does look nicer in the video, but according to reviews on amazon it is subject to getting tiny air holes in the plastic top. which may or may not have been fixed through revisions. prolly not much of an issue for a DIY'er who knows how to use epoxy tho. Apparently that model uses the same motor as the vp210, still a maintence free one wish i knew how long those would last. i try to buy things just once, so tired of chinese shit speaking of which i heard all of those models are made in china now but they look fairly well built anyway
guessing you were interested in them too eh?
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22373361 - 10/13/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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damit! i had this nice dented minipack spotted on ebay it was $500 then the 15 minutes some asshole put a $900 bid on the dam thing wtf like he didn't even wait to ninja it  
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22373444 - 10/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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omg loony toons, shit sold for $1775 thats so stupid, granted its like $2.2k new but it was dented and looked like someone cut around the serial plate and who knows how old it was, plus a chef owned it so it would have been worked really hard i honestly didn't think it would break $1k. It always irks me these people who bid anywhere over the last 10 mintues, surely they know they will get outbid so all they accomplished was to jack the price up. Its just like at that price you might as well get a new one so you don't have to worry about if the pump oil was ever changed
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22373724 - 10/13/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not for nothing but when I was deer hunting all I had to do was give a professional butcher the cape and he would cut up and bag everything for the freezer. Butchery is not a dilettante skill.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: zappaisgod]
#22373859 - 10/13/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not for nothing but when I was deer hunting all I had to do was give a professional butcher the cape and he would cut up and bag everything for the freezer. Butchery is not a dilettante skill.
yah i considered that but i figuer after 4 seasons of hunting, the butcher costs would add up. i figuer if i invest early ill save tons in the long run. Then again im a pretty shitty hunter so far 2 or 3 seasons hunting and ive seen 2 squirrels when i wasn't hunting squirrels, and 1 baby doe when i WAS hunting squirrels  besides some birds ive seen no other wild life This year i plan to hit it alot harder tho. Previous years ive had equipment problems, alot of it was trying to figuer out what i should be wearing and taking with me out there, another issue is where im hunting but i can't really fix that problem. Public lands suck dick, all hunted out, and i don't feel like going door to door like a magazine salesmen begging farmers to let me hunt. Shit sucks......but my plan this year is to just walk deep as fuck into the forest trying to go where no man has gone before and hope i have the energy to make it back out alive
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22373887 - 10/13/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh man Ive only fucked around with the cheapos like foodsaver and shit. Fucking bullshit becasuse cheapo means a couple hundred dollars and they are all horrible they barely suck give u like a centimeter wide heat seal that barely holds. also most farmers hate deer. round here theres like way too many deer n shit but theyre mostly smalls.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22373894 - 10/13/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: omg loony toons, shit sold for $1775 thats so stupid, granted its like $2.2k new but it was dented and looked like someone cut around the serial plate and who knows how old it was, plus a chef owned it so it would have been worked really hard i honestly didn't think it would break $1k. It always irks me these people who bid anywhere over the last 10 mintues, surely they know they will get outbid so all they accomplished was to jack the price up. Its just like at that price you might as well get a new one so you don't have to worry about if the pump oil was ever changed
meh thats like commercial shit dewd shit has redic resale ur better off buy'n a broken one off someone and fixin it.
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Also i read ur whole thing now wtf are u trying to vaccum here chili n stuff? what about canning it? Do u have ne canneries by you? like mormon home food storage places or other stuff? jus go there and jus tell them the truth about what ur trying to do and theyll tell u what u need unless its like drugs stuff. alot of times u can rent a ton of huge commercial canning equitment and prob even huge commercial vaccum sealers n shit.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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zappaisgod said: Not for nothing but when I was deer hunting all I had to do was give a professional butcher the cape and he would cut up and bag everything for the freezer. Butchery is not a dilettante skill.
yah i considered that but i figuer after 4 seasons of hunting, the butcher costs would add up. i figuer if i invest early ill save tons in the long run. Then again im a pretty shitty hunter so far 2 or 3 seasons hunting and ive seen 2 squirrels when i wasn't hunting squirrels, and 1 baby doe when i WAS hunting squirrels  besides some birds ive seen no other wild life This year i plan to hit it alot harder tho. Previous years ive had equipment problems, alot of it was trying to figuer out what i should be wearing and taking with me out there, another issue is where im hunting but i can't really fix that problem. Public lands suck dick, all hunted out, and i don't feel like going door to door like a magazine salesmen begging farmers to let me hunt. Shit sucks......but my plan this year is to just walk deep as fuck into the forest trying to go where no man has gone before and hope i have the energy to make it back out alive
You are going to hate me. I shot a deer in the first half hour of my first hunt. Not ten yards away. He went hopping down the path that I was sitting just off going away from somebody else. Perfect shot. You don't get buck fever when you haven't waited forever for a chance..
We field dressed it and there was a local butcher who would do the whole job just for the cape after it hung for a couple days. NY Finger Lakes region.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: zappaisgod]
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u could prob still do that up there too
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around here its kinda a weird culture, when im hunting public lands and i see other people they are always assholes. Like i got to this trail first right, im walking like halfway down it, snow so you could clearly see someone went that way. Im walking as slow as i can to not spook shit. These dickface practically comes running down the trail, comes up to me and says yo dude so where you hunting, i tell him im walkin down this trail n gunna find a spot. Dudes like yo i got this spot picked out up here already, im like so? Dude gets mad then walks even faster like he thinks because he gets down the trail sooner that he owns the spots or something. Meanwhile he prolly spooked every deer for miles. I mean i get it you scout ahead of time i get that but its first come first serve, you don't go spook the entire forest like a 2 year old in a candy shop. Ive i see a car on a trail already i go down further so i don't even have to worry about running into them or getting shot by the idiots, so i dunno just irks me. All the public land is like that, and when you drive past these trails and people are in their cars they give you these evil stairs like you better not park here
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22374121 - 10/13/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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one thing i was thinking with a chamber sealer is i could make bags of water so i wouldn't have to haul around bulky bottles for when im out hunting
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22374181 - 10/13/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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u mean a water blatter?
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yah basically without having to buy one and wash it out n crap
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22374344 - 10/13/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So curious, are you doing this to package the meat raw, or to vacuum seal it to freeze? Maybe getting what butchers wrap their meat in could be a good alternative to look into. Also when I refreeze meat I buy at the supermarket, I cut it into easily cookable sections, then stick in in the appropriate sized plastic bags, stick a straw in, suck out as much air as I can, then twist and tie up with string, or those little tie wires. It works really good, and will last a really long time! 
Hope it helps some. 
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: Shortknight]
#22374588 - 10/13/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not sure how i feel about sucking on meat bags. and yes i plan to get a chest freezer and start freezing a bunch of stuff from venison to chili to bags of water that i will bury in the backyard for the zombie apocolypse
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22375460 - 10/13/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well.. you only get blood sometimes lol, it saves bucks and I couldnt be bothered really, its helps me live.
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: Shortknight]
#22385727 - 10/15/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok so i think i got it narrowed down to either the
http://pleasanthillgrain.com/ary-commercial-vacuum-sealer-vp-215-chamber-vac
http://pleasanthillgrain.com/dmc-260pd-commercial-vac-vacuum-sealer-chamber
http://pleasanthillgrain.com/dmc-260-o-commmercial-vac-vacuum-sealer-chamber
the differences from what i can tell is the vacmaster has plastic on the inside around the air sucker thing in the chamber which makes me question if they skimped out elsewhere as well. The DMC's appear to be metal there.
The other difference is the DMC's use a 1/2hp pump instead of a 1/4hp pump, however looking on ebay at pumps ive seen that hp doesn't always mean stronger pumps as ive seen some smaller hp ones have more suckson than bigger ones. But the bigger hp one 'might' last longer and be more reliable?
The DMC comes in alot of versions, some with 2 seal bars to do more smaller bags at the same time, which could come in handy but also $100 more, think i need that or no?
Another thing the DMC's can come with a curved bottom in the chamber, which threw emails ive found that the purpose is so you can seal liquids better, but i also invision it being much hard to line the bag up on the seal that way as it will want to curve in the middle and then might not seal well? Im really torn on the curved bottom idea
The other issue is thats the only website i can find that sells DMC's, according to the website they've done it for awhile, and do carry spare parts for them. But it does make me worry if that will always be the case, having only 1 place for parts could be a major issue.
Vacmaster looks like they have been around for a long time and parts are most likely everywhere, i can't tell which one is cheaper made really besides the 1 plastic part in the chamber on the more expensive model DMC's, they fold back giving easy access to the motor for oil changes which is nice. They have a gas model to which is for soft or delicate items so u can vacuum seal without crushing things, not sure if i need that tho
and i thought i read the DMC had an impulse type seal on it, but now i can't find where i read that so im not sure. looking at the pictures it kinda looks like it does but i dunno. The vacmaster uses 2 straight seals, DMC only has 1 seal but if its impulse that would be alot better right?
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22386808 - 10/16/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so after much research on ebay of people peddling sealers i found a main supplier
http://usa.asc365.com/newproductdetail.asp?productid=151020&typeid=1835
so far thats the cheapest ive found for a rotary pump, only catch is the chamber is also one of the smaller ones, im not sure i will be able to fit roasts in there or not, 3.5" depth the price is really good tho and it comes with letters so i can put names in shit into the seal it makes a really fat seal like an impulse seal i think. pretty sure this is what im gunna end up with. Has a glass top instead of plastic as well, and bag holder thing. just wish it was deeper damit
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Re: First world problem need advice [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22387913 - 10/16/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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dam so i just went full retard and started browsing the chinese manufactors from china 
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-food-vacuum-sealer-vacuum-packing-machine-vacumm-chamber-aluminum-bags-vacuum-sealing-machine-vcuum/32431263244.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.31.HSUziJ&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201527_2_71_72_73_74_75,searchweb201560_4#thf
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-rice-vacuum-sealer-vacuum-packing-machine-vacumm-chamber-tea-vacuum-sealing-machine-rice-tea/421782_32429885798.html
first time i seen one that holds the bag vertical, so many pros and cons to that. I checked into the customs duty thing with one of those online calculators and somehow it says $0 duty owed which was surprising, then again everything is made in china for a reason so i guess it makes sense that there isn't a duty i might have to buy everything direct from china from now on
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