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Edgy/Stimmy acid
    #22367172 - 10/12/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The latest batch of acid I've had has had some rather unpleasant side effects.

I'm not sure if this is simply down to my physiology at the time, or perhaps impurities in the LSD.

Basically, The trip starts off fine, maybe a little bumpy (but this is normal for comeup for me) until probably the peak at which point it feels like my body is being pushed into some kind of dangerous level of stimulation, I feel like I am on edge, hands are a bit twitchy, movement feels jerky and restricted, hands feel possibly a bit not quite numb but just, strange, almost like numb.
Very cold and sweaty palms, and I feel I cannot relax at all, feels as though I can't feel my physical body in the way I normally do and this scares me so I panic a little.

Trying to lay down and meditate, and I can't ignore these physical symptoms, and it is maybe a little difficult to catch my breath, always feel like I'm in the upper portion of my 'breath' if that makes sense.

The LSD is blotter, tasteless, and exactly like LSD in duration and all other effects, apart from these anxiogenic effects.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #22367680 - 10/12/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lsd has a wide variety of effects/side effects. Does it happen every time from this sheet? Lsd can be uncomfortably stimulating for me sometimes. Not every time though.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Trypto-Fan] * 1
    #22367717 - 10/12/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's all in your mind. Impurities that might be present don't effect the trip. This has been shown in scientific studies back in the 50's I think.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22367962 - 10/12/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, even clean LSD can be electrifying at decent doses, maybe this stuff is just lain heavier than you're used to?  Or is it feeling heavier at lower doses?  Might just be in your head or more to do with some kind of underlying psychological baggage that you're bringing to the trip.  Pyschedelics can give you all sorts of weird uncomfortable sensations, the funniest was when my wife kept complaining that she could "feel her teeth," like she was hyper aware of the presence of these weird things implanted in her skull.  :lol: 

Don't focus and preoccupy yourself with this nonsense, smoke a bowl or pop a benzo if you're feeling weird or just lay down, meditate and listen to some good tunes.  The more thought you give some minute aspect of tripping, the more you feed some negative idea, the more power you give it and the worse it will effect you.  Just ignore it or passively accept it and let it pass over and through you and it won't be an issue.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22368073 - 10/12/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like LSD to me :thumbup:

But if you're worried about it, get a test kit and check 'em out.. then you don't have to let your worry affect your trip


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #22368099 - 10/12/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, LSD typically has a stimulating quality to it always, like really WIRED.

The effects vary so much for LSD. Its a strange chemical.

Although, i do believe some kind of impurities might be the cause as LSD is made illegally, and who knows what kind of quality control they really conduct.

But its an old debate if its "dirty Acid" or just the Acid itself causing these unpleasant side effects.

I would recommend taking the same LSD (after a week or more tolerance break), at a totally different time of day.

Might do the trick :thumbup:


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22368170 - 10/12/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There are different grades of LSD usually denoted by color of crystal... white would be really pure, then silver is still really good, amber not so great, etc...

The more pure the crystal the less bodyload it is suppose to give you, and its also supposed to be less headfucky/more clearheaded

Theoretically more impurities would lead to a heavier body load, which is unpleasant effects felt in the body... but generally isn't thought to be much of an issue until reaching higher doses.

In any case, LSD does give stimulant effects and if you don't get any stimulation then its prob not actually LSD :justdontknow:


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: pixelpopper]
    #22369406 - 10/12/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I recently tried LSD (1P) for the first time. I was overwhelmed by the physical stimulation, I really wasn't expecting that. It wasn't an uneasiness though. It was pure energy. Music seemed to feed it, too. It was bliss.

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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: pixelpopper] * 2
    #22369480 - 10/12/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Impurities have absolutely no effect on the experience other than potency. LSD has a wide range of side effects, and the experience of these side effects varies even within the same individual, and with the same batch. There are many factors involved.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22369511 - 10/12/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you Dark Star. I was about to post that.

By the way, you posted a source in a similar thread to a book about LSD experiments. Do you recall what that book was? I would like to read it. I am reading Grof's book, "Doorway to the numinous" right now. Thanks.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: 4HO-DMT] * 1
    #22370029 - 10/12/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agree with everything you said Dark_Star, aside from never knowing how impurities really affect the experience.

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I am reading Grof's book, "Doorway to the numinous" right now.





Grof is really the most interesting guy around right now on these topics, imo


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: pixelpopper]
    #22370991 - 10/12/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LSD makes me super energetic usually.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22371524 - 10/13/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Although, i do believe some kind of impurities might be the cause as LSD is made illegally, and who knows what kind of quality control they really conduct.

But its an old debate if its "dirty Acid" or just the Acid itself causing these unpleasant side effects.






I have been asking this same question for years and no one can answer. Which impurity is active at the microgram level? And since its an impurity and its not the whole hit, active at say the 10 microgram level.
How about this just name me a print that's dirty. How come there is no agreement on here that a print is dirty? There are hundreds of people here why no consensus? Ever? It's never happened, there has never been an agreement by everyone a print is dirty. Trust me I will take it and have a great trip.



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There are different grades of LSD usually denoted by color of crystal... white would be really pure, then silver is still really good, amber not so great, etc...

The more pure the crystal the less bodyload it is suppose to give you, and its also supposed to be less headfucky/more clearheaded

Theoretically more impurities would lead to a heavier body load, which is unpleasant effects felt in the body... but generally isn't thought to be much of an issue until reaching higher doses.
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It's funny how LSD gets this weird pass from any common sense. If I said one color of MDMA powder was a more pure form of it than another I would be laughed it. But it's LSD so lets throw common sense out the window. The color of drugs is in no way any indication of potency, this goes for all drugs.
The idea impurities cause bodyload is wrong. You are wrong. There is only LSD, no heady LSD or speedy LSD. Just LSD.
I know I am right because I have done blind testing, lots of it. None of you dirty acid or colored crystal believers seem to. Don't take my word for it, go test it blind and pick out the dirty LSD.


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22371750 - 10/13/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never thought the color scheme was necessarily accurate, but just how its referenced. That's why I threw in "Theoretically" when speaking about the purity level's effects. Just saying this is what those who I've consistently gotten legit LSD from seem to either believe or be selling up.. thanks for the perspective though :thumbup:


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: pixelpopper]
    #22372415 - 10/13/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics are unpredictable and can have some pretty weird effects. The same batch can be different every trip.  Bodyload, IME is a mix of weird sensory hallucinations, discomfort from messing with the serotonin in your GI tract and a magnification of any slight discomforts, aches and pains that you may have been unconscious of before dosing, you suddenly become hyper-aware of every facet of your body.  Plus, pure LSD has some negative side effects that effect different people in varying degrees and even the same person differently from trip to trip.     

That said I've seen some people coming up with actual names of active the bioactive precursors that show up as impurities of LSD in other threads, can't vouch for the accuracy of the info but some people are saying it's true, and if LSD is active in the microgram why wouldn't some of its precursors have a small effects in trace amounts?  Doesn't seem completely implausible to me. 

Dirty MDMA has extra carcinogens if it's saffrole based and has residual saffrole, that's a fact.  Impurities in heroin can have disastrous or fatal effects.  Not that I buy the whole champagne/fluff color controversy, but saying that differing levels of purity of drugs don't exist or that the impurities don't effect us is just ignant.  Otherwise, why the fuck would anyone ever bother with re-crystallization when they do extractions?

Bottom line is, I'm sure if you took the jankiest dirty street acid from some dipshit wannabee's garage lab in the 60s and put it next to pharamceutical, pure Sandoz LSD you'd notice a huge difference.  But nowadays, there's only a few labs in the world making the stuff and they're all pretty fucking good.  As long as you get real LSD and not some RC these days, chances are your LSD is going to be nice and clean.  So yeah, with all the top tier shit going around these days, blind taste tests are going to tell you that it's all about the same, but that doesn't mean that in the wild west days of the 60s there wasn't some nasty, dirty acid floating around.  :shrug:


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22372694 - 10/13/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and if LSD is active in the microgram why wouldn't some of its precursors have a small effects in trace amounts?  Doesn't seem completely implausible to me. 

Dirty MDMA has extra carcinogens if it's saffrole based and has residual saffrole, that's a fact.  Impurities in heroin can have disastrous or fatal effects.  Not that I buy the whole champagne/fluff color controversy, but saying that differing levels of purity of drugs don't exist or that the impurities don't effect us is just ignant.  Otherwise, why the fuck would anyone ever bother with re-crystallization when they do extractions?





Yeah, pretty much sums up why i thought there could be some truth in the purity thing.

If LSD is active in mics why say nothing else can be? And like i said its usually not thought to be much of a factor until reaching high doses, often said to be as high as 1 mg which would mean we aren't talking about 10micrograms of impurities but a whole dose's worth.

Impurities are observable in all kinds of extractions and always affect the quality, why is lsd so diffrent?

In regards to "bad prints" and identifying them, are you talking about blotter art or is prints a term im not familiar with? Because literally anyone can order clean blotter papers of the popular prints and do whatever they want with them... no way to identify LSD based on the paper. If this was a possibility then all the nbom blotters and whatnot would be universally known, which are bad tabs

Plus the people i've known who deal with actual crystal seem to believe its true, as they have their own personal supply of what they consider higher grade... maybe its just drug dealer marketing, but they seem convinced and have way more exposure than i do


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: P.Zappatecorum] * 1
    #22374335 - 10/13/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thing is people did compare Sandoz to street L, and no one could tell the difference.

4HO-DMT, the book is called LSD: Spirituality & the Creative Process. It details the studies done by Dr. Oscar Janiger


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22375643 - 10/13/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but was it dirty street acid.  Maybe all the stories are just about people that got burned with some bunk RC or just had normal sideeffects from strong acid and freaked out.  I've heard that the "brown acid" of woodstock was just really strong, clean good acid and fucking noobs were doing stupid shit like popping 4 geltabs because it was taking too long to kick in then they were hit with like 1000mcgs of clean ass LSD. 

Maybe an experienced person's clean, strong acid is a noob's "bad acid" and that's why there's so much bullshit going around.  I don't know, I don't discount that you might get something bad, but I've only had two kinds of acid, weak and strong.  My strong acid was clean, but yeah, it certainly has more body load than a tab that's 50mcgs, just like taking 5g of mushrooms is going to have more body load than 1g.  :lol:


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22377218 - 10/14/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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4HO-DMT, the book is called LSD: Spirituality & the Creative Process. It details the studies done by Dr. Oscar Janiger




Looking at this book and sounds like a solid read, definitely will be buying a copy soon. Been picking up several books in this realm recently, do you happen to have any similar recommendations Dark_Star?


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: pixelpopper]
    #22377407 - 10/14/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How often have you been dosing? I noticed that I would have more physical symptoms like you described when I tried to trip weekly. Got worse each week even from the same batch. But acid can make one nervous about impurities and manifest itself as anxiety and your symptoms too. So make sure you trust your source. Fuck the street, DN only for that


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Re: Edgy/Stimmy acid [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22378492 - 10/14/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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4HO-DMT, the book is called LSD: Spirituality & the Creative Process. It details the studies done by Dr. Oscar Janiger




Thank you DS! I want to read this. :thumbup:


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